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05/10/22 06:23 PM #11104    

 

David Mitchell

Jim, 

Please spare us.

It was Donald Trump who denied acess to nuclear weapons for Ukraine. So he could save his buddy Manafort's deals with all his oligark buddies. It was Ted Cruz (not my favorite either) who wrote it into Trump's campaign platform that they would let Ukraine have nukes. But Trunp let Manafort talk him into removing that from the platform.

 

 


05/10/22 07:48 PM #11105    

 

Michael McLeod

Since we got into this - which was, let's face it, inevitable - I want to post an essay that touches on a part of the issue that I've always wondered about - which is the practical side. But "practical" doesn't do it justice. Maybe "humane" is a better word. Or "spiritually and emotionally challenging." Or "humanistic."

Ok I'll shut up now.

 

By Matthew Walther

Mr. Walther is the editor of The Lamp, a Catholic literary journal.

 

For years I have noticed a persistent inclination among my fellow opponents of abortion. Perhaps without meaning to do so, they downplay the possibility that the end of legal abortion will entail anything except the eradication of a great evil.

The post-abortion world they seem to envision outwardly resembles the one that we already inhabit, with its familiar social and economic structures intact. They are reluctant to consider that they themselves might have benefited from what those on the other side of the issue would hail as the societywide benefits of decades of legal abortion — allowing more women to engage in wage labor, for example, or all but eliminating the social pressures that once led to shotgun marriages.

This has always seemed to me a great failure of imagination. That failure must now be rectified. With the appearance last week of a draft of what seems to be the forthcoming majority opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, a decision that would overturn Roe v. Wade, Americans are being invited to consider what it would mean to live in a country in which abortion, though not illegal everywhere, is likely to be banned or heavily restricted in as many as 28 states.

For opponents of abortion, it is worth asking what might follow from overturning Roe — apart from the joyful fact of hundreds of thousands of additional babies being born — and how we should reckon with the arrival of any apparently unwelcome social or economic consequences.

 

American society as we know it today came into being during the 1970s, in the wake of Roe, amid rising crime rates, stagflation and the dismantling of the Fordist economic consensus in favor of deregulation and the breakup of stable, quasi-nationalized monopolies. It is not possible to conceive of our present way of life — the decline of heavy and textile manufacturing and the rise of the service economy, financialization, the collapse of traditional familial and other social structures, the subsuming of virtually every facet of our existence into digital technologies — in the absence of the estimated 63 million abortions that have been performed in America since 1973.

Exactly how abortion has affected the evolution of American society is a matter of some debate. Consider the economic implications. Twenty years ago, John D. Mueller argued in the pages of Family Policy, a conservative journal, that Roe was “perhaps the single largest American economic event of the past century, more significant than the Great Depression or the Second World War.” By reducing the size of the American population, he argued, abortion threatened both economic growth and innovation. Legal abortion, he said, had led to a reduction in living standards and trillions of dollars in lost net output.

In the years since the publication of Mr. Mueller’s essay, countless economists and social scientists have argued the opposite: that legal abortion is not only compatible with but also necessary for sustained economic growth. Among other things, reduced access to abortion is correlated with lower rates of labor force participation, reduced wages and increased job turnover.

If the actions of major corporations in states such as Texas, which recently banned abortion after about six weeks of pregnancy, are any indication, America’s business establishment agrees. The boards of corporations like Citigroup, with a fiduciary duty to their shareholders, have announced that they will subsidize travel for employees who seek out-of-state abortions.

Opponents of abortion should consider the possibility that these corporations are correct in their apparent assumption that abortion contributes to the maximization of shareholder value. Are we prepared to accept the converse proposition, to invite a reduction in shareholder value by banning abortion?

 

The scope of the problem is far broader than economics. Research over the years has suggested that an America without abortion would mean more single mothers and more births to teenage mothers, increased strain on Medicaid and other welfare programs, higher crime rates, a less dynamic and flexible work force, an uptick in carbon emissions, lower student test scores and goodness knows what else. If you sincerely believe, as I do, that every abortion means the deliberate killing of an innocent human being, is there some hypothetical threshold for negative growth, carbon dioxide levels or work force participation rates beyond which the protection of that life would be too burdensome?

For me, the answer is no. This is why, even though I find it unlikely that (for example) there is any meaningful causal relationship between access to abortion and academic performance, I believe that those who oppose abortion should not discount the possibility that its proscription will have consequences that some of us would otherwise regret. To insist, as opponents of abortion often have, that the economists John Donohue and Steven Levitt cannot be right about the correlation between Roe and the reduced incidence of crime two decades later strikes me as a tacit concession that if they were right, our position on abortion might have to be altered.

For the same reason, opponents of abortion should commit ourselves to the most generous and humane provisions for mothers and children (paid family leave, generous child benefits, direct income subsidies for stay-at-home mothers, single-payer health care) without being Pollyannaish. No matter what we do, in a post-Roe world many children who would not otherwise have been born will live lives of utter misery, and many of our fellow Americans will be indifferent to their plight. If we wish to dispel the noxious argument that only happy lives are worth saving, we will have to be honest about the limits of social policy and private charity in regulating the turbid ebb and flow of human misery.

In a letter written to a friend in 1959, Flannery O’Connor lamented that some members of the clergy, when arguing in favor of Catholic teaching on procreation, felt the need to assuage concerns about overpopulation. “I wish various fathers would quit trying to defend it by saying that the world can support 40 billion,” she wrote. “I will rejoice in the day when they say: This is right, whether we all rot on top of each other or not, dear children, as we certainly may.”

While the neo-Malthusian fears that animated many observers in the second half of the 20th century appear now to have been ill founded, one should see the wisdom in O’Connor’s blithe acknowledgment that things might have turned out otherwise. What is right is very rarely what is convenient.


05/10/22 10:08 PM #11106    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Dave M., 

Of course, no one can accurately predict what might have happened with Russia and the Ukraine if circumstances were different. The one thing that we do know is that the Russian invasion happened on President Biden's watch. If Ukraine had gotten nukes would they have used them? That would have been interesting. Or would the presence of them have prevented the invasion? If Biden had given conventional weapons to the Ukrainians would that have made a difference?.

It is all theoretical for a very complex, dangerous and disastrous situation that is causing so much destruction, death and human suffering.

Blame whomever you want but I would blame Putin.

Over and out,

Jim

 

 

 

 


05/11/22 12:35 AM #11107    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Some food for thought:
Question:  Is ending the life of a pre-born child moral?  Does the pre-born child have any intrinsic rights? Is it a scientific fact that the pre-born child is a human life?  On what moral grounds does a mother alone decide the worth of her pre-born child under any circumstance, for any reason & at any time in her pregnancy?  Does not society decide that the very second a child is delivered from the womb that life is protected from harm? What makes the child's life more valuable outside the womb vs inside the womb?  Is the pre-born child not a separate body from the mother's?  Would it be moral to abort a child in the womb solely because it is a female and the mother prefers boys?  Is it moral to abort a pre-born child determined to have Down's Syndrome, or cerebral palsy, or missing a hand, or has a missing or an extra chromosome?  

If we don't begin to debate these important questions to seek out the truth, society will never find common ground on this issue. 


05/11/22 11:55 AM #11108    

 

John Jackson

Jim, are you really serious when you say “The one thing that we do know is that the Russian invasion happened on President Biden's watch”.  Using this dubious logic, isn’t Trump  responsible for the emergence of the coronavirus – didn’t that happen on his watch?  

Trump spent his four years in office cozying up to dictators (remember his touching exchange of “love letters” with Kim Jong Un) and undermining our relationships with democracies around the world.  He seemed to take particular delight with sticking his finger in the eyes of our NATO allies.

The exact timing Putin chose for the invasion is known only to Putin – maybe he bided his time hoping Trump would be re-elected and would pull the U.S out of NATO - which Trump had threatened to do in his first term and which John Bolton said was his plan during a second term.

Trump wouldn’t have lifted a finger to oppose this invasion by a man he obviously admires.  And, unlike Biden, Trump would never have wanted or been able to orchestrate the coordinated response of the U.S and its NATO allies which has proven so crucial to the Ukrainians' ability to defend themselves. 

And, Jim, I know it's a staple of right wing media that there was no collusion, but  there is no doubt that Trump got serious support for his 2016 campaign from the Russians, so no need for the Washington Post to return their Pulitzers.  And many of the stories they (and other responsible media outlets) ran were corroborated in the Mueller report. 

But collusion in the legal/indictable sense has a very narrow and technical meaning (it requires evidence of extensive planning and advance coordination between the colluders) and the ever-cautious Mr. Mueller was not quite willing to go there (even though most of his top deputies thought that the standards had been met).   And Mueller has said his decision was affected  by a Justice Department ruling that holds that a sitting President cannot  be indicted.

Mueller himself took issue with Attorney General Barr’s contention that the Mueller report exonerated Trump of collusion or obstruction of justice charges.

https://www.npr.org/2019/04/30/718883130/mueller-complained-that-barr-summary-of-trump-russia-probe-lacked-context

By the common, everyday understanding that most people have of the meaning of the word "collusion", Trump colluded.


05/12/22 10:41 AM #11109    

 

Michael McLeod

If I may just add: which is why the Washington Post isn't giving back its Pulitzer.


05/12/22 04:35 PM #11110    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Perhaps giving back the Pulitzer could be considered a badge of honor.

 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/2015-pulitzer-prizes-jack-shafer-column-117151/   


05/12/22 07:50 PM #11111    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

MM, 

Awards are nice and I am sure some Pulitzers are well deserved. What bothers me the most is that many awards are being issued for mediocrity and we are raising generations of children who are being rewarded for such. A good example is so called "participation trophies".

But such "honors" are not just limited to the young. I occasionally enter photo contests but have stopped doing so for those that have ridiculous rules. One such contest has a voting by any viewers for their favorite pictures. Sounds reasonable to me except that any individual may vote for the same image daily as long as the voting lasts, usually a month or longer.

We are, as a country, not just promoting but celebrating mediocrity.

Any other thoughts on this?

Jim


05/12/22 11:46 PM #11112    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

Larry and Mike this one is for both of you.  Do you remember that before Google, Twitter, Bing and all the rest of the Metaverse we used Prehistoric Googling.  And it worked damn well,, with very little slow downs or service interruptions.

 


05/13/22 03:33 PM #11113    

 

John Maxwell

Dre Jim,
How about the whole concept of awards? What seems to be implied by such things is people need reinforcement of excellence by "expert" peerage. All it does is single out an individual person or group as the "best". Meanwhile all others are considered "losers". To me it's a bunch of hooey. But I have seen award shows and pagents, athletic contests, etc. So, is the real question why do they exist. Most athletic contests are based on elimination. But there can only be one winner. If for some reason society changes its mind about this absurd concept and just appreciate the skill, intelligence, uniqueness of the individual and anything else that appeals. Then I suppose there would be socialistic outcry by those who feel cheated that their desire of a super person to admire would disappear leaving them sad and cull of dispair. Besides awards are just used to make more money. More money for advertisers, TV execs, CEO's and all that can profit. That really enhances the BS factors and creates the most prestigeous award ever, The Intergalactic Award.

05/14/22 11:50 PM #11114    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

An editoriol from todays Wall Street Journal that I found very interesting.

 


05/16/22 01:17 PM #11115    

 

David Mitchell

Thank God for the voices of Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. Kinzinger's "replacement theory" sounds like a winner to me.

The deafening silence you hear is the rest of the Repubilican Party. They are probably busy working on their next speech about defending the 2nd Amendment - or some plan to cut down on the number of voting machines in the South. Why don't they just legalize "fully automatic" weapons. I mean, why limit it to just "semi-automtic" weapons? 

 

Meanwhile the "Left" is marching to defend the "right" for us to toss a few more thousands of babies into plastic trash cans.  

 

In the immortal words of Yakov Smirnoff - "What a country!"

 

 

(new video shows there is at least one "Lyft" driver out there with some balls and a conscience)

 

 


05/16/22 01:36 PM #11116    

 

David Mitchell




05/17/22 12:14 PM #11117    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

"Because conservatives tolerate leftist speech and leftist won't tolerate the right, Twitter opts to censor the right as 'balance'". -Twitter employee

https://twitter.com/i/status/1526336405663776768

 

05/17/22 01:26 PM #11118    

 

Michael McLeod

Just seeing "conservatives" and "tolerance" in the same sentence makes me think there's been a misprint.

Whereas, if you go by the dictionary:

 

lib·er·al
/ˈlib(ə)rəl/
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adjective
  1. 1.
    willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
  2. 2.
    relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
     
     
     
    Meanwhile more from my idol Garrison Keillor, this being the beginning of his new book:
     
     
     
    Chapter 1:

    I flew back home to Minnesota for my best friend’s funeral last spring over the objections of my wife who was leery of COVID, which was raging in Minnesota thanks to anti-vaxxers, many of them devout Christians like my cousins who put up “Prepare to meet thy God” signs along the road and who believed the virus meant a quicker trip to glory but Norm went down from cardiac arrest in his driveway, an easy death. He wanted to go in his sleep, but anyway it was quick. He was a big person in my life and so was his sister Arlene and to skip the funeral out of fear of infection seemed to me unworthy and a denial of reality even worse than the evangelicals’ resistance to medical science so I boarded Delta at Terminal D at LaGuardia and returned to my origins. He died on May Day and it was a shock but not a surprise: Norm always said, when asked how he was, “Never better,” but in March he switched to “Okay” and a few weeks later to “Not bad,” a rather steep decline.

    I rented a car at the Minneapolis-St. Paul airport and drove north to Lake Wobegon and noticed, nearing town, that the “Prepare to meet thy God” sign was gone. I stopped and got out of the car. It lay in tall weeds by a barbed-wire fence. Someone had shot it with a shotgun and the Pre was gone and the stake was busted. I left it lying there but the phrase “Pare to meet thy God” stuck with me. Cut back on excess, trim the nonessential. A good motto for a man nearing 80. Set aside ego and the craving for widespread approval, ditch your bag of stupid regrets, abandon pleasures no longer pleasurable, love your neighbor, and you will find yourself in God’s presence. My cousin Rose, who was named not for the flower but for the Resurrection, sends me a birthday card every year: God is moving the waters. He is bringing this dispensation to a close. We may not be here tomorrow. I pray you are waiting on Him. It’s sweet. To think of someone waiting decades for Rapturization. I do appreciate her interest in me.

    I called Giselle in New York and left a message that I love her and drove into town and noticed the ruins of the EZFreeze. Not much happened in the town of my youth and when something did, my dad would say, “It was the biggest thing since they got the bug zapper at the EZFreeze.” The zapper was a big neon ring under the eave that electro- cuted mosquitos. Now it’s gone, the symbol of progress.

    So is the Lake Wobegon Maternity Hospital, the big white house where I was born in the summer of 1942, which caused no stir at the time nor does the fact that I’m still living. I am here as a result of good luck. As a kid, I stood on the front seat of the car, no seat belt, as Dad drove 80 mph on a two-lane road to get to Bible camp in the Badlands of South Dakota, driving at top speed so we wouldn’t need to stop at a motel. I survived it and also the preaching, which was all about imminent death, ships sinking, car crashes, furnaces blowing up, storms with lightning. We fundamentalists were grim, like people living in a coal mine, but if I looked grim, my cheerful mother would say, “What’s the matter? Did the dog pee on your cinnamon toast?” and that made me smile, and it still does, imagining a dog going to the trouble of getting up on the table to do that. Wobegonians were cheerful stoics and if you asked “How are you?” they said “Fine” unless they were lying on the ground and there was external bleeding. Lighten up. Life is good. It could be worse. Don’t feel sorry for yourself. Winter is not a personal experience: everybody else is just as cold as you are. Take it one day at a time. Make something of yourself. Don’t be a ten-dollar haircut on a 59-cent head. Find out what you’re good at and do it. That was our way.

     
     

05/17/22 03:40 PM #11119    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike.....liberalism is not what is being espoused in the current politically correct culture. 


05/17/22 09:48 PM #11120    

 

David Mitchell

So Mary Margaret,

I guess you are saying that Tuckerio Rose Carlson can spew any kind of cowardly, racist, disgusting, crap, but anyone from the opposition who calls him out is guilty of "hate-speech"?  Give me a break!

I guess he and I have a different idea of what "hate speech" is. Frankly, I liked it better when he was talking about men having their balls roasted with a red light. At least that was funny. 

He sure made a fool out of himself the other night trying to explain how his views are not at all like the kid from Buffalo. Oh, really

 

 

He (and Sean and Laura) still owe an apology to those four Captial policemen whom he belittled, mocked, and humiliated on the air after they testified before congress about their experience defending them at the Jan 6th riots.

Or are we calling that a "patriotic demonstration"?

 


05/18/22 08:15 AM #11121    

 

Frank Ganley

Mike m and Dave m you both are missing all the points of a corrupt administration. Your beliefs that "liberal" are as express in the OWD first the adjective or adverbs as bob applied ointment liberally but to discredit the left that was in todays politically charged atmosphere is completely wrong. Your attacks on Trump are irritatingly boring. He has been out of office almost two years but you liberals are still claiming he mounted an insurrection on the Capitol. Why is it trump called up 20000 guardsmen but Pelosi ordered them to stand down. You proof is thin and searching. What about all the riots over the past two summers of bond and antifa staged riots. Countless killed, injured and cities destroyed by this group of liberals but no you claim they were peaceful assembly's yet no one has been arrested, investigated, or incarcerated! Why is that? Why has" hunter the idiot not ban prosecuted even with proof of Biden the criminals involvement. You all make me sick. Constantly throwing buckshit at us as if we're the gospel according to mike and Dave with aid from John. Your intolerance of any fact or argument that those who support the constitution , free speech and fair and honest elections. Oh I know that was investigated by Dems. Why wereJim Jordan and other republicans ousted from the jan6 committee. If you are so sure of that the last presidential election was fair why have the Dems failed to open their books but at the same time want to see trumps tax returns. Screw that I want to see all of Congress income. I want term limits and the left start to try to curb inflation and gas. Oh I forgot it is trumps fault. Bullshit and you know it. How is your gas, your groceries oh I almost forgot baby formula a dire shortage unless you go to the border and see it stockpile for illegals. You libtards go on spouting your lies and you crooked belief system. Turn us into Venezuela because boys and girls we are on our way and for the most of you you don't speak Spanish


05/18/22 12:04 PM #11122    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

Frank did you by chance overlook Post # 11114 regarding Baby fromula?

 


05/18/22 01:28 PM #11123    

 

John Maxwell

OMG!
I've entered the Twilight Zone. I was down at the street picking up the trash that litters my little bit of grass that grows between the curb and sidewalk bordering my woods. As I was out there a pickup truck drives by and the driver honked the horn. As I turned to look at the heavily bumper stickered cap on his truck bed with the myraid of Trump/Pense, NRA slogans and other conservative speak stickers I couldn't help think about how my actions of picking up the trash seemed conservative in nature. Does this mean that I am a conservative? Or am I confusing conservativism with conservation? Cleaning up the environment and keeping my property neat in appearance. Just then out of the driver's side window came a wad of trash. Fastfood wrappers drink cups, etc. I instantly thought, what a liberal jerk, tossing his trash out willy nilly like it was his God given right to foul the environment and insult the earth! Why would he or she do that? Did they think it was funny? Then I thought about the 'Pure Michigan' slogan that was adopted by the Whitmer administration followed by the irony that ensued. I didn't know this person who obviously believed he or she was entitled to use the street as their personal dumping site for their garbage, but then I thought maybe this is how it should be. Just don't care about any consequence of an indiscriminate action like tossing trash out of one's vehicle. I guess they figured I'd pick it up and dispose of it for them. Perhaps the thought of a true conservative? "Oh let someone else pick up my trash." I did pick it up and put it in my trash can I keep by my driveway. So perhaps it was someone who may be physically or mentally incapacitated enough not to handle it themselves. Glad to help. It's amazing the trash I find in that patch of grass sometimes. The road hasn't been improved for over twenty years. The potholes are so deep that I swear I've seen Chinamen sticking their heads out of them. The road commission's idea of road repair is a few shovels full of fresh asphalt piled a few inches above the rim of the holes, to be mashed down by the traffic. Probably a solution come up by some republican politician with financial ties to the Venezualan oil industry. They are the largest producer of asphalt as a by-product of their oil. The problem is the "repair" to the road is fleeting as the holes return deeper and wider in a week or so as the stone and tar lift out of the holes and are strewn about in the grass and gutter in big chunks. A couple times a year I shovel up as much of this stupidity and public funded waste and dump it in my driveway, thus saving the cost of several yards of crushed limestone from the local landscape supplier. Over the years I've recovered tons of stone and tar covered rock providing me with a smooth driveway. Since I've lived here I've worn out three wheelbarrows.
Since I have not the savvy to post photographic documentation on this site I will try to post my video of the Pothole Rhapsody on the facebook site. Enjoy.

05/18/22 02:37 PM #11124    

 

Michael McLeod

when I see people say "politically correct" I always wonder: what's wrong with being correct?

when they say "woke" like it's a bad thing I always think being awakened is a good thing.

Oh and there's libtards. And sheeples.

I know so many bad words and insults for liberals but I swear I can't think of any commonly used derogatory slang words for conservatives.

Clue me in so I can use a few.

 

 


05/18/22 03:25 PM #11125    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike.... try mysoginist, racist, sexist, homophobe, Trumpster, tea-bagger, extremist, conspiracy-theorist, basket of deplorables, bitter clinger.    "Ultra-Maga" being currently used over and over the past couple of days by Biden. 


05/18/22 03:43 PM #11126    

 

Mark Schweickart

I mentioend before how I had never heard of this musical group OK Go, but since then I have enjoyed several of the mind-blowing visual efforts that they have come up with (that totally overshadow the original song it is supposed to be enhancing, but who's complaining).  Here's one where they traveled to Russia to get a ride (well, several rides over a two week period I think it was) on the Russian version of the Vomit Comet, the high-altitlude aircraft that can make an up and down parabola-shaped flight pattern that induces 27 seconds of weightlessness per each parabola-shaped maneuver.



Here's a video explaining how they did it:




05/18/22 05:14 PM #11127    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

RE: baby formula 
https://fb.watch/d56OCtMCE1/


05/18/22 07:03 PM #11128    

 

Michael Boulware

I would like to thank Fred Clem for organizing the Watterson class of 1966 monthly lunch. We had a group a wonderful friends gather, everyone shared laughs and smiles,; we had a great time at Massey's in Graceland. Present were Dave Roesch, Fred Clem, Mike Del Bianco, Bill McCray, Brian McNamara, Chuck Kaps, Al Morse, Bill Lehner and me. Looking forward to the next one.


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