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05/19/22 01:35 AM #11129    

 

David Mitchell

Mike B. 

I'd swear those names sound familiar !  

Maybe from a past life?

 

 

And Frank,

I may have said this before, but I wish you would stop "sugar coating" everything and tell us how you really feel.

 


05/19/22 01:47 AM #11130    

 

David Mitchell

Mark,

In my experience, gravity is somewhat overrated.


05/19/22 08:41 AM #11131    

 

Frank Ganley

Mike m, here is a list of word that you can use to describe conservative republicans, trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly,  courteous, kind, obedient , cheerful, thrifty, clean, and reverent . If we follow these rules of how to act we would stop all of this bickering and divisiveness and we would all live in harmony

 

 


05/19/22 09:12 AM #11132    

 

Michael Boulware

Dsave Mitchell. Our lunch bunch would love to have you as guest speaker if you ever get the chance to join us. I just found out that Dave Roesch was an Evans Scholarship recipient, Charlie Kaps and Bill Lehner are recognized as "MASTER" sailors, and Bill McCray is still the coolest guy around.


05/19/22 12:22 PM #11133    

 

Michael McLeod

Hey that's great, Frank. I appreciate your selection of words and will check my preconceptions at the door next time I am with a self-described conservative and assume that they have all or most of those qualities and we will see how it all works out. Although Orlando is a hotbed of gays and entertainers, and I'm in two professions as a journalist and college professor that surround me with liberals, I'm sure, based on how the voting goes in Florida, that I'll run into a conservative or two now and then. 

 

Now: Forgive me if I've done this before.

But if anybody who reads this has a few minutes to spare and want to see and hear something splendid and sublime,  check this out. A breathtaking piece of music meets an equally breathtaking performer. And you should see what she does with the great Russian composers - which I will be lucky enough to enjoy when she comes down her to Orlando to perform with our philharmonic this upcoming season. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce3OERuCY0E

 


05/19/22 05:46 PM #11134    

 

David Mitchell

Mike B.

I would be flattered to oblidge you. Maybe when I drive up in the fall for the reunion, we could work out some alternate day for that group. As a result of two local articles about a reunion I organized about 8 year ago, I have been asked to speak to large groups (200 to 800 people) on several occasions. I can keep it as light and "safe' as you prefer.

I had the honor of being the main speaker at my local town of Bluffton's Memorial Day celebration a few years back. But my first time, about 8 years ago was a real eye opener. A crowd of about 350 (all Vietnam Vets and a few local officials) gave me such an ovation that I was stunned. 

Our unusual mission and tactic is so widley unknown that some who hear it for the first time are skeptical*. But I can refer them to a couple of You Tube videos that confirm our story. We think there were probably only a few hundred of us L.O.H. ("Loach") pilots out of over 40,000 (I think) American helicopter pilots in all of Vietnam. Many Vietnam Veterans are unaware of our story - unless they were attatched to, or based near one of our units. I think there may have been only 8 or 10 helicopter squadrons (out of hundreds of squadrons) that were equipped to employ this tactic.

 

* I was once called a liar at a cocktail party years ago in Denver - standing in a group of four when my host asked me to share a bit of my story. In those days I was very guarded about doing that with strangers, but I gave them a little brief overview. The guy on my left - an well-known attorney as I recall, holding a martini, suddeny walked away saying, "You expect me to believe this bullshit?"

And my oldest daughter - a graduate of Watterson and John Carroll (and captain of both swim teams) -  wrote a short story of one of my more unusual episodes in a graduate school writing class at the Cal State branch in Pasadena, CA. She got the paper back from the teacher with a low grade and a written comment in the margin- "This is ridiiculous! This could never have happened." 

I was not too thrilled when she told me about it.  


05/19/22 07:17 PM #11135    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Dave M., 

Seriously: more good reasons to write that book and include photographs from you and your fellow LOACH team members who took on those dangerous missions.

Sarcastically: if you write it from the viewpoint of the VC or with a certain tilt, it may become required reading by some school boards! 🙄

Jim

 

 


05/19/22 10:15 PM #11136    

 

David Mitchell

True Greatness - Aim for the stars!

  (or at least, the "arches")

 

I just couldn't resist this inspiring story of "great expectations".                   Charles Dickens, eat your heart out. This will probably move you to tears............, (or maybe indigestion). 

 

(gotta love that hair do)


05/19/22 10:20 PM #11137    

 

David Mitchell

You heard him right. He has saved every receipt and every carton. 

YIKES ! 


05/19/22 10:59 PM #11138    

 

Michael McLeod

oh, mm:

thanks for the vocabulary lesson.

The only one I recognized was tea-bagger - which has an obscene association in my mind that has nothing to do with politics -  and of course Trumpster. That's the only one I'd directly connect with conservatives. I do see how some of the terms characterize positions I associate with conservatives when it comes to women's rights and minorities and conspiracy theories, though.

 

 


05/20/22 12:06 AM #11139    

 

Michael McLeod

ok this is long. but it addresses the background radiation of the contentiousness and divisiveness and blind spots, as reflected in a small way here now and then and in a broader way across the country, that I've been trying to figure out. I especially like the paragraph that begins "in the hurly-burly of everyday life..."

 


By David Brooks

Opinion Columnist

I’m a fan of FiveThirtyEight, a website that looks at policy issues from a data-heavy perspective, but everyone publishes a clunker once in a while. In February,

FiveThirtyEight ran a piece called “Why Democrats Keep Losing Culture Wars.” The core assertion was that Republicans prevail because a lot of Americans are ignorant about issues like abortion and school curriculum, and they believe the lies the right feeds them. The essay had a very heavy “deplorables are idiots” vibe.

Nate Hochman, writing in the conservative National Review, recognized a hanging curve when he saw one and he walloped the piece. He noted that “all the ‘experts’ that the FiveThirtyEight writers cite in their piece are invested in believing that the progressive worldview is the objective one, and that any deviations from it are the result of irrational or insidious impulses in the electorate.”

He added: “All this is a perfect example of why the left’s cultural aggression is alienating to so many voters. Progressive elites are plagued by an inability to understand the nature and function of social issues in American life as anything other than a battle between the forces of truth and justice on one side and those of ignorance and bigotry on the other.”

There’s a lot of truth to that. The essence of good citizenship in a democratic society is to spend time with those who disagree with you so you can understand their best arguments.

But over the last few decades, as Republicans have been using cultural issues to rally support more and more, Democrats have understood what’s going on less and less. Many progressives have developed an inability to see how good and wise people could be on the other side, a lazy tendency to assume that anybody who’s not a social progressive must be a racist or a misogynist, a tendency to think the culture wars are merely a distraction Republican politicians kick up to divert attention from the real issues, like economics — as if the moral health of society was some trivial sideshow.

Even worse, many progressives have been blind to their own cultural power. Liberals dominate the elite cultural institutions — the universities, much of the mainstream news media, entertainment, many of the big nonprofits — and many do not seem to understand how infuriatingly condescending it looks when they describe their opponents as rubes and bigots.

The Republican Party capitalizes on this. Some days it seems as if this is the only thing the party does. For example, Republican candidates could probably cruise to victory in this fall’s elections just by talking about inflation. Instead, many are doubling down on the sort of cultural issues that helped propel Glenn Youngkin to the governor’s office in Virginia.

They’re doing it because many Americans believe the moral fabric of society is fraying, and the Republican messages on this resonate. In a recent Fox News poll, 60 percent of Hispanic respondents favored laws that would bar teachers from discussing sexual orientation or gender identity with students before the fourth grade. Nearly three-quarters of American voters are very or extremely concerned about “what’s taught in public schools.”

Documents this year from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee recognized that the Republican culture war issues are “alarmingly potent” and that some battleground state voters think the Democrats are “preachy” and “judgmental.”

 

The fact is the culture wars are not a struggle between the enlightened few and the ignorant and bigoted masses. They are a tension between two legitimate moral traditions. Democrats will never prevail on social issues unless they understand the nature of the struggle.

In the hurly-burly of everyday life, very few of us think about systemic moral philosophies. But deep down we are formed by moral ecologies we are raised within or choose, systems of thought and feeling that go back centuries. We may think we are making up our own minds about things, but usually our judgments and moral sentiments are shaped by these long moral traditions.

In this essay I’m going to try to offer a respectful version of the two rival moral traditions that undergird our morality wars. I’ll try to summarize the strengths and weaknesses of each. I’ll also try to point to the opportunities Democrats now have to create a governing majority on social and cultural matters.

***

The phrase “moral freedom” captures a prominent progressive moral tradition. It recognizes the individual conscience as the ultimate authority and holds that in a diverse society, each person should have the right to lead her own authentic life and make up her own mind about moral matters. If a woman decides to get an abortion, then we should respect her freedom of choice. If a teenager concludes they are nonbinary, or decides to transition to another gender, then we should celebrate their efforts to live a life that is authentic to who they really are.

In this ethos society would be rich with a great diversity of human types.

This ethos has a pretty clear sense of right and wrong. It is wrong to try to impose your morality or your religious faith on others. Society goes wrong when it prevents gay people from marrying who they want, when it restricts the choices women can make, when it demeans transgender people by restricting where they can go to the bathroom and what sports they can play after school.

This moral freedom ethos has made modern life better in a variety of ways. There are now fewer restrictions that repress and discriminate against people from marginalized groups. Women have more social freedom to craft their own lives and to be respected for the choices they make. People in the L.G.B.T.Q. communities have greater opportunities to lead open and flourishing lives. There’s less conformity. There’s more tolerance for different lifestyles. There’s less repression and more openness about sex. People have more freedom to discover and express their true selves.

However, there are weaknesses. The moral freedom ethos puts tremendous emphasis on individual conscience and freedom of choice. Can a society thrive if there is no shared moral order? The tremendous emphasis on self-fulfillment means that all relationships are voluntary. Marriage is transformed from a permanent covenant to an institution in which two people support each other on their respective journeys to self-fulfillment. What happens when people are free to leave their commitments based on some momentary vision of their own needs?

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If people find their moral beliefs by turning inward, the philosopher Charles Taylor warned, they may lose contact with what he called the “horizons of significance,” the standards of truth, beauty and moral excellence that are handed down by tradition, history or God.

A lot of people will revert to what the philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre calls “emotivism”: What is morally right is what feels right to me. Emotivism has a tendency to devolve into a bland mediocrity and self-indulgence. If we’re all creating our own moral criteria based on feelings, we’re probably going to grade ourselves on a forgiving curve.

Self-created identities are also fragile. We need to have our identities constantly affirmed by others if we are to feel secure. People who live within this moral ecology are going to be hypersensitive to sleights that they perceive as oppression. Politics devolves into identity wars, as different identities seek recognition over the others.

The critics of moral freedom say that while it opens up lifestyle choices, it also devolves into what Zygmunt Bauman calls “liquid modernity.” When everybody defines his own values, the basic categories of life turn fluid. You wind up in a world in which a Supreme Court nominee like Ketanji Brown Jackson has to dodge the seemingly basic question of what a woman is. I don’t blame her. I don’t know how to answer that question anymore, either.

Under the sway of the moral freedom ethos, the left has generally won the identity wars but lost the cosmology wars. America has moved left on feminist and L.G.B.T.Q. issues and is much more tolerant of diverse lifestyles. But many Americans don’t quite trust Democrats to tend the moral fabric that binds us all together. They worry that the left threatens our national narratives as well as religious institutions and the family, which are the seedbeds of virtue.

***

The conservative moral tradition has a very different conception of human nature, the world and how the good society is formed. I’ll call it “you are not your own,” after the recent book by the English professor and Christian author Alan Noble.

People who subscribe to this worldview believe that individuals are embedded in a larger and pre-existing moral order in which there is objective moral truth, independent of the knower. As Charles Taylor summarizes the ethos, “independent of my will there is something noble, courageous and hence significant in giving shape to my own life.”

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In this ethos, ultimate authority is outside the self. For many people who share this worldview, the ultimate source of authority is God’s truth, as revealed in Scripture. For others, the ultimate moral authority is the community and its traditions.

We’re in a different moral world here, with emphasis on obedience, dependence, deference and supplication. This moral tradition has a loftier vision of perfect good, but it takes a dimmer view of human nature: Left to their own devices, people will tend to be selfish and shortsighted. They will rebel against the established order and seek autonomy. If a person does not submit to the moral order of the universe — or the community — he may become self-destructive, a slave to his own passions.

The healthier life is one lived within limits — limits imposed by God’s commandments, by the customs and sacred truths of a culture and its institutions. These limits on choice root you so you have a secure identity and secure attachments. They enforce habits that slowly turn into virtues.

In the “moral freedom” world you have to be free to realize your highest moral potential.

In the “you are not your own” world you must be morally formed by institutions before you are capable of handling freedom. In this world there are certain fixed categories. Male and female are essential categories of personhood. In this ethos there are limits on freedom of choice. You don’t get to choose to abort your fetus, because that fetus is not just cells that belong to you. That fetus belongs to that which brings forth life.

Researchers Jesse Graham, Jonathan Haidt and Brian Nosek found that liberals are powerfully moved to heal pain and prevent cruelty. Conservatives, they discovered, are more attuned than liberals to the moral foundations that preserve a stable social order. They highly value loyalty and are sensitive to betrayal. They value authority and are sensitive to subversion.

The strengths of this moral tradition are pretty obvious. It gives people unconditional attachments and a series of rituals and practices that morally form individuals.

The weaknesses of this tradition are pretty obvious, too. It can lead to rigid moral codes that people with power use to justify systems of oppression. This ethos leads to a lot of othering — people not in our moral order are inferior and can be conquered and oppressed.

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But the big problem today with the “you are not your own” ethos is that fewer and fewer people believe in it. Fewer and fewer people in the United States believe in God. And more Americans of all stripes have abandoned the submissive, surrendering, dependent concept of the self.

This is the ultimate crisis on the right. Many conservatives say there is an objective moral order that demands obedience, but they’ve been formed by America’s prevailing autonomy culture, just like everybody else. In practice, they don’t actually want to surrender obediently to a force outside themselves; they want to make up their own minds. The autonomous self has triumphed across the political spectrum, on the left where it makes sense, and also on the right, where it doesn’t.

***

Both of these moral traditions have deep intellectual and historical roots. Both have a place in any pluralistic society. Right now, the conservative world looks politically strong, but it is existentially in crisis. Republicans will probably do extremely well in the 2022 midterms. But conservatism, especially Christian conservatism, is coming apart.

Conservative Christians feel they are under massive assault from progressive cultural elites. Small-town traditionalists feel their entire way of life is being threatened by globalism and much else. They perceive that they are losing power as a cultural force. Many in the younger generations have little use for their god, their traditional rooted communities and their values.

This has produced a moral panic. Consumed by the passion of the culture wars, many traditionalists and conservative Christians have adopted a hypermasculine warrior ethos diametrically opposed to the Sermon on the Mount moral order they claim as their guide. Unable to get people to embrace their moral order through suasion, they now seek to impose their moral order through politics. A movement that claims to make God their god now makes politics god. What was once a faith is now mostly a tribe.

This moral panic has divided the traditionalist world, especially the Christian part of it, a division that has, for example, been described in different ways by me, by my Times colleague Ruth Graham and by Tim Alberta in The Atlantic. Millions of Americans who subscribe to the “you are not your own” ethos are appalled by what the Republican Party has become.

So is there room in the Democratic Party for people who don’t subscribe to the progressive moral tradition but are appalled by what conservatism has become?

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First, will Democrats allow people to practice their faith even if some tenets of that faith conflict with progressive principles? For example, two bills in Congress demonstrate that clash. They both would amend federal civil rights law to require fair treatment of L.G.B.T.Q. people in housing, employment and other realms of life. One, the Fairness for All Act, would allow for substantial exceptions for religious institutions. A Catholic hospital, say, wouldn’t be compelled to offer gender transition surgeries. The other, the Equality Act, would override existing law that prevents the federal government from substantially burdening individuals’ exercise of religion without a compelling government interest.

Right now, Democrats generally support the latter bill and oppose the former. But supporting the Fairness for All Act, which seeks to fight discrimination while leaving space for religious freedom, would send a strong signal to millions of wavering believers, and it would be good for America.

Second, will Democrats stand up to the more radical cultural elements in their own coalition? Jonathan Rauch was an early champion of gay and lesbian rights. In an article in American Purpose, he notes that one wing of the movement saw gay rights as not a left-wing issue but a matter of human dignity. A more radical wing celebrated cultural transgression and disdained bourgeois morality. Ultimately, the gay rights movement triumphed in the court of public opinion when the nonradicals won and it became attached to the two essential bourgeois institutions — marriage and the military.

Rauch argues that, similarly, the transgender rights movement has become entangled with ideas that are extraneous to the cause of transgender rights. Ideas like: Both gender and sex are chosen identities and denying or disputing that belief amounts is violence. Democrats would make great strides if they could champion transgender rights while not insisting upon these extraneous moral assertions that many people reject.

The third question is, will Democrats realize that both moral traditions need each otherAs usual, politics is a competition between partial truths. The moral freedom ethos, like liberalism generally, is wonderful in many respects, but liberal societies need nonliberal institutions if they are to thrive.

America needs institutions built on the “you are not your own” ethos to create social bonds that are more permanent than individual choice. It needs that ethos to counter the me-centric, narcissistic tendencies in our culture. It needs that ethos to preserve a sense of the sacred, the idea that there are some truths so transcendentally right that they are absolutely true in all circumstances. It needs that ethos in order to pass along the sort of moral sensibilities that one finds in, say, Abraham Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address — that people and nations have to pay for the wages of sin, that charity toward all is the right posture, that firmness in keeping with the right always has to be accompanied by humility about how much we can ever see of the right.

Finally, we need this ethos, because morality is not only an individual thing; it’s something between people that binds us together. Even individualistic progressives say it takes a village to raise a child, but the village needs to have a shared moral sense of how to raise it.

I’ll end on a personal note. I was raised in Lower Manhattan and was shaped by the progressive moral values that prevailed in the late 1960s and the 1970s. But as I’ve grown older I’ve come to see more and more wisdom in the “you are not your own” tradition.

Is there room for people like us in the Democratic Party? Most days I think yes. Some days I’m not sure.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/19/opinion/democrats-morality-wars.html


05/20/22 12:53 AM #11140    

 

David Mitchell

Mike

I like David Brooks, but could you send the "Cliffs Notes" version. And in large print.

I'm old, and slow, and never could read very well. Plus I just had two cataract surgeries this past week.

Prey God there won't be a quiz. Have mercy on an old man. 


05/20/22 02:57 PM #11141    

 

Michael McLeod

Ok Dave we're grownups now. I know you miss your classics illustrated comic books but c'mon man we can do this. 

Actually I do sympathize, lad, having had some issues with my own peepers of late. And I blame the interwebs for my attention span for book reading lagging these days.


05/20/22 03:05 PM #11142    

 

David Mitchell

Mike,

Have some respect. We're not all English Majors you know!

When I read it's not my attention span that's a problem. It's my ability to stay awake. Whenever I sit down, my eyelids go "clunk". I promise I will break that post down into "chapters" and Itry to finnish it in a week - or so.

 


05/20/22 04:42 PM #11143    

 

David Mitchell

Ladies and Gentlemen, take heart. My faith in mankind is restored.

There realy is a God !




05/20/22 07:00 PM #11144    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Folks,

Getting away from politics, cataracts (I've got 'em too but not ready for plucking quite yet!) and television series it is time for another "Tribute".

This is one that I have been wanting to do for some time now and finally got to work on it over the last few weeks. It is entitled  "A Photographic Tribute to the Imagery of John Denver's Songs"

I know that several of the contributors to this Forum have a lot more musical knowledge than do I and some, like Mark S., write, sing and cover songs. Others have tastes ranging from classical to opera to Irish Folk and many various types of compositions. It is nice to hear and view the videos that have been posted and I enjoy them immensely.

My personal favorites are Country, early 60's Rock, Folk and Easy Listening Instrumentals. But the imagery that John Denver expressed in his lyrics and his musical rhythms have always been an inspiration to me.

I have mentioned on this Forum in the past that one of my "photographic goals" has been to capture photographs of what JD was singing about. This Tribute is a sampling of that goal. 

Under each image is a title which is a verse from one of of his songs. Under the title is a brief comment from me. There are 22 pictures that I have chosen which fit with verses from 7 of my favorite JD songs. 

Can you name the song from which each verse was taken? 

Don't be surprised if you walk around for a day or two with an "ear worm" of a song he recorded!

The following link will take you directly to the gallery on my website. CAUTION: if viewed in "Slide Show" mode you will miss the words and see only the pictures. So, click on the first picture and you will see both the image, title and comment and from there you can use the arrowhead ( > ) at the top right to go to the next picture. As always, these are better seen on a desktop or laptop than a cellphone.

https://mountainmemories.zenfolio.com/p588176322

Jim

 

 


05/20/22 11:54 PM #11145    

 

David Mitchell

Jim,

These shots and mention of John Denver strikes a memory nerve that runs deep with me. I may have a slight advantage over most of our classmates - having traveled a lot throughout those mountains.

I want to know - is photo No.1 some different view of the San Juans? It almost looks like Mount Wilson from a different angle. 

And of course, No. 10 - the Maroon Bells outside of Aspen is an obvious one. Too bad you weren't shooting slightly wider there so you could get the little lake in front of them. And how I miss those golden Aspens in the fall. 

And are any of these near the "Collegiate Peaks"?  

Speakning of John Denver, my wife and I got to see him live at Red Rocks two years in a row. Sitting up high enough you can see the lights of Denver far behind the stage. We also saw Gordan Lightfoot, Judy Collins, with the full Denver Symphony Orchesra on stage with her (and some others - forgotten?) at Red Rocks.

This isn't my favorite song and the vieo goes on a bit beyond the views of the theater, but it gives our classmates a bit of a taste of the setting at Red Rocks (owned by the City of Denver Parks system). It hosts eveything from Easter sunrise services, to classic orchestra performances, to all kinds of popular artists. 

It's simply a marvelous venue. Seats about 6,000 or 7,000 with wonderful natural accoustics.

Almost Heaven!


05/21/22 03:39 AM #11146    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Dave M.,

Picture #1 is a wide angle view (looking southwest) of Garden of the Gods with a snow covered Pikes Peak on the right side. I made it from a place and angle that is less used in other photos.This is about a 12 minute drive from our home. Mt. Wilson is 175 miles (as the crow flies) away.

I have many pictures of the Maroon Bells and Maroon Lake but wanted to use a close up of the Bells for that Tribute gallery. Here is a good shot of the Bells and the lake:

The last image, #22, is looking west off Weston Pass and you can barely see one of the Collegiate Peaks in the distance..

 

Jim

 

 

 

 


05/21/22 10:35 AM #11147    

 

Janie Albright (Blank)

Jim, magnificent! Looks like a painting. Love the wide angle. 


05/21/22 11:37 AM #11148    

 

Sheila McCarthy (Gardner)

Jim: What a masterpiece! Let me know if you want to bring your considerable skills to the Sierra Nevada ... thank you for a lovely journey.... 


05/21/22 11:49 AM #11149    

 

Mark Schweickart

Jim – Thanks for sharing the link to your recent photo collection. Truly spectacular images! Great job, although I must admit that, aside from "Take Me Home, Country Roads," I could not associate the songs you hinted at with the various pictures. From some odd reason, I never paid much attention to John Denver. I have to ask how you did that movement effect shot (no,13, I think it was)? 

Oh, and speaking of the one Denver song I do always recognize, "Take Me Home, Country Roads," it reminds me of a time I was in Munich, Germany on a business trip. It was the fall, so Octoberfest was in full swing. It was a fairgrounds-size spectacular, with amusement park rides and huge tents where one could listen to live music and, needless to say, drink beer voluminously. I was surprised to hear the music was not some sort of German beerhall oom-pa-pa, as I was expecting, but rather was almost exclusively live cover versions of Amierican music. I was standing next to a couple of people I didn't know, but who were conversing in English as "TakeMe Home, Country Roads" started up. After the opening line, "Almost heaven, West Virginia," was sung out, the girl standing next to me turned to her partner and asked, "Where is West Virginia?" Her partner replied, "I think it's next to Texas." I thought maybe I should butt in to offer that actually it is next to Ohio, but then figured that this info would not really clarify anything for them, so I just smiled and enjoyed the music... and my beer, of course.  So what is the point of this ramble, you may ask? Just that for some (well, me in this case) John Denver's music doesn't actually conjur up images of the beautiful Colorado mountains, as it does for you, Jim, but rather, it brings to mind, of all places – German Octoberfest and Ohio. Sorry about that. Nevertheless, I loved your photos. Keep up the great work.

 


05/21/22 12:36 PM #11150    

 

Michael McLeod

Just want to make sure you know I'm just kidding you Dave.

I just get charged up about certain things and I figure there's no quiz so people who don't want to read it don't even have to turn the page, just skip it.

The gist of that essay was summed up in the one paragraph that I mentioned, and it had to do with something that intrigues me, which is how we get imprinted with certain basic points of view in the first place. 


05/21/22 02:18 PM #11151    

 

John Maxwell

Doctor James Hamilton
Nice photos of the highlands. Prize winners for sure.

05/21/22 02:47 PM #11152    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

SPRINGTIME IN THE ROCKIES??

Thanks to Janie, Sheila, Mark and Jack for the comments.

Mark, I'll get back to you soon on your question about #13.

In the meantime I have some work to do. Last nite through now (and still happening) we had a VERY wet, heavy spring snowfall in our city and our area got hit hard - about 14+ inches. We lost these two pinon pine trees in our front yard due to the weight of the snow (see picture below). Fortunately they did not fall on the street lamp post! I've spent a lot of the morning digging out and will deal with dismantling the trees after some melting. These were mature, 50 y.o. pines. 

This is probably the latest spring snowstorm we have seen since moving here.  

Jim

 


05/21/22 03:41 PM #11153    

 

David Mitchell

Jim,

Too bad about your trees, I recall back about 1984 when we got a nice 24 inches on Christmas Eve. And Mayor McNichls decided not to call out the snowplow crews on Christmas day - it always melted the next day in Denver anyway - and the city workers could have Chrismas at home. But it did not melt the next day, but instead took about 5 days with frozen streets and deep frozen ruts of snow. It was a disaster for his P.R. Come electon day that spring (about a week from now), we had an 18 incher on voting day and it reminded everybody of his Chritmas blunder. So we had a record turnout (even in the snow) to vote him out of office .Thus began the Freddie Pena era. Remeber Freddie? Kind of a do nothing guy who bacame Bill Clinton's transportation Secretary - and has never been heard of since.

For you non-Colorado natives, the "Mile-HIgh City always gets a whopper or two (12 to 24 inches - and a 3 footer once) - often quite early or quite late, and it makes the news. But most of the winters down in the city are so mild you can play golf or tennis much of the time. But climb a few thusand feet to the West on I-70 and you are in real winter weather.

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Mark,

Ain't Octoberfest a kick in the rear? Those beer tents are amazing. But we got genuine "Umpah" music in the two tents that my wife and I went into. What's not so much fun is trying to drive in Munich traffic at rush hour - in the early seventies, while the city was building it's new subway system for the '72 Olympics and streets were torn up and blockaded everywhere - what a nightmare! 


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