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10/04/17 08:11 PM #1969    

 

Mary Ann Nolan (Thomas)

Mary Clare , there are so many more  people that we graduated with than 20 individuals you referenced..  I would like to hear more from them.

 

 


10/04/17 09:57 PM #1970    

Lawrence Foster

I am one of those classmates that don't speak up very often here.  And when I do, it is neutral, or at least I hope it is.  But let me say to all of you who are speaking up - I LOVE IT!!!!   Keep it going please.  Whether it be under this tab or under another one, either is fine with me.   

My low participation is more an expression of my confidence, or lack of it, to communicate clearly especially when ideas are highly emotional, or controversial, or like the Las Vegas shooting, just frightening.  

I am impressed by how well you all express yourselves.  Please keep it up.  And please be patient with "lurkers" like me.

 

 


10/04/17 10:50 PM #1971    

Joseph Gentilini

Okay, I know I'm a little late in this game of reading everyone's comments and discussion.  I am glad that we have this option and interest - a wonderful way of keeping in touch.  However, saying this, I aplogize that I have not kept up.  There are two women in our class that must be in some need of cards, love, prayers, etc., but I don't know who they are or what the issue is.  Can someone give me some answer and if and where and when I should send cards, etc.  Also, how is Tom Litzinger (?) doing?  Joe


10/04/17 11:32 PM #1972    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Alright already! I will go along with discussing controversial - yes even political - topics on this Forum or the User Forum. Clare has a good point regarding ease of access so if you all want to use the Message Forum that is fine with me. I just don't want it to get bitter or mean or demeaning. Yes, we are all (older) adults but as we see daily in the media adults can get very hostile and bitter about such topics.

Our class has liberals, conservatives, progressives, moderates, libertarians, believers, non-belivers and just about every other label that is out there. My guess is that depending on the issue we may fit different labels. That is why I personally do not like labels that try to encompass all of someones views.

That being said, I consider myself a conservative. Not alt-right, ultra-right, racist, multi-phobic, hateful, supremist or any of the other terms that have been used by some we see and read in the media to describe conservatives. I affiliate with the Republican party but am disappoined in the leadership of the House and Senate. I once voted for Democratic Sen. Gary Hart because he was pro-military and helped get funding for our new (in 1980) hospital at Ft. Carson. Colorado Springs is a military town in the most consevative county in the state. I am against the legalization of recreational marijuana. It has had a very negative impact on our state and the only thing that seems to be discussed is what a great amount of taxes it has generated. Medical MJ is still in need of much more research - not just testamonials - but to date the good research has not been very positive as far as benefits compared to more conventional therapy. I do not see any evidence that stricter gun control will render us safer. In fact, Chicago and Europe should lead us to the opposite conclusion. I think current weapons laws should be enforced. Bad guys will always find a way to kill and harm people. Guns, knives, machetes, acid, fertilizer, pressure cookers, cars, trucks - you name it. I strongly oppose abortion and physician-assited suicide. I do not agree with the death penalty. We need to control our borders. Sharia law should never be allowed in our country. Single payer health care means government control and I hope that never happens in America. Govenment cannot - and should not - be responsible for solving all problems. I do not like the U.N. We should not try to be like the rest of the world. Let them be them and us be us but we need to stand aganst tyrany, terrorism and oppressive dictatorships. We need to honor NATO and treaties with our allies and them with us. We should not make deals with those who hate us and want to obliterate us and our way of life. I think that man has some, but limited influence on climate change. All forms of energy need to be utilized, especially nuclear.

O.K., that's it - for now. As we get into contoversial areas you all know where I stand on some issues. I will respect your views even though I may not totally agree with them and I trust you will respect mine, as I know you will.

And, if anyone wants to start a forum on photography, count me in or send me (privately) your email as I have had something similar going on for the past 8 years. A few of you are already on my list.

Time to go watch Hannity on Fox...

Jim

 

 

 


10/05/17 01:18 AM #1973    

 

Janie Albright (Blank)

Jim, I applaud your bravery! I just wrote an entire post with some links and somehow it erased itself! That’s what I get for writing it on my iPhone.  Too tired to reproduce it now. Will try to be more coherent tomorrow. 

I will leave you with a little Tom Petty...  It was a beautiful day, the sun beat down/I had the radio on, I was drivin’/Trees flew by/ Me and Del were singin’ little Runaway/I was flyin’” – “Runnin’ Down a Dream” from Full Moon Fever 

 


10/05/17 11:04 AM #1974    

 

Frank Ganley

Dr Jim as I once wrote to Mary Margaret in my support of marijuana legalization. I don't want to argue the pros and cons on pot as some doctors oppose it in studies yet when watching any tv show soon a commercial comes on touting some drug that will cure this or that. But please talk to to doctor if you have bla bla and if these side effects such as severe diarrhea, headaches and in severe cases death. And these are legal.so what are the side effects of pot. You are in complete control of your surroundings , you aren't drunk, you have no urge to engage in a fight, yoh sometimes are overwhelmed with unstoppable hunger( the munchies) but for me it is pain relief. I can not tell you how it works but I now take no opiates for pain, I take no drugs for pain other than pot. After 1 spinal fusion but 2 trim ups to ease pain,no lateral tassel tunnel release, a little trim up on my knees, a foot fusion, and a new hip plus the arthritis that remains my relief comes in a little puff. All my structural melodies were and are caused by a career as a PGA golf professional. I can tell you the difference with a puff is pure relief. Booze is far worse a drug than any other but it's legal. We tried to ban that and see what happened there. If against pot fine, if for fine but regardless how you feel please don't hold it against anyone. Tim you be sample was great .

10/05/17 01:49 PM #1975    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

Frank, Tim, and Dave, let's please stop for a minute and resolve a major question. We (the U.S.) has been through a number of Hurricanes in Texas, Florida, and Puerto Rico.  We have had fires throughout the Western states including California, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington. The question. On October 19th I am going to be driving North to Portland, Oregon.  So Tim, do I have to REALLY worry about the possibility of either a Tsunami or an Earthquake?????

A response to an earlier question on this forum.  I will be trraveling through the STATE of JEFFERSON; the area of Northern California that starts around Corning, CA and runs to the Oregon border.  And yes there are posted signs (on private property) alongside the road.  Yes within the past couple of years there was a ballot initiative seeking voter approval (led by residents of the State of Jefferson) to split California into about six separate states.  I believe it was Mark who spearheaded the citizens of "I Want The North's Water" who voted it down, for now.  But that's another story.

Finally, has anyone visited the Greenville, Ohio museum.  It has a wing dedicated to Annie Oakley who was born and raised in a small nearby town.  She and Frank Butler are buried just North of Greenville.  It also has a wing dedicated to Lowell Thomas, adventurer and columnist.

 


10/05/17 01:50 PM #1976    

 

Michael McLeod

Nice to see people talking about controversial issues without being rude. Which, as you may have noticed, is a rarity on the Internet, where people are free to take pot shots with impunity.

We're raised as Catholics. We have punity out the wazoo.

Actually what I mean to say is: I like seeing us discuss controversial matter. Since the reunion I have been waiting to see if that would happen here, and hoping, if it did, it would happen in a respectful way. Which seems to be the case. So I'd be one to say: No, I don't like the idea of conversational subgroups, or whatever. We ARE a subgroup. One I'm happy to be a part of.

 


10/05/17 02:50 PM #1977    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Frank,

And some say that golf is a non-contact sport! You would have been safer playing football with Jack Tatum!

The commercials on TV are a mixture of both bona fide medications and quackery. A number of years ago pharmaceutical companies were given the legal right to advertise their medications to the general public on television. As part of that they have to mention many of the side effects of those drugs. If over the counter (OTC) meds such as aspirin and tylenol were required to do the same, people would be amazed at the dangers of those products. Fortunately, all these side effects are relatively rare but some are serious and even fatal. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MEDICATION OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE PUT INTO OUR BODIES, LEGAL OR NOT, THAT DOES NOT HAVE ADVERSE REACTIONS (SIDE EFFECTS) IN SOME PEOPLE. I spent my career managing many patients on acute, chronic and multiple medicines for their conditions and was very aware to watch for both side effects and drug-drug interactions. I would tell them what the severe or dangerous ones would be but one could not iterate the entire laundry list in the PDR (Physicians' Desk Reference). In these modern times, patients just look them up on the internet and then ask their physicians if they are aware of these things (I usually was).

Cannabinoid products are highly lipophilic (fat soluble) substances. The brain is essentially a fatty (lipid) organ. Therefore, marijuana is mainly deposited in the brain. The problem is that it has such a high binding to these lipids that it is very slowly released and stays in the system for several weeks. Because of this the adverse reactions to MJ mostly involve functions of the brain. These include attention deficits, cognition and short term memory impairment, panic attacks, psychosis, blood pressure regulatory problems, central induced nausea, decreased reaction time, increased heart and respiratory rates and several others. Some studies have shown that on certain brain testing the patient is not aware that those deficits are present. Non-brain effects of MJ include heart attacks in younger people and bronchospasm (asthma like symptoms). The central nervous system side effects are much more common in adolecents due to the fact that their brains are still developing, especially in regards to higher funtions which are not completed until around the age of 25.

The pain relief achieved by some who use MJ is most likely a central effect, dulling the brain's peception of the painful sites in the body. I am glad that your pain has responded to it. Not everbody does. Your case is a good example of what I mentioned before as a testamonial. The way that is most accepted by doctors and scientists to validate whether a product is efficacious is by trials, the best of which are double blind, placebo controlled studies in large numbers of patients. Double blind means that neither the patient nor the researchers know if the patient is receiving the real drug or the placebo.

We still need many more of these studies on MJ and its individual compoenents. So far, few controlled trials show any significant benefits in non-cancer induced chronic pain over traditional medications. Results for pain and spasm in multiple sclerosis patients have shown no benefit.

There have been many efficacious medicines derived from plants over many centuries, some still in use today. Digitalis (foxglove plant), aspirin (bark of the aspen tree), cephalosporin antibiotics (a sewer fungus) and penicillin (a type of bread mold) are but a few examples. Marijuana - cannabis - is a plant that has about 400 plus chemicals in it. The main psychoactive component is THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) but that is not perhaps the most likely one that would have medical uses. One of the problems with research is that MJ is still illegal by the federal government although "legal" in some states, recreational or medical. That makes licensing to conduct studies difficult.

As for recreational use, I am opposed. It is too easy to fall into the hands of those with developing brains, has greatly increased fatal car accidents (I know, alcohol is also a problem but remember, pot stays in the brain for weeks, not hours), has not decreased the criminal distribution of the substance as was hoped (in fact, in Colorado it is increased) and the long term effects are still unknown.

I do not hold against anyone their views on this issue. As with so many things our ideas come from our life experiences, as well as what we have seen and read on any given issue. My views on this topic are based on my profession and what I have seen happen in our state. I do not try to force my viewpoints on others but I do like to provide information that I have to them. That is what doctors do in the practice of medicine. If somebody's cholesterol is 400 I would reccomend a statin drug to help decrease their chance of cardiovascular problems. I do not open their mouths and force it down their throats. If they refused - and some did - I did not stop caring for them.

Watch out for those feral hogs. Maybe give them some MJ and they will calm down!

Jim

 

 


10/05/17 04:15 PM #1978    

 

Deborah Alexander (Rogers)

I agree with Clare, Tim, Dave, Larry, and the others who want to keep our conversations all in one place.  We can handle it if the discussion becomes heated.  Heck, I'm half Lebanese and I promise not to blow up anyone's car if I don't agree with them! I think by now, through this forum, we are all friends, and can agree to disagree.  In the meantime, maybe we are learning something from one another.  Thanks, guys, and keep it coming!!


10/05/17 05:40 PM #1979    

Timothy Lavelle

Wow! What a great response.

Debbie A: You really surprised me but I am a supporter of the Lebanese Bi Gay Trans culture and support your right to love whoever you want. You GO girl!!! "Half Lebanese" must make for some interesting first conversations in those heavy leather bars..... 

Jack Maxwell: succinct, pithy....apt. "This remark will cut...". Atta boy, boy.

Jim: I have such big respect for you. Truly. After you stated all the things you are or believe in, I wanted to write and say "Now, didn't that feel great"?....but Jim, maybe you never felt you had to hide any aspect of being conservative. Try to imagine you had different opinions...didn't agree with some of the historically accepted views here in 'Murica. You would be surprised how "uninvited" or "shunted aside" you might feel. We are more inundated with "We want it the way it used to be" than ever, it feels. Example: What I mean is, way back when, as Hippies, we felt like a endangered species when we went to the Ohio State Fair and stumbled into the Vetrans of Foreign Wars tent to see T-shirts for sale that had a peace symbol and the logo "The foot print of the American Chicken". We were actual vets of a foreign police action but we felt frightened of these old farts and their insulting views. I am not saying you are one of those at all. I am saying that it is much easier to go along with what has always been "the way" rather than going looking or considering a new way. Sometimes just bringing up a different view for discussion gets us labeled with demeaning nicknames. Alcohol/Drugs: Frank G made some good points although I had to smoke a joint to understand all of his post. I want a T-shirt that says "Tim, you be sample" cause I just don't know what the hell that means at all but I love it. Children: I believe that nothing is easier for a child to find than the parent's liquor closet and once found, I opine that playing with alcohol as a child can be far more damaging than an equal amount of hitting Daddy's bong. Liquor is EVERYWHERE. I don't want kids smoking. I would be happy if adult life never called for a chemically induced mental change of scenery but it is the banality or severity of life...common to lots of folks...that bring about our desire to have a shot or a toke and change our view. And hey, how can drug studies be done while the drug (MJ) is held ramsom by those same old farts in federal gov't (diff farts, same gov't) that rate MJ on a par with heroine. You listening to Hannity reminds me of driving east from Arizona a hundred years ago with Jim Zuber and a trunk full of d-grade Mexican reefer. Chemically, Jim and I were fully and completely illegal in the middle of the night on a dark road when the John Birch Society came on the air. Stoned, thinking our private thoughts in a dark car with only the radio dial glowing. We were simply mesmerized by the far...yeah, waaayy oover here...keep going...faaaaaar right views and paranoia they poured out. What a hoot. We argued with the radio for hours. Laughed, my god we laughed. Jim Zuber was/is a great guy.

Jim: I always thought "double blind" meant the second day in a row that you drank tequila??!

I think we should call Marijuana by a different name in this forum. I think we should call it Mary Margaret. After all, everybody loves Mary Margaret...and I want to win this discussion.

Dave: I already called dibs on stamp collecting. Read the post dude - I own it! But I can't believe I didn't think of the good stuff you came up with. I call dibs on PNW and Seahawks.

Clare: I have never been anyone's hero but I am fabulously happy to be yours.  Hope your knee is up to the tennis court very soon. Maybe we can compare canes some time.

Joe M: No tsunami or earthquake. Bring money. I know the best BBQ place in PDX. "Podnah's" out on Killingsworth is great and has a wide variety of beers.

I would like to say thanks to Larry and Mike M and others who have said "we can take it" and acknowledged that discussion does not always have to mean agreement. Lastly, for people I have pised off here...I have had an e-mail from one of the biggest strongest menbers of our class who said he agrees with me...so if you don't want this secret person showing up at your house some dark night you better agree with me more!

Great....now shall we unleash on Trumpy???? Just foolin'...too easy a target.

OK. OK...I'll stop for awhile. Love to every one of you. Mark, Dave Dunn, Al Judy, Al Standich, Dave Frederick, Bob Berkemer, Linda.....sound off. Bobby C,,,Keith G...c'mon for cryin' out loud.

 

 


10/05/17 06:58 PM #1980    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Tim,

"Hippies felt like an endangered species..."

I'm sure you must have felt that way walking into a VFW tent.

Back in the late '60's and early 70's I was not all that political. I was just trying to get through college, med school, internship and residency. Not much time for anything else. I was in ROTC as a freshman in college and was scorned by some for wearing a uniform, but nothing like those who returned from Viet Nam. I dropped ROTC when I switched to pre-med as doctors would be in a separate draft upon graduation from med school. The draft was called off a couple of months before I graduated so I never ended up in the military.

Today, the tables seem reversed. Conservatives are being shunned and even physically attacked on campuses and elsewhere around the country. We are told that we are out of line with America.

Just like all liberals are not extremists, neither are conservatives. It is interesting how history repeats itself.

10/05/17 08:33 PM #1981    

 

David Mitchell

TIME OUT !

 

(I'M OUT OF BREATH)


10/05/17 08:41 PM #1982    

 

Frank Ganley

Tim, I agree with most of your argument. Feral hogs are a menace in Florida. With all of our neighborhoods all devided by "green areas, mainly scrub palms and thickets, which leaves plenty of these boars to roam and breed at will. They were left here to run wild and breed so explorers always had food available. Since then they have become very irritable over the years. They are so bad there is no season on them. Millions. They must be culled. I don't hunt deer ,though I love venison no rabbits very tasty , I'd rather go to t the supermarket to eat. Mainly my use of firearms is target practice. I am a boy scout, as if a marine always a marine, I am always prepared.
As I stated before you can not recall the guns but you can control the bullets. Ah then you say how about those that make their own,no hard to include materials such as the projectilethe casing primers etc. But those that do that are those that compete and use tins of ammo. I truly believe that if the country once again embraces God welcomes God back into our daily life and forget about politically correct we will return to a peaceful God loving country again

10/05/17 08:59 PM #1983    

 

David Mitchell

Isn't anybody watching football?


10/05/17 09:23 PM #1984    

 

Fred Clem

Only watching college games, no NFL. 


10/05/17 10:25 PM #1985    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

I interrupt my watching of the ALDS of the Yankees and Indians game to step into the foray of political commentary, but only to share an opinion piece that was in the Washington Post two days ago. The opinion expressed by the author in the article seems to reflect my own personal thoughts that "we save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves" 

And now, back to the business of wondering how the Yankees are down by 4 runs off of only 5 hits and how the Indians got Aaron Judge to strike out 4X!!!!

By Leah Libresco October 3

 

Leah Libresco is a statistician and former newswriter at FiveThirtyEight, a data journalism site. She is the author of “Arriving at Amen.”

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.

When I looked at the other oft-praised policies, I found out that no gun owner walks into the store to buy an “assault weapon.” It’s an invented classification that includes any semi-automatic that has two or more features, such as a bayonet mount, a rocket-propelled grenade-launcher mount, a folding stock or a pistol grip. But guns are modular, and any hobbyist can easily add these features at home, just as if they were snapping together Legos.

As for silencers — they deserve that name only in movies, where they reduce gunfire to a soft puick puick. In real life, silencers limit hearing damage for shooters but don’t make gunfire dangerously quiet. An AR-15 with a silencer is about as loud as a jackhammer. Magazine limits were a little more promising, but a practiced shooter could still change magazines so fast as to make the limit meaningless.

As my co-workers and I kept looking at the data, it seemed less and less clear that one broad gun-control restriction could make a big difference. Two-thirds of gun deaths in the United States every year are suicides. Almost no proposed restriction would make it meaningfully harder for people with guns on hand to use them. I couldn't even answer my most desperate question: If I had a friend who had guns in his home and a history of suicide attempts, was there anything I could do that would help?

However, the next-largest set of gun deaths — 1 in 5 — were young men aged 15 to 34, killed in homicides. These men were most likely to die at the hands of other young men, often related to gang loyalties or other street violence. And the last notable group of similar deaths was the 1,700 women murdered per year, usually as the result of domestic violence. Far more people were killed in these ways than in mass-shooting incidents, but few of the popularly floated policies were tailored to serve them.

By the time we published our project, I didn’t believe in many of the interventions I’d heard politicians tout. I was still anti-gun, at least from the point of view of most gun owners, and I don’t want a gun in my home, as I think the risk outweighs the benefits. But I can’t endorse policies whose only selling point is that gun owners hate them. Policies that often seem as if they were drafted by people who have encountered guns only as a figure in a briefing book or an image on the news.

Instead, I found the most hope in more narrowly tailored interventions. Potential suicide victims, women menaced by their abusive partners and kids swept up in street vendettas are all in danger from guns, but they each require different protections.

Older men, who make up the largest share of gun suicides, need better access to people who could care for them and get them help. Women endangered by specific men need to be prioritized by police, who can enforce restraining orders prohibiting these men from buying and owning guns. Younger men at risk of violence need to be identified before they take a life or lose theirs and to be connected to mentors who can help them de-escalate conflicts.

 

Even the most data-driven practices, such as New Orleans’ plan to identify gang members for intervention based on previous arrests and weapons eizures, wind up more personal than most policies floated. The young men at risk can be identified by an algorithm, but they have to be disarmed one by one, personally — not en masse as though they were all interchangeable. A reduction in gun deaths is most likely to come from finding smaller chances for victories and expanding those solutions as much as possible. We save lives by focusing on a range of tactics to protect the different kinds of potential victims and reforming potential killers, not from sweeping bans focused on the guns themselves.


10/06/17 12:55 AM #1986    

 

David Mitchell

Gosh it had been a peacefull night here. I was going to stay out of this, but just before you posted this article from the Washing Post, I had found and read the article. What a shock! I cannot let this lady's utter nonsense pass without comment. I urge you to read it for yourselves and explain where I must be missing something.

I am simply dumbfounded by the glaring absurdities and misleading and inaccurate suppositions she makes! She must have been paid a lot of money to write this. I question her research, I question her facts. I question her suppositions. I question her conclusions. I question her intelligence. I question her honesty!

This part really slays me. Does she imagine we cannot even read facts?

"No correlation between England and the US  - who does she think she is kidding???  

"I researched the strictly tightened gun laws in Britain and Australia and concluded that they didn’t prove much about what America’s policy should be. Neither nation experienced drops in mass shootings or other gun related-crime that could be attributed to their buybacks and bans. Mass shootings were too rare in Australia for their absence after the buyback program to be clear evidence of progress. And in both Australia and Britain, the gun restrictions had an ambiguous effect on other gun-related crimes or deaths."

Is this "author" nuts?  Can she not read satistics?  Ambiguous effect?

In the year beginning in March 2016 the U.S. had 11,004 murders by firearms. England had 26 - "twenty six"! (okay, adjusted for total population diffenece it would be the equivalent of 130). Guess what? Hardly anybody in England owns a gun. Numbers for Australia are also quite low. 

Ambiguous effect?  Hello! There already were so few guns that "buy back"programs would have shown negligeable results anyway. What was she thinking?

And for all her research, she comes up with some completely absurd (and nearly impossible) solutions. "Identify the potential victims before,,,, duh!   But of course! I say we identify the potential victims and stop all crimes before they happen. And all violence. And all accidents. And all tooth decay. 

The gun control argument is not asking the undoable - the unconstitutional - ban all firearms. We understand the man in a dangrous neighborhood keeps a pistol in the bedroom or the kitchen. We understand the Montana cattle rancher needs to keep the wolves away from his livestock. I understand my wonderful, slighly left-of-center, dear old friend John Jackson works with one of those liberal tree-hugging "open space" committees and they need to control the local deer population, and so he therefore suports the local hunting club's rights and their efforts to shoot them. I understand the farmer in Nebraska wants to teach his kids to hunt, and my friends in Denver (father and sons ) like to go to the firing range and shoot skeet on a Saturday morning. I could go on but I think you get my drift (Hell, we even know a half-crazed, retired, liberal, "invalid" in the great PNW who needs to control the moles in his yard).

We are simply asking for some common sense controls of some of the most quesionable practices - practices that would infringe on absoutely no law abiding citizens rights - at all!  We know there is no all-or-nothing solution. We know there is no one single "cure". I myself, a moderately conservative, semi-evangelical, patriotic, combat veteran (and part-time raving dipsomaniac) am most assuradly not part of some lunatic left who just wants to "come take your guns."  

 Why is that so hard to grasp? 

*Added later - Why is this so hard for US ON THE RIGHT to grasp?

 

p.s. I venture a guess that many of you actually don't even understand the full implications of some of the technical features of weapons that are being discussed - "single shot", vs, "semi-automatic", Vs. "automatic", etc. Stuff that the framers of our Constitution never dreamed of.

Just the whole concept of larger ammo clips is a major topic unto itself. Someone would have been able to bring down the shooter in the parking lot when that lady Congresswoman (Gabby?) was shot by that kid if he hadn't had large clips. Large clips allow the shooter to go on shooting longer without having to stop and re-load.

"but a practiced shooter could still change magazines so fast as to make the limit meaningless."

Meaningless? She's obviously never handled a clip-fed gun before. One or two seconds can be a lifetime!

Gabby Gifford's shooter shot 17 and 6 died. Several armed guys hiding nearby could not get the break they needed for just a second and a half to get up, draw a bead, and take the guy down. So that would have only saved half of them one may argue. Correct. That would be the "all-or-none" point of view. I will never accept the idea that limiting clip sizes would infringe on anybody's rights - AT ALL!  Only a partial solution you say? I'll take it for starters.

And don't even get me started on "Gun Shows".

Silly me. I thought I was going to watch football tonight. 


10/06/17 09:01 AM #1987    

 

David Mitchell

Meanwhile Donna,

Things are looking dicey in Catalan. How are you doing? Hope you and your arriving guest will be okay (safe).


10/06/17 10:16 AM #1988    

 

Jeanine Eilers (Decker)

Thanks, Dave, for your analysis of that article.  Thought maybe my old age had made me unable to understand what she was saying.  Good to know it wasn't my comprehension but hers.


10/06/17 11:53 AM #1989    

 

Donna Kelley (Velazquez)

Dave-Tension and fear are high in Catalunya and around Spain. No one knows what will happen on Monday(now changed to Tuesday) when Catalan Pres. Puigdemont declares independence unilaterally from Spain. I only know that nothing good can come from it. 

The strange bedfellow coalition which comprises the Catalan government has had no qualms staging an illegal referendum which in turn has led us to a no-way-out situation of division and unrest. On the other hand the central Government which has the law on its side has been totally tone deaf for years to any dialogue about the Catalan situation. They exacerberated an already difficult scenario by sending 10.000 police to Catalunya last week and have now deployed the military with the pretext of protecting the police.  All in the name of Democracy! 

Jeanine and Lance got out of town just as the police were arriving last week :-).  Beth's trip has been fortunately postponed until things calm down. Here's hoping that will be soon but I have serious doubts.

 

 


10/06/17 01:12 PM #1990    

 

Donna Kelley (Velazquez)

On a much more positive note I just received this article from a friend here.

  https://venturebeat.com/2017/10/05/yelp-analysis-dubs-columbus-ohio-the-nations-hottest-hipster-market-and-our-minds-are-blown/

 

 

 


10/06/17 01:46 PM #1991    

 

Michael McLeod

What strikes me as a very odd stance on the gun issue is the either-or position: "Let's not regulate guns - let's just find other ways to try and end the gun-violence epidemic."

Why not, pray tell, do both?

Why not at least take steps to minimize the damage a madman can do while we are wondering what produces that madman?

And frankly, the former is a hell of a lot easier than the latter.

 


10/06/17 02:30 PM #1992    

 

David Mitchell

Dammit Mike,

You're making too much sense. When we cling only to the "philosophies" and "ideaologies", we can't seem to avoid impasse. But when we drill down into the details, things often present themselves in a different light, and could give rise to compromise. Maybe just little compromisess here and there on this or that point.

Compromise - you remember that term. It's some crazy notion that a bunch of guys name Adams, Jefferson, Monroe, Franklin, et al, finally came to after arguing for days in a blistering hot weekend back in the day. Nobody got everything they wanted - but every single one of us benefitted.

(Maybe we should all lock ourselves up in an un-airconditioned building, on a hot weekend, with layers of tight collared clothing? - and no computers, just quill pens. Well, maybe a coke machine out in the hall.)

 

p.s. Tim, I did read your post earlier, but by all the powers in me, I will never concede "stamp collecting" to you. You will have to pry my 1898  5-cent "Fremont on the Rockies" stamp from my cold dead hands! 


10/06/17 02:36 PM #1993    

 

David Mitchell

Donna,

Thanks for the update. Releived to hear about both your house guests. Hoping for some "compromise" in Catalan. Ironically, another example of our discussion here.

 

Anybody recall the words to the song "Where Have All the Flowers Gone" there is a line repeated twice, (by Pee Seger, Kingston Trio, Peter Paul and Mary, and so many other versions

"When will we ever learn? When will we eeee-ver learn?"


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