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08/20/26 04:13 PM #17435    

 

Michael McLeod

I gotta say Kevin Cull looks badass in that photo.

not as badass as me, but still.


08/21/26 10:02 AM #17436    

 

Michael Boulware

Bill, We have been following the news about Carmel. Those folks are fortunate to have a great person like you to offer support and prayer. Keep us updated.


08/21/26 12:08 PM #17437    

 

John Maxwell

What do you call an automotive critic?
A carberater.

08/21/26 02:01 PM #17438    

 

Michael McLeod

what do you call a fake noodle?

an impasta!


08/21/26 10:04 PM #17439    

 

Mark Schweickart

What do you call inveterate punsters? No pun at all.

 

 


08/22/26 12:58 PM #17440    

 

John Maxwell

Marq,
Is that a comment from the author of the punabridged dictionary?

08/22/26 09:18 PM #17441    

 

David Mitchell

Mike,

Interesting story and some excellent writing. I would submit, some of it comes natural - some learned.

 

That reminds me of a comment Keith Groff once told me. He was in his teaching years (English profesor at Ohio State, Eastern Oregon, and Idaho State (If I recall correctly). Someone of his fellow profesors asked how he had acquired such great grammar skills.

His reponse: "I was taught by Dominican Nuns".

 

 


08/22/26 09:25 PM #17442    

 

David Mitchell

Whoops - where did Mike's long post about the Seminole tribe of Florida go?   It was here when I wrote my post above ???




08/23/26 01:14 AM #17443    

 

Michael McLeod

UNCONQUERED SEMINOLE’ WAGES UNENDING BATTLE


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By Michael Mcleod  | Orlando Sentinel

PUBLISHED: May 27, 2001 at 12:00 AM EDT | UPDATED: October 26, 2018 at 10:52 AM EDT

Most people think of downtown St. Augustine as a historic place: the old fort, the cobblestone streets, the Spanish-colonial architecture.

It’s just one more Florida strip mall to Bobby C. Billie.

He strides past the storefronts of St. George Street in a burly glide, a full-blooded Seminole with caramel-colored skin and a graying ponytail. Tourists clopping by in horse-drawn trams squint at him in the midday sun and then fumble for their cameras. They think he’s a player in some historical pageant the guide forgot to mention.

They’re not too far off. Billie has a part in an epic that goes back further than St. Augustine. He’s in a battle over bones — ancient bones.

 

At 56, Billie is a sixth-generation medicine man on a crusade to protect Native American gravesites in Florida. Many of those graves — including the resting place of one of his own ancestors — have been disturbed by developers, archaeologists or poachers. Billie has put nearly two dozen of the old ones back into the earth, overseeing their re-interment along seashores and riversides, on hammocks in the Everglades, under oak and pine and palm.

AT ODDS WITH ARCHAEOLOGY

Now he finds himself picking his way past a Port-o-Let and a squat green trash bin as the cobblestone charm of the tourist district gives way to a small construction site. The boarded-up shop was once one of those novelty photo studios where tourists pose as gunslingers or dance-hall girls. All that remains are pitted red brick walls, a gaunt ceiling strung with a strand of bare light bulbs, a dirt floor — and, possibly, a grave.

A subcontractor working on the shop renovation has secretly contacted Billie, insisting that his crew discovered human bones while digging a new foundation. He thinks they may be Native American remains. The developer, John Valdes, says the subcontractor’s story is a vengeful fiction, concocted because of a business dispute. Carl Halburton, St. Augustine’s city archaeologist, has come to the same conclusion.

 

Halburton has spent the morning digging exploratory holes and finding nothing but roots, an old smoking pipe and a few pig bones. As Billie rounds the corner, Halburton is kicking at the dirt, Valdes is pacing with a frozen smile on his face and three workmen are lounging around getting paid for doing nothing. A fine green mist of evaporating money hovers over the scene.

It’s up to Halburton to explain it all to Billie so everybody can go back to work.

Billie stands with arms akimbo as Halburton launches into an Archaeology 101-type lecture. The earth beneath the city has built up in predictable layers. The farther down you dig, the further back in time you go. Just a few inches down and you’re back in the time of the conquistadors. Because the workers never dug down beyond that point, even if there are human remains, there’s really no way they could be Native American because. . . .

Suddenly Billie cuts one arm through the air as if to brush aside the archaeologist’s careful reasoning. “We know our people, indigenous people, were all around here,” he says. “You can cover them up, but they are still there. What I’m trying to say is: Where does the earth for indigenous people begin?”

Halburton stammers out a reply, but it’s like watching a very bad round of charades. His logic means nothing to Billie because Billie doesn’t accept the premise. He thinks it is ridiculous to talk of land as if it can be quantified, packaged or even owned. So do the rest of his people.

TRIBE SPURNS GOVERNMENT

Billie grew up as a member of the Independent Traditional Seminoles, a group of about 200 Native Americans who live at the northern edge of the Everglades on 400 acres bought for them by a private foundation. They do not acknowledge the concept of land ownership. To their way of thinking, land can be occupied, but it can’t be bought, any more than sky and stars and air. They refuse to live on any of the state’s five Seminole reservations because that would mean making a pact with the U.S. government, whose authority they refuse to recognize.

Members of the group — once known as “Trail Indians” because they lived along the Tamiami Trail — now live in a small village, dotted with oblong billets that resemble the thatch-roofed chickees that were once the traditional dwellings of the Seminoles. Ordinarily, the people in the village keep to themselves. Bobby Billie is the exception.

SPIRIT MOVED HIM

About 15 years ago, Billie says, a spirit came to him in a vision and told him to begin warning the mainstream culture to start taking better care of the Earth. So he worked to improve his English and overcome his shyness and began speaking to schools, civic organizations and environmental groups.

Eventually, he became involved in the issue of Native American graves. When remains were dug up or uncovered by erosion, he often was called to oversee their reburial. When he heard that graves might be disturbed, he took it upon himself to prevent it.

Once, near DeLeon Springs, he jumped into the middle of a group of archaeologists who were excavating a Native American grave, demanding: “You WILL stop!” They did.

At a golf course near Bonita Springs, he made other scientists cover up a 10,000-year-old mammoth that surfaced when a pond was drained. The animal, like the Native American remains nearby, belonged to the past, not the present, Billie said.

“The archaeologists say, ‘But all we want to do is study your people.’ I tell them, ‘Then come and talk to us.’ But they never do.”

Billie’s uncompromising positions have frustrated state archaeologist Jim Miller so much that the only comment Miller is willing to make is: “Nothing good can come of anything I might say about that man.”

Billie has stormed uninvited into federal conferences about Native American affairs, then lectured startled bureaucrats about how to do their jobs. Anthony Paredes, chief of Ethnology and Indian Affairs for the Southeast Region of the National Park Service, calls Billie “the last unconquered Seminole.”

GOVERNMENT IGNORES HIM

But Paredes also knows that there is a Catch-22 to Billie’s crusade, and a price to pay for being unconquered: As far as the federal government is concerned, Bobby Billie is not a Native American.

To put it another way: Because he doesn’t recognize the federal government, the federal government doesn’t recognize him.

The most significant federal guideline for dealing with Native American reburials is the Native American Grave Protection And Repatriation Act, signed into law by Congress in 1990.

The law is meant to correct a long-term grievance among Native Americans, who have complained for decades about the indiscriminate collecting of human remains and artifacts by soldiers, scientists and poachers. Many of those remains wound up in museums, stored in neatly labeled plastic bags.

The Smithsonian Institution in Washington, which has a collection of 19,000 Native American skeletons, has been referred to by one Native American activist as “the biggest Indian cemetery on the planet.”

As Billie puts it: “Do we dig up your grandmother’s bones? Do we have picnics in your cemeteries? Does it matter that we don’t put stones over their heads?”

The 1990 law protects graves and calls for all federally funded museums to catalog the remains and relics they have collected — and to return them, upon request, to recognized tribes that can prove a connection to the remains or artifacts.

The government recognizes more than 800 such tribes. The Seminole Tribe of Florida is on the list. The Independent Traditional Seminoles are not.

That means that Bobby Billie has no authority under federal law to have anything to do with Native American remains. He is an invisible man.

“There is a great irony here,” says Patricia Wickman, historical preservation officer for the Seminole Tribe of Florida. “The U.S. government, which spent 200 years trying to destroy Indians, has now set itself up as the unilateral arbiter of Indian-ness. It is a cosmic joke from which most of us will never recover.”

KENNEWICK MAN IN DISPUTE

Three thousand miles from Florida, scientists in Kennewick, Wash., are still waiting for the punch line.

In 1996, college students at a riverbank stumbled onto the remains of a man who died 9,000 years ago. Anthropologists want to study the bones, but first a federal magistrate must consider the arguments of groups trying to establish a “cultural affiliation” to Kennewick Man, and the right to say what happens to him. That includes, so far, five Native American tribes — and a pagan, California-based religious group, the Asatru Folk Assembly, which worships Norse gods.

Maybe it is better, as Bobby Billie maintains, to leave the old ones where they lie.

“The bones do not belong in a science book. The bones belong in the earth,” he says.

Billie stays involved in repatriation partly out of determination and partly through loopholes. He has tended to reburials on behalf of the Seminole Tribe of Oklahoma, descendents of Florida Seminoles forcibly removed from the state 170 years ago. He has done much the same for The Miccosukees of Florida, whose beliefs prevent them from doing reburials.

Billie himself is careful never to touch bones of the dead. To do so, according to the traditions of many tribes, can cause grave spiritual damage.

He can trace his ancestry to Sam Jones, the most famous medicine man in the history of the tribe. Jones, whose given name was Arpeika, was in his 70s during the 1830s, when soldiers tried to drive the Seminoles out of Florida. Arpeika led a stubborn guerrilla resistance, burning white hostages alive, shooting his own people if they spoke of surrender. He was never captured, and is thought to have lived into his 90s and died a free man, hiding with a small band of followers in the Everglades.

People of his day thought of him as the last unconquered Seminole, too.

BELIEFS REMAIN A MYSTERY

Billie is secretive about many of his beliefs. If you ask him what he carries in the ever-present leather pouch at his waist, he will likely fix you with a level, not unpleasant gaze and say: “You don’t need to know.” Nor will he confirm the commonly held belief that he conducts the Green Corn Festival, a secret, yearly convocation in which disputes are settled and young people are initiated into the tribe.

But he does acknowledge that he is a living repository of the tribe’s oral history, as Clay Henderson knows well.

Henderson, an Orlando attorney who helped orchestrate the purchase of the land where the Independent Traditional Seminoles now live, remembers taking Billie for a walk in woods near Spruce Creek. Henderson wanted to show him some Native American mounds.

“He’d never been there before,” says Henderson. “But at one point he stopped and said, “Does this trail go to a bluff that overlooks a small river? And are the mounds off to the west from there?’ Then he took a stick and drew the layout of the village in the dirt for me. It made the hair stand up on the back of my neck.”

REPOSITORY OF HISTORY

Billie says he recognized the area, and knew the layout of the village, from oral histories passed down to him. “It’s like pictures in my head,” he says.

The pictures make more sense to him than the world that he sees when he travels around the state, relying on a small group of environmentalists and friends who support his efforts.

Billie grew up in the Everglades and did not see a white person until he was 8 years old. Simple things that most people take for granted bemuse him. Concrete, for example. Parking garages and sidewalks remind him of the cast he wore when he broke a finger as a child. Remembering how the finger looked after the cast was removed, he thinks of concrete as a cast placed over the Earth, which has become pale and shriveled beneath it.

Although he cannot read or write, he has his own perspective on education. He calls it “the teaching of the square.”

“They give the people square hats when they graduate,” he says. “Then they go out and make all their buildings the same shape — square, like the hats.”

He has an abiding affection for animals, carving little wooden figurines of panthers, alligators and birds. He refers to trees as “elders,” because, in Native American tradition, they were here before anything else.

“Bobby Billie has a light in his eyes,” says Mark Glisson, environmental administrator for the Florida Bureau Of Natural and Cultural Resources. “Of course, there was one time I can remember when he looked at me like he wanted to cut my head off.”

TILTING AT WINDMILLS?

Glisson tried, unsuccessfully, to accommodate Billie and his fellow villagers when they asked permission to harvest cypress from a state forest. Glisson asked Billie what they wanted to do with the wood. “He wouldn’t tell me. He said, ‘What my tribal people do in the forest and take from the forest is not for you to know.'”

“I love him,” says Glisson. “But he’s Don Quixote.”


08/23/26 01:22 AM #17444    

 

Michael McLeod

Dave: I made some fixes to update that story and reposted it. 

Honestly I felt like a kid meeting Chief Billie and getting to write about him. Of all the people, hundreds I guess,  that I got to write about, from movie stars to mobsters, I'd choose him as my favorite. It was an honor to write about him.  Honestly I'd call it a sacred honor. He was a sweet soul but an angry one. I felt like a little kid in his presence.  There were times that he scared me - his anger, hell, righteous anger, was palpable but futile. I was touched by how that professor described him -- the one I quoted at the very end of the story who compared him to Don Quixote, the tragic dreamer.

 

 


08/23/26 01:41 PM #17445    

 

Mark Schweickart

Mike -- Terrific writing. Thanks for sharing. 


08/23/26 03:47 PM #17446    

 

Michael McLeod

food for thought from garrison keilor

and thanks mark. and dave, I'm semi retired but still tooling around a bit

dave, the story didn't dissappear. i just took it down and made a fix and put it back up again.

You know, I vowed when I was young that I would choose a vocation that I loved. And when I grew up I kept my promise. It wasn't easy but I loved it.

anyway, keillor, see link below. il miglior fabro, as they say. i's a customary compliment from on writer to another. it means "the better crafsman."

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-7RRTWJaqI

 

 

 

 

 


08/24/26 02:00 PM #17447    

 

Donna Kelley (Velazquez)

Hello, friends.  I am pretty sure that it is just my "superb tech skills" at work but I am unable to see any photos on the page "60th Reunion". There is only the title on a blank page. Has anyone else had this problem?  Janie, any suggestions that do not include going to computer classes. :-) Thanks!


08/24/26 03:05 PM #17448    

 

David Mitchell

Mine are there, but mostly sideways.


08/24/26 05:17 PM #17449    

 

Michael McLeod

did anybody else have parents who came to the foot of the stairs and yelled "don't make me come up there!" if you got out of bed and scurried around after lights out?


08/24/26 09:46 PM #17450    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Janie,
What happened to the icon that allows one to add a photo to our entries on the Message Forum? It seems to have disappeared.

Jim

08/24/26 11:00 PM #17451    

 

David Mitchell

Jim,

My photo insertion button seems to be working.

 

testing 1, 2, 3 


08/25/26 01:51 PM #17452    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

My photo insertion button is not showing up anymore and I don't know why.
Jim

08/25/26 02:28 PM #17453    

 

David Mitchell

Jim,

If you look to the bottom right - very bottom - clear out of the margins where it is purple , there is a "Class Creator".

Click on that and it takes you to a page with an Owl and a blackboard.

In the upper right is a list of actions to click on - click on the far right item "Contact".

That takes you to another page and click on Email. then tell them your problem and they will answer with instructions to fix you issue.

 

I hope this works - it's been over a year since I had to try it.

 


08/25/26 03:15 PM #17454    

 

David Mitchell

Dolly will be missed.

 

I like these two shots better.

 

 

 


08/25/26 09:48 PM #17455    

 

David Mitchell

Need some help.

I am trying to recall who's house I went to for a class party in the last week of 1969 - not New year's Eve, but about the 27th through the 29th.  

I think the house was close to where Weber and Tibet split, just east of High Street in Clintonville. I thought it was Julie Carpenter's home, but when I asked her a few years back she said it was not her house.

Any clues?

Anybody?


08/25/26 10:01 PM #17456    

 

John Jackson

Dave, I couldn't agree more about Dolly. 

From today's The Atlantic newsletter:

Dolly Parton transcended.

It almost didn’t matter what: class, gender, region, musical genre, partisanship. She transcended boundaries in all of them. During an era when politicians act like pop stars, pop stars are expected to engage in politics, and politics divide fiercely, Parton was perhaps the only person in the United States who commanded nearly universal affection. Her death today, at 80, leaves an absence that no contemporary cultural figure could dream of filling.

Parton’s origin story was, in the most literal sense, a rags-to-riches tale. She was born in a one-room cabin in the Appalachian Mountains of East Tennessee, one of 12 children of an illiterate sharecropper father. She memorialized her impoverished childhood in “Coat of Many Colors,” which tells of how her mother sewed her a jacket from rags. 

 



  

 


08/26/26 02:11 AM #17457    

 

Janie Albright (Blank)

Dave, a prize to anyone who can correctly name those pictured. I'm not sure. 
 

My photo button is working. Colleen's newest grandchild, Gus.

To those who can't post or have wonky issues, I'd try rebooting or clearing your cache. It's usually an equipment issue when only some experience a problem. 
 


08/26/26 08:26 AM #17458    

 

Fred Clem

Dolly singing "Rocky Top" in Neyland Stadium during the Tenn vs Ga game in November 2023.

"Rocky Top" in Knoxville is as big as "Hang on Sloopy" in Ohio Stadium.

She is being escorted by Peyton Manning.

I saw Dolly 5 times in person: 4 concerts in Columbus and one at the Grand Ole Opry.

A truly amazing entertainer, business executive and philanthropist.

Photo from the Knoxville News-Sentinel.

 


08/26/26 08:55 AM #17459    

 

John Jackson

So many Dolly gems - a bluegrass rendition of Stairway to Heaven.




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