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03/06/22 02:28 PM #10748    

 

David Mitchell

For those of you who have not yet found a site to contribute to Ukraine relief, I have a few suggestions.

My MARKED MEN FOR CHRIST group has the following site for contributions to a team of our members who are in Berlin and on the Polish border.

https://pushpay.com/g/markedmenforchrist

They are renting vehicles to transport people out, and supplies back in to the border. Apparently our Ukrianian group of MMFC members            (I would guess about 230 guys - inclduing young 30-something pastor Sergei, whom I met at a leadership conference in Colorado a few years back) is spread out in several cities in Ukriane. It is my understanding that our leadership group is in touch with most of them, but not all.

You can also find sites on the Anglican Relief Fund site and I am certain there are Catholic sites - and others - to do the same.

JUST DO IT ! 

 


03/06/22 02:46 PM #10749    

 

David Mitchell

Cool idea - love this story.

I am too old and technologically challenged to know how to use Air BnB, but my kids use it.

So Air BnB users all over the world have booked over 61,000 bookings in Air Bnb inns throughout Ukraine - with no intention of actually going there to use it. It has placed $1.9  million into the hands of needy Ukrainian Inn keepers.


03/07/22 01:16 AM #10750    

 

David Mitchell

M/M,

You have me there. He was at Davos - years ago.

But it does not change my comment about the video comment about Fauchi.

"Crimes against humanity" is still an utterly ridiculous charge.


03/07/22 09:15 AM #10751    

 

Frank Ganley

You do not have to be informed about anything to know something is not right with gas prices !!! Mine is approaching $4.50 granted that is for high test but regular is not far from it. We were energy independent up till the day that Biden closed down the keystone pipe line and all the coal mines in west by god and Pennsylvania. We are now buying oil from Russia !!!! I hope e ask remember the stink of hunter the dumb when he set up a shill energy company with Russia and the Ukraine and realized huge profits for himself, merry soon and pelisi's soon all because they all had huge involvement in the Obama administration. All the high paying jobs lost, ask the revenue and taxes lost just so these theives could enrich themselves in thisthis mad  scheme to profit. Is Oblabla and Brandon complicit in this, well you tell me what the evidence shows, why won't the fbi release the information on hunter the stupids laptop. And Brandon says to combat these high gas prices with " just buy an electric car " As far as foul chi goes his involvement in testing some kind of flesh e eating bug on beagles who has there vocal c cords cut so they didn't have to hear the painful barks ,  this a crime against all that is good and holy. And for what was the purpose????  


03/07/22 09:15 AM #10752    

 

Frank Ganley

You do not have to be informed about anything to know something is not right with gas prices !!! Mine is approaching $4.50 granted that is for high test but regular is not far from it. We were energy independent up till the day that Biden closed down the keystone pipe line and all the coal mines in west by god and Pennsylvania. We are now buying oil from Russia !!!! I hope e ask remember the stink of hunter the dumb when he set up a shill energy company with Russia and the Ukraine and realized huge profits for himself, merry soon and pelisi's soon all because they all had huge involvement in the Obama administration. All the high paying jobs lost, ask the revenue and taxes lost just so these theives could enrich themselves in thisthis mad  scheme to profit. Is Oblabla and Brandon complicit in this, well you tell me what the evidence shows, why won't the fbi release the information on hunter the stupids laptop. And Brandon says to combat these high gas prices with " just buy an electric car " As far as foul chi goes his involvement in testing some kind of flesh e eating bug on beagles who has there vocal c cords cut so they didn't have to hear the painful barks ,  this a crime against all that is good and holy. And for what was the purpose????  


03/07/22 09:15 AM #10753    

 

Frank Ganley

You do not have to be informed about anything to know something is not right with gas prices !!! Mine is approaching $4.50 granted that is for high test but regular is not far from it. We were energy independent up till the day that Biden closed down the keystone pipe line and all the coal mines in west by god and Pennsylvania. We are now buying oil from Russia !!!! I hope e ask remember the stink of hunter the dumb when he set up a shill energy company with Russia and the Ukraine and realized huge profits for himself, merry soon and pelisi's soon all because they all had huge involvement in the Obama administration. All the high paying jobs lost, ask the revenue and taxes lost just so these theives could enrich themselves in thisthis mad  scheme to profit. Is Oblabla and Brandon complicit in this, well you tell me what the evidence shows, why won't the fbi release the information on hunter the stupids laptop. And Brandon says to combat these high gas prices with " just buy an electric car " As far as foul chi goes his involvement in testing some kind of flesh e eating bug on beagles who has there vocal c cords cut so they didn't have to hear the painful barks ,  this a crime against all that is good and holy. And for what was the purpose????  


03/07/22 10:27 AM #10754    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

I worry that forum readers are tiring of political postings, but since no one wanted to move controversial material to the User Forum, I will continue the debate.  I found this graph illuminating, especially as I heard today that Biden is sending a delegation to Venezuela and possibly Saudi Arabia to ask for oil. Venezuela.....really? Chavez and Maduro turned their once prosperous nation into third world status and we reward them by begging them to help us.

Perhaps it can be explained to me why it is okay with the administration that these countries can produce enough oil to export, but the U.S. cannot permit the fossil fuel industry in the U.S. to make us energy independent, as we became under the previous administration.  And further, why does no one reports on all of the regulations Biden put in place to discourage companies from using the 9,000 permits to continue drilling..  

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03/07/22 11:24 AM #10755    

 

Michael McLeod

You guys are a bunch of gasbags today. No surprise here. I was shellshocked last time I filled up and as I stood there watching the dials spin as my jaw gradually dropped I thought: this will surely pop up as discussion material on route '66. 

I'm just grateful that I don't do much driving these days. Years ago when the state was less populous and more polite I drove all over Florida chasing down stories. No more of that, thank goodness. 

And it's not just the gas craziness that makes me happy I'm sitting here rather than battling my way through the freeways and toll roads out there.  For one thing the older I get the crappier my reflexes are, so it's a public service for me to stay home and do most of my stories via phone interviews. The college where I teach is just five miles away; another bonus. The girlfriend's house and the grocery store, a breakfast place and an axe-throwing pub I frequent --  right down the road.

Such is my aged orbit - or spiral, as the case may be.

Gas prices aside -- and I don't know what it's like in Ohio or wherever anyone else is living -- but in this state the traffic is hellish; people are meaner; and cops can't keep up with enforcement. Has anyone else noticed more and more people driving with tail lights out? Once you couldn't get away with that for long, they'd stop you. I see that little detail as a sign of how frayed the overall fabric of things in general are these days.

All in all I'd rather stay put. So there is my four dollars and fifty five cents worth.  (Actually it's 3.99 around the corner from me but that's on the way up I am sure.) 

And once again I am struck by the difference in generations. During World War II people surely complained but they also pitched in and took on sacrifice for the common good and the cause. Victory gardens, scrap metal collections. We're so damn privileged. Whether the threat is a terrible war or the threats to the planet, all we think of is how inconvenient things are to us.

Oh, and Frank: You can say that again. 


03/07/22 09:13 PM #10756    

 

Michael McLeod

Have you ever noticed yourself humming a song and then realized, with a start, that your subconscious has slipped it into the rotation as an appropriate soundtrack for the timeframe you find yourself in, either personally or given current events?
Recently I caught myself singing a David Bowie masterpiece from way back when, inspired when he noticed a scene of lovers at the Berlin Wall:
"We could be Heroes."
My lord that is a song for any day or any time. But particularly for this day and time.
 
 
 

03/08/22 09:00 AM #10757    

 

Michael Boulware

Mike McLeod, I love reading your posts. Your insights concerning Zelenskyy were informative and inspirational. Harold, your poem sure pointed out the need we have in our country to have more affection for each other. The need to compromise is crucial, but nonexistent in our society at this time. We better change this.

 


03/08/22 09:05 AM #10758    

 

Michael McLeod

Hey Mike:

much as I'd like to take credit for it, that Zelinski piece, as I noted at the top of the post, was not written by me but was a gorgeously written passage from the new yorker. 


03/08/22 09:13 AM #10759    

 

Michael Boulware

Mike, I see that now. I wanted it to be by you, darn


03/08/22 11:43 AM #10760    

 

David Mitchell

Some awfully interesting comments coming out about Comrade Trumpski these last few days from John Bolton - wow! "Trump was a moron who thought Finland was part of Russia" - and many other scary statements.

And some wacky statements from William Barr. I heard part of his unteview yesterday - "Trump is an unhinged maniac, and he should not be the party's nominee - but if he is the nominee 'll vote for him. "

Make up your mind Bill. 


03/08/22 02:58 PM #10761    

 

David Mitchell

Mike,

You are brilliant!  

Ax throwing has to be the greatest idea since sliced bread. 

It would be perfect for our next reunion. Conservatives on one side and Liberals on the other. And those of us slow witted "in-betweeners" (like me - who dislike everybody) stand in the middle. (or maybe not)

Okay class,,, ready,,, set,,,,,,, throw!  

 

MEDIC !


03/08/22 04:56 PM #10762    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

What scares me and my family is a President and an administration who do not care about the lives of middle America.  We see what is coming down the road.....misery and poverty for lower and middle class families.  With no path to opening up America's oil drilling capabilities and banning importing Russian oil, our President is running to other dictators to buy their oil with our tax dollars.  I ask....how is it that only Americans drilling for oil presents an evil environmental disaster, but not so every other oil rich nation?  The President's actions are killing the economic stability of American families.  If compassion for our fellow man is the desire of all, then ignoring the devasting effects of rising gas prices on families least able to bear the financial burden here at home should be of primary concern. All along the supply chain the rising gas prices are going to filter down to the consumers of all goods and services.  It doesn't take a college educated person with a PhD to figure out that there will be not only be shortages of gas to run your cars and heat your homes, but shortages of food and medicine as well.  Venezuela anyone?  Cuba anyone?  But then again, maybe that is the goal.. 


03/08/22 07:15 PM #10763    

 

Thomas McKeon

Well stated Mary Margaret.  I cannot understand what people are thinking this is the worst case scenario an American can see.  If someone can explain what our government is doing I'd love to hear it.  This is absolutely insane.


03/08/22 07:36 PM #10764    

 

Michael McLeod

Mike: Not half as much as I wanted it to be by me!

Dave: If you're ever back down this way again this is right around the corner. I'll treat:

https://winterparkmag.com/2021/12/31/two-surgeons-with-an-axe-to-grind/

 

 

 


03/08/22 08:32 PM #10765    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

MM, 

I, like Tom McK, totally agree with your last post. It is non-sensical to think that the environment is safer if we buy oil from other countries - some of which are our enemies - than producing our own. And I suspect our oil is cleaner and our workers are paid and treated better.

I fully realize that the days of paying 29.9 cents per gallon, like we did at Bill Murray's Pure Oil station on High Street in Clintonville (remember that place?) back in the early "60's are long gone. However, the rate of rise and the absolute cost of gasoline today is unconscionable and adversely affecting all facets of life.

As you and Tom have asked, I would also like to hear why this is being supported by the current administration. Is it to discourage Americans from driving, heating their homes, buying goods transported by trucks ("If you've got it, a truck brought it")? Perhaps those who voted for President Biden and therefore his policies, can offer some good, logical reasons for imposing such hardships on the American people.

Maybe they can change our minds.

Jim

 


03/09/22 08:30 AM #10766    

 

Michael McLeod

Jim: Because it's the right thing to do.

 


03/09/22 09:21 AM #10767    

 

Frank Ganley

Mike mc please explain "it's the right thing to do "!!!!! What is right thing to do, freezes out the poor, make solo transportation unaffordable so people must use public transportation, chop wood and heat their homes with firewood, eat what's left in the shelves or change their backyard from play areas to a share groper farm, or subsist on government subsidies like food stamps! ??? These hardships are being endured right now! No long can you ask for $2.00 of regular, everything in the grocery store is either a empty shelf or hamburger at 10 bucks a pound, milk is more expensive than gas! Is this to force us into a global market or become a communist country like Russia, cuba, Venezuela or other like it! We will see such an increase in crime, the rise of gangs and bring back the mafia that will control everything! I think that this is the goal of the government so that they can control everything. We've allowed them to dictate over medical care, transportation, farming what next will they want control of? Banks!!!! Every red cent will be control by government, they will eliminate all cash!!!! The only way to purchase anything is by a federally issued debit card! Your wages automatically deposited into a national holding company so they can see every transaction that you make. There will be no "side with" done in your home! Where you now "have a guy" who fixes your electric, plumbing, remodeling etc where you pay them a greatly reduced rate for their services on the weekend. Forget about the neighbor boy who mows your lawn for $10 bucks or the tens to babysit your kids so you can go out! No more food trucks at events, of which will become non existent. Your home will be made into a common house where you will take in boarders because you have extra space for them! Do you realize that in cuba your car is a non paid for taxi! If you drive you must take passengers and you do it free. With the government controlling the money they can only pay in government debit cards. This is what is coming! Everything that you worked hard to build will not become theirs, if you thought hope disgusting LA's tent cities were bad, get ready. Defend your property, no way mean old Uncle Sam will come into your home and search for anything contraband and seize it. Think of all the things now that they tax, booze, gas, grocery, anything and everything will be under their control!!! Our founding fathers mothers and children fought and died so we would be free of all this!!! You elected this, you supported this and if you didn't (voted for trump) you were hated, ridiculed, and castigated for your choice other than their! Is this what you want? I don't! It's not for us of our age as not much other than rising prices but for our children and grandchildren. E are bringing back hitler, Stalin and Mia for our leaders. TV, radio, internet will be government control! Mike Mc your writing will be controlled! I am in a 3 day suspension from commenting on Facebook. And that suspension was enacted almost as soon as I pushed enter! Think someone is watching you? Where will this end.a cheval war with no uniforms, riots in the streets, cities turning into detroit, LA, chicago, Philadelphia or Baltimore! Nice I can't wait to live in that world which you voted for!


03/09/22 09:52 AM #10768    

 

Michael McLeod

Frank:

It'll take roughly a year to recalibrate the supply chain. You and Jim and your gas guzzlers can get by. Think of it as a test run for the oncoming and inevitable shift in the overall energy scene.

If you want to worry about a communist threat, be practical about it and worry about Putin pushing the button.  

Wanna stay up all night staring at the ceiling?  Here you go. This, from The Altantic:

 

When we talk about what causes climate change, we usually talk about oil and gas, coal and cars, and—just generally—energy policy. There’s a good reason for this. Burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide, which enters the atmosphere, warms the climate, and … you know the drill. The more fossil fuels you burn, the worse climate change gets. That’s why, a couple years ago, I spent a lot of time covering the Trump administration’s attempt to weaken the country’s fuel-economy standards. It was an awful policy, one that would have led to more oil consumption for decades to come. If pressed, I would have said that it had a single-digit-percentage chance of creating an uninhabitable climate system.

But energy is not the only domain that has a direct bearing on whether we have a liveable climate or not. So does foreign policy—specifically, nuclear war.

Since Russia invaded Ukraine two weeks ago, that threat has become a lot more real: Many Americans, including artists, climate-concerned progressives, and even a few lawmakers have come out in support of a “no-fly zone.” But despite its euphemistic name, a no-fly zone means that NATO and the United States issue a credible threat that they will shoot down any enemy plane in Ukrainian territory. This would require U.S. bombing runs into Russian territory to eliminate air defenses, bringing the U.S. and Russia into open war, and it would have a reasonable chance of prompting a nuclear exchange. And it would be worse for the climate than any energy policy that Donald Trump ever proposed.

I mean this quite literally. If you are worried about rapid, catastrophic changes to the planet’s climate, then you must be worried about nuclear war. That is because on top of killing tens of millions of people, even a relatively “minor” exchange of nuclear weapons would wreck the planet’s climate in enormous and long-lasting ways.

Consider a 1 megaton nuke, reportedly the size of a warhead on a modern Russian intercontinental ballistic missile. (Warheads on U.S. ICBMs can be even larger.) A detonation of a bomb that size would, within about a four-mile radius, produce winds equal to those in a Category 5 hurricane, immediately flattening buildings, knocking down power lines, and triggering gas leaks. Anyone within seven miles of the detonation would suffer third-degree burns, the kind that sear and blister flesh. These conditions—and note that I have left out the organ-destroying effects of radiation—would rapidly turn an eight-mile blast radius into a zone of total human misery. But only at this moment of the war do the climate consequences truly begin.

The hot, dry, hurricane-force winds would act like a supercharged version of California’s Santa Ana winds, which have triggered some of the state’s worst wildfires. Even in a small war, that would happen at dozens of places around the planet, igniting urban and wildland forest fires as large as small states. A 2007 study estimated that if 100 small nuclear weapons were detonated, a number equal to only 0.03 percent of the planet’s total arsenal, the number of “direct fatalities due to fire and smoke would be comparable to those worldwide in World War II.” Towering clouds would carry more than five megatons of soot and ash from these fires high into the atmosphere.

All this carbon would transform the climate, shielding it from the sun’s heat. Within months, the planet’s average temperature would fall by more than 2 degrees Fahrenheit; some amount of this cooling would persist for more than a decade. But far from reversing climate change, this cooling would be destabilizing. It would reduce global precipitation by about 10 percent, inducing global drought conditions. In parts of North America and Europe, the growing season would shorten by 10 to 20 days.

This would prompt a global food crisis the world hasn’t seen in modern times. Corn, wheat, and soybean yields would all decline by more than 11 percent over five years. In a slightly larger conflict—involving, say, 250 of the world’s 13,080 nuclear weapons—the oceans would become less bountiful; the photosynthesizing plankton that form the basis of the marine food chain would become 5 to 15 percent less productive. In the case of a U.S.-Russia war, fishers worldwide would see their catches decline by nearly 30 percent.

And even though the world would get cooler, the nuclear winter resulting from a full-blown global conflict (or even “nuclear fall,” as some researchers prefer) would not reverse the effect of what we might morbidly call “traditional” human-caused climate change. In the short term, the effects of ocean acidification would get worse, not better. The layer of smoke in the atmosphere would destroy as much as 75 percent of the ozone layer. That means that more UV radiation would slip through the planet’s atmosphere, causing a pandemic of skin cancer and other medical issues. It would affect not just humans, either—even on the remotest islands, the higher UV rates would imperil plants and animals otherwise untouched by the global carnage.  

Nowadays, we don’t tend to think of nuclear war as a climate problem, but concerns over these kinds of dangers were part of how modern climate change achieved political prominence in the first place. During the 1980s, a set of scientists raised the alarm about the effects of a nuclear winter and of the growing “hole in the ozone layer.” As the Stanford professor Paul N. Edwards writes in A Vast Machine, his magisterial history of climate modeling, these environmental issues taught the world that the planet’s entire atmosphere could come under threat at once, priming the public to understand the risks of global warming.

And even before that, climate science and nuclear-weapons engineering were twin disciplines of a sort. John von Neumann, a Princeton physicist and member of the Manhattan Project, took interest in the first programmable computer in 1945 because he hoped that it could solve two problems: the mechanics of a hydrogen-bomb explosion and the mathematical modeling of Earth’s climate. At the time, military interest in meteorology was high: Not only had a good weather forecast helped secure Allied victory on D-Day, but officials feared weather manipulation would become a weapon in the unfolding Cold War.

The worst fears of that era, thankfully, never came to pass. Or at least, they haven’t happened yet. It is up to us to make sure that they don’t.

Outside of the direct effects of the bombs themselves, the full effect of a nuclear exchange could be even worse. If several years of gasoline- and diesel-fueled conventional military operations followed the global destruction, then the permanent consequences for the climate system would be even worse. That would also be true if society tried to rebuild by undertaking a fossil-powered reconstruction—and that would very likely be the case. The ruins of our postwar society would be poorer, and fossil reserves are the easiest energy sources to locate. Renewables, wind turbines, and other decarbonization technology, meanwhile, require secure factories, highly educated engineers, and complicated global networks of trade and exchange. They depend, in other words, on everything that peace provides. Solving climate change is a luxury of a planet at peace with itself.


03/09/22 12:01 PM #10769    

 

Daniel Cody

What you oil guzzlers coveniently ignore is that ovet 900 permits have been issued to drill for oil to private companies.  But don't let the facts get in the way of an innacuarate cheap political shot.


03/09/22 12:15 PM #10770    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Dan, 

Permits to drill are nice but the trick is finding the oil itself. That is the hard part!

Jim


03/09/22 01:50 PM #10771    

 

David Mitchell

  Dan,

 

Thre you go again - always clogging up this Forum with your incessant posts. You made me recall a scene from "Treasure of Sierra Madre". 

FACTS?  We don' need no stinkin' FACTS !

Hearing all this (well orchestrated) crying about gas prices makes me wonder if we really know what hardship is. Perhaps a stroll down Khreshchatyk, the main street of downtown Kiev, would remind us of what "hardship" really is. 

Yeah, we could increase our domestic production somewhat, and we should. But for now this gas sanction action is for a slightly higher purpose - to castrate this Russian hog. (You might have actually seen something about it in the news recently.)

Okay, so lets address another far more serious inflation problem - that NOBODY ever talks about -  the cost of housing. Safe to say that is at or near the top of the chain in average American living expenses. Far more than gas prices.

First a refresher on an old law of economics called "Supply and Demand" - or that topic that bored so many of us for 2 to 4 years of "ECON" classes at our favorite higher learning centers - from OSU, to Notre Dame, and John Carroll, Dayton, Ohio Univ.  - all the way to my little University of Denver. (Oh, but the young lady I had for my Econ 2 class was quite a hot babe - I made sure to sit near the front row every day. I'm almost ashamed to say that I still recall the names Robert Heilbroner, Milton Freidman, and Paul Samuelson, but not her name.) 

Put simply, the Law of Supply and Demand says that when you increase pressure (up or down) on one or both sides of this equation, it drives the price of the commodity up or down. In a Free Market Economy (something we all claim to love, though rarely is allowed to exist) prices should seek their own level based on - say it with me now - Supply and Demand.

Now, when you add "incentives", like say a tax incentive for the purchase of an item - say for example, a house, you INCREASE the demand side of the equation. And if the supply remains constant, this force will drive the price upward. Back in the late 1800s, (and revised again in 1913) Congress instituted a tax deduction for the interest portion of a mortgage payment. ** An Idea many Economists disagree with. The intent was to incentivise Americans to buy and own homes - a good thing, we alll agree. But that incentive (pushing Demand) has, over time, added greatly to the Price of a home. In just my lifetiem, I have seen this price pressure on houses I have bought, (in one real case of a house I once owned near the campus of the of Denver) go from $24,000 to about $750,000. This would have been great (for me) if I had held onto the property. By the way, I did not - oh drat.

(the stories I could tell about Dad buying two lots in Vail in 1962, and then me buying lots in Telluride and Steamboat in 1972 - but could not hold onto them - still give me nighmares.)

But along the continum of time, this now becomes a problem for a new home buyer - say, my own children.

What would have happened if instead of this "Socialist Subsidy" (which is the ony place in all 2,000 odd pages of our tax code that makes the subsidy greater, the richer you are - up to a recently revised limit of $750,000) which it is, if we had allowed purely "Free Market" supply and demand to have it's effect.Research shows that costs would never have risen at such a high rate of increase. By the way, in my 30 odd years in various real state carreers, my fellow Realtors have argued till they are blue in the face about this, ("it's a Republican standard"), until I ask them if these inflated price conditions are good for their children to buy a home in? 

(I know, I know, never end a sentence with a preposition)

And you are all aksing, "well we can't just cut it out overnight". Of course we can't, but we could back it out incrementally - say 4% of the deduction over 25 years - or maybe even 2% over 50 years. so as not to collpase the housing market. We did this (in five years) with credit card interest back in the 70s or 80 and nobody cried.

I could go on about 2nd homes (real socialism for the rich if you saw the $20 million "second homes" down here on Hilton Head). And I could add a discussion about the "Equal Credit Opportunity Act" granting women the right to qualify for a mortgage - A  GOOD THING in my mind - but not both spouses - giving them an uncompetitive advantage over all Single, Divorcees, and Wiowed buyers. (note: the housing shortage for single moms is a growing crisis in this country). If the wife is a brain surgeon and the Hubby is a ditch digger, use her income - but not both!

And lasty, the growing problem of large hedge funds and corporate buyers getting into vast holdings of single family homes should be very regulated or completely illegal. Homes are for human beings to live in - period!

*** So my point is that you who are complaining about a new cost of living "hardship" out to look a little deeper into the historical FACTS of our own investment into this Socialist economic system of price pushing incentuives. A "Socailist tax law that Republicans have loved and embraced for years. 

Added later: About 20 years ago (my guess), conservative Republican Dick Army of Texas, a US Representative and Economist went on a speaking "tour" to try and get some of the deduction on Mortgage Interest reduced (or removed?). If memory serves, he was laughed out of the venues where he presented the idea and gave up the tour. Some of the most vocal complainers were Real Estate agents. 


03/09/22 02:07 PM #10772    

 

David Mitchell

And don't even get me started on another great Republican Socialist idea - the enormous tax "incentives" for advertising. 

Can you honsetly tell me that Jim Nance is worth $9 million a year to sit and call golf matches and seasonal weekend NFL games - while your grandkids are being taught by people making $34,000 a year?

 

p.s.

(don't get me wrong, I have met and driven Jim Nance twice and he is one of the nicest guys on the planet.)


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