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03/02/22 03:01 PM #10724    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike...the "snark" was in reference to you once again using the very tiring denigration of any information because of .....you know "Fox News".  Additionally, your comment, "the philosphical stance implied in your post  - that we ignore the most horrendous international assault on humanity in recent years" is an unfair insinuation that because I question the advisability of diverting our very limited and stressed CBP from our porous southern border, that that somehow equates to an inhumane desire by me to see Ukranian people suffer.  Now, that is what is beyond belief.  There are other means to help the Ukranian people, and Elon Musk made a huge gesture to do just that. 

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/F9D5467E-EEC9-4AEC-9156-73C5957CFE57

https://www.judicialwatch.org/dhs-disperses-illegal-immigrants/


03/03/22 12:05 PM #10725    

 

Michael McLeod

MM:  I know you are a compassionate person and I apologize for implying that you are not.

My core dispute is not with you.

It is with Fox. You may think of it as a legitimate news outlet. It's not. I could spend my days picking apart their lies but I don't have the time and it's not going to change your mind. What you dismiss as snark is symptomatic of my continuing disgust - and frankly, amazement -- that a news outlet can make lots and lots of money by distorting the truth again and again and again so long as they play up to the preconceptions of their base.

Here are a couple of the recent, nastier examples. After spending 50 years of my life as a journalist who plays by the rules, I think I'm entitled to be snarky now and then - if that's what you want to characterize it when I call bullshit on their lies.

And no, not everybody does it. Fox does. Systematically. Everybody slants the news somewhat, sometimes, though legitimate outlets use a system I recognize and use myself to minimize closet thinking and let the reader decide. Fox takes slanting beyond slanting to what can frankly be called propaganda, and to an obscene extreme (and occasionally they get caught at it.) 

On Oct. 12, 2020, Fox News agreed to pay millions of dollars to the family of a murdered Democratic National Committee staff member, implicitly acknowledging what saner minds knew long ago: that the network had repeatedly hyped a false claim that the young staff member, Seth Rich, was involved in leaking D.N.C. emails during the 2016 presidential campaign. (Russian intelligence officers, in fact, had hacked and leaked the emails.)

Fox’s decision to settle with the Rich family came just before its marquee hosts, Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity, were set to be questioned under oath in the case, a potentially embarrassing moment. And Fox paid so much that the network didn’t have to apologize for the May 2017 story on FoxNews.com.

Here's another, in progress:

Dominion Voting Systems' lawsuit against Fox News is moving forward, despite the cable juggernaut's efforts to derail it. In mid-December of last year, the Delaware Superior Court ruled that the defamation case against Fox would not be dismissed, despite the channel's request. What's in question is Dominion's allegation that Fox News trafficked in propaganda on behalf of former President Trump, falsely alleging that the election was stolen and that Democratic voters engaged in massive voter fraud. Dominion has also targeted other right-wing media outlets on a similar basis, including Newsmax and One America News, claiming they indulged in a "barrage of lies" against the company by falsely implicating it in participating in voter fraud.

Despite the channel's categorical denial of wrongdoing, it's been clear for some time that Fox News engaged in all types of unfounded speculation about election fraud. I document the various ways the outlet did this in my new book, "Rising Fascism in America: It Can Happen Here." For example, in the aftermath of the 2020 election, Fox News host Mark Levin hosted Kenneth Starr, the former special prosecutor who spent years investigating Bill Clinton. Without presenting evidence, Starr accused Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf, a Democrat, of engaging in "illegal" and "unconstitutional" acts by counting supposedly fraudulent votes. Lou Dobbs called on Trump to take "drastic action" in relation to the former president's rhetoric about fraud. For Dobbs, that included the Supreme Court reversing the electoral college votes in swing states that cut toward Biden. (Needless to say, an issue well outside the court's, or the president's purview.) Tucker Carlson speculated about voter fraud by claiming that "dead people" voted "in large numbers." Numerous other Fox hosts, including Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro and Maria Bartiromo, linked Dominion to similar claims of fraud. 

 

 

 

 

 

03/03/22 02:40 PM #10726    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike, apology accepted.  You may also be pleased to know that God often intervenes in my posting.  For example, sometimes when I approach the end of my comments and I am ready to hit submit, some mysterious incident occurs where I suddenly find myself on "classmate profiles" or "prayer requests", completely deleting all of my brilliant smileycommentary.  Today was such a time, so if you are a gambling man, I would say Lady Luck is on your side and maybe there is a winning lottery ticket waiting for you somewhere!  Anyway, I am just going to add this bit of information which I believe proves that what we read, listen to, watch and consume is controlled in some way, shape or form by a very limited group of very powerful and wealthy entities who have their own agendas.    

Mainstream media is largely owned by two asset management firms: BlackRock and Vanguard. Vanguard and BlackRock are the top two owners of Time Warner, Comcast, Disney and News Corp, four of the six media companies that control more than 90% of the U.S. media landscape.  BlackRock and Vanguard form a secret monopoly that own just about everything else you can think of too. In all, they have ownership in 1,600 American firms, which in 2015 had combined revenues of $9.1 trillion. When you add in the third-largest global owner, State Street, their combined ownership encompasses nearly 90% of all S&P 500 firms.


03/03/22 05:37 PM #10727    

 

Michael McLeod

Well if you have God on your side I guess I'm lucky to get a word in edgewise. I just hope She's not a fan of Fox news because if She is I'm really in trouble now.


03/03/22 09:11 PM #10728    

 

David Mitchell

I heard a reasonable explanation today by a retired American general who once headed NATO. He acknowledges the risk of nuclear weapons if we put a "No Fly Zone" over Ukraine, but he suggests a "No Fly Zone" over just a portion of western Ukraine, giving us some room to manuever and get weapons and equipment into the country. Now that the Russians have bombed a Ukrainian nuclear plant that has caught on fire, and are on the verge of destroying a huge hydro-electric damn, I can't see how we can wait much longer to get involved with our NATO Air Forces. 

Frustrated.

 

-----------------------

And this story (pictured below) appeared in today's news. You probably have all seen it. I am praying for much larger crowds of protestors at home in Russia - enough to overwhelm the Police. The videos of those (brave) Moscow police arresting the five kids (ages about 7 to 10)  for placing flowers on the Ukrainian Embassy gates, and also arresting a 70 year-old woman protestor is enough to make me sick.

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03/04/22 09:44 AM #10729    

 

John Jackson

MM, your previous post about Blackrock and Vanguard’s ownership of media companies is a gross overstatement, no doubt fueled by the oceans of right-wing misinformation that Mike alluded to in his previous post.

Blackrock is the largest investment company in the country with Vanguard a close second.  Since they manage so much money, it is inevitable that they will hold large amounts of stock in major American corporations (for example, any company in the S&P 500).  But they own way less than your post suggests.

According to public records, for example, Blackrock owns 4.23% of Comcast and Vanguard owns 8.3%.  Time Warner is no longer a separate company and is owned by AT&T, but Blackrock owns 6.9% of AT&T and Vanguard owns 8.4%.

These are certainly large holdings, but nowhere near controlling interests.  And Blackrock and, especially Vanguard, are relatively passive investors who rarely try to affect the policies of the companies they (partly) own.  Vanguard is especially passive because most of its assets are tied up in index funds which track the performance of major stock indexes.  These index funds have no choice but to buy stocks of companies so their funds' composition exactly matches the composition of, for example, the Dow or the S&P 500.

I didn’t research Disney because it’s not really an opinion maker. 

Both Vanguard and Blackrock are also similarly large shareholders in News Corp (founded by Rupert Murdoch and parent of Fox News).  But their stake in News Corp/Fox News disproves your insinuation that these investment companies have an ideological bias that favors the mainstream media or that they invest in media companies as a way to infiltrate them to control the news that we see.

                        


03/04/22 10:48 AM #10730    

 

Michael McLeod

If I can just add something, John.

When I was a young writer a grumpy old editor once told me something that I thought was a silly cliche. Eventually I realized they were words of wisdom that have stuck with me ever since.

He said: "A good journalist has a firm grip on the obvious."

We tend to overlook the things that are right in front of us.

And something that is obvious about the information that beseiges us on a daily basis is that some of the producers of that information are simply vested in getting the truth out and other have an axe to grind.

And if you track back the rampant disinformation people are subjected to to the source of that disinformation, you'll see very clear patterns.

Such as the ones you just pointed out.


03/04/22 11:23 AM #10731    

 

Frank Ganley

To the left side of the room> you are all correct in your assumptions that Fox is incorrect in all of their broadcasts if you believe that everything on everyother news outlet is correct. The catch 22. It is all in the eye of the beholder who is right or wrong. All the lawsuits back and for are perpetracted by lawyers. They all, no matter who they work for have one job and that is to work hard at keeping thier jobs either with the broadcast station or the media outlet that employs them. To assume that all of Fox news, hosts, and contributors are spewing lies, one must assume that all of cnn,cnbc et al are completely correct and spot on with all of their stories broadcasts and hosts. Now if we look at some of the rating the left side is lagging to say the least in keeping up the those on  the left would put it,  disgusting Fox people. This back and forth as to who's right and who's wrong is contributing to the devisiveness that our country is suffering from. Yes in days gone by the winner was the winner and as President Jackson so aptly put it, " to the victor deseves  the spoils. True but then Karma comes into play. for example the dems passed a rule that only a simple majority is needed in most cases, it was passed when the dems were in the mojority. But whe the GOP took over Oh woe is me the dems cried as simple majority came back to bite them. If you think the GOP is going to let the Justice sit on the higheet court in the Land, dreamers all. What the dems did to the last three nominees was painfully unjust. To lo\ok back on a persons high school hijinx such as they did and their witness had no recolection other that HE was there, is ludicris. I know I wouldn't want that much scrutiny applied to my highschool conduct or those that I associated with.  IN CLOSING, we all have incredibly strong views on what is going on in the world, our country, our religion etc. People have stopped frienships, brothers and sisters have taken sides against each other. Trueky a cival war without uniforms! Can we patch this up? Can we erase this sort of disgust for one  and go on. 6 years so far we have wasted an incredible amount of energy on hating each other over stupidity and rejoin in the fascination of each other. Such as Mike M how did you become a jouralist then teacher. Dr Jim , how did you get to colorado, Dave M why didn't you continue fly helos after you got out, tremedous pay with big companies, Inquireing minds want to know that . we know a lot about how you voted now lets find out about you!


03/04/22 11:32 AM #10732    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Good idea, Frank.

 


03/04/22 12:59 PM #10733    

 

Harold Clark

That's a lot of assumptions. You all the assumtion bit. By the way, not assuming, but based on the post, you know little to nothing about karma.

03/04/22 01:57 PM #10734    

 

Michael McLeod

It comes and goes, Frank.

The world in general is pretty stirred up right now and that gets me combative and charged up in terms of writing.

I was an english major and was going to teach literature, but then I got drafted, and when I got back there was a glut of teachers so I switched to journalism.

but I always like the idea of teaching and never let it go and over the years wound up bouncing around the country, writing magazine stories, columns, movie reviews etc. for four newspapers: in order, the middletown journal, the pensacola journal, the cincinnati enquirer, and the orlando sentinel - and taught part time at ohio state, university of central florida, southern indiana university, valencia community college, and rollins college.

Basically I've bounced around all over the place. Did not find a woman I could love - actually did not evolve as a human being with enough emotional availability to really love someone - until I was in my 60s. Kind of ashamed of that, but grateful I eventually pulled out of the dive.


03/04/22 04:11 PM #10735    

 

Michael McLeod

This quote says it all. Just imagine it:

 

03/04/22 08:37 PM #10736    

 

David Mitchell

My Baltimore Catechism taught me, "Thou shalt not lie". I've tried to stick to that. 

My Dad always said, "There are more than 2 sides to every coin".                     (or was it, "more than 2 ways to skin a cat"?)  

My current pastor called me out for "always wearing my heart on my sleeve".      (I do that proudly.)

Sister Norbertine used to answer my (incessant) algebra questions , "Michael, (she always called me Michael), You're thhhlow to grasthp. But once you get it, you never forget it." (up untill a few years ao, she was right)

My natural curiousity causes me to always dig beneath the "surface". (to just read one more article before I decide). Or listening to more than one news outlet isn't miselading, confusing, or disloyal - it's fascinating.

Army Captain Larry Liss, (my first instructor pilot in Primary Flight School out in Just-West-of-Nowhere, Texas, used to beat me on the back of the helmet and scream into the intercom, "You idiot, We can teach baboons to fly, but we can't get them to call base." (calling the tower on our "base turn" during landing proceedures). 

Father Foley used to hand me my grade card, pat me on the back, and say "Mitchell, You're a fine man. I don't know what for, but you're a fine man."

I'm simple minded, slow, old-fashioned, stubborn, and conservative. 

 

And somewhere along the way, I developed this funny aversion to whore-mongering draft dodgers who brag that they have "been in so many vaginas, that I feel like a "brave soldier". Or call the single most diabolic, dangereous threat to mankind, a "genius".


03/04/22 08:56 PM #10737    

 

David Mitchell

P.s. 

Oh, and I'm lazy!

I once got so lazy about holding both feet on my pedals in the cockpit, that when I realized I could drop my right foot on the cockpit floor (most of the time), I did it all the time - lazy!

 

 

Sure glad I developed such a lazy habit. Had a day where I would have lost my right ankle if I weren't so lazy. Both feet would normally be extened forward onto those two pedals. Got in the "lazy" habit of dropping that right foot.

 

 

 

 

 

Angle shot - Lazy Pilot - Thank ya' Jeesus!

 


03/05/22 09:38 AM #10738    

 

Harold Clark

i am sorry i interupted with my word omited post.  the only excuse i have is that i was in icu with the boss(wife).  here is one of my 5 daily mantras.  "

"the mantra of unification".

the sons of men are one and i am one with them.

i seek to love, not hate.

i seek to serve and not exact due service;

i seek to heal, not hurt.

 

let pain bring due reward of light and love.

let the soul control the outer form,

and life, and all events,

and bring to light the love

that underlies the happenings of the time.

 

let vision come and insight.

let the future stand revealed.

let inner union demonstrate and outer cleavages be gone.

let love prevail. let all men love.

 


03/05/22 10:11 AM #10739    

 

John Maxwell

Dave, nice photo of where you put your feet. But, where is the ashtray and cup holder?

03/05/22 12:21 PM #10740    

 

Michael McLeod

A fond memory:

 

After Senator Jim Inhofe threw a snowball on the Senate floor to try and disprove climate change, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse had the perfect response: "You can believe every single major American scientific society or you can believe the senator with the snowball."


03/05/22 01:18 PM #10741    

 

David Mitchell

Jack,

We actually had some guy that hung some rubber dice in his cockpit. 

 

And one of our fun jokes was when someone in our "flight" would actually sing out over the air, a few bars of;

"I don't care if it rains or freezes,,,,

     long as I got my plastic Jesus,,,,

On the dashboard,,,, of my Loach."

 


03/05/22 04:17 PM #10742    

 

Michael McLeod

From The New Yorker:

 

At the most consequential hour in Europe since the collapse of the Soviet Union, as a vengeful and erratic autocrat invades Ukraine alluding darkly to the scale of his nuclear arsenal, a comedian has assumed the role of Winston Churchill. Volodymyr Zelensky, the President of Ukraine, has relied largely on his voice to inspire his country’s resilience. The greater part of a dispirited and fractured world has also responded to his call.

Vladimir Putin’s attempt to conquer Ukraine, to depose its democratically elected government and absorb the state into his imperial, mystical conception of a Russky Mir, a Russian World, is in its early stages. The assault has already resulted in thousands of deaths and a colossal refugee crisis. Yet the first days of the onslaught exposed weaknesses in the Russian military. Some accounts may prove inaccurate, but it is clear that Ukrainian soldiers and armed civilians have shot down Russian helicopters, destroyed Russian tanks, and generally slowed Putin’s effort to overwhelm the main cities in a few days.

Zelensky has galvanized his people through the clarity of his language. Churchill, in his essay “The Scaffolding of Rhetoric,” wrote, “Of all the talents bestowed upon men, none is so precious as the gift of oratory. He who enjoys it wields a power more durable than that of a great king.” Churchill employed the wireless, using blank-verse cadences to rally the will of his fellow-Britons and his foreign allies. Zelensky employs a smartphone and the simplest rhetoric to assert his presence on the front line. “Ya tut,” he told his fellow-Ukrainians as he stood on the street in Kyiv. I am here. From his bunker in the capital, he described a Russian missile strike and civilian casualties to members of the European Parliament with such ringing force that even the English-language interpreter could not contain his emotion.

Zelensky is an unlikely tribune. He grew up in Kryvyi Rih, a rough steel city in the southeast where thousands of Ukrainians, particularly Jews, were killed during the Nazi occupation. A mediocre student, he led a comedy troupe called Kvartal 95, and, in 2015, helped develop a sitcom called “Servant of the People.” And here is where the postmodernism kicks in: Zelensky played the role of Vasyl Holoborodko, a high-school teacher whose life changes when he goes on a tirade about corrupt politicians. A student films him and the video goes viral. His plaintive honesty strikes a chord in the Ukrainian people and . . . he is elected President.

“Servant of the People” was an unabashedly broad comedy, more Benny Hill than Noël Coward, and it was a hit. After a few seasons, it occurred to Zelensky that fiction might be realized as fact, that the character he was playing on television just might be what his country required. “I started out making fun of politicians, parodying them, and, in so doing, showing what kind of Ukraine I would like to see,” Zelensky told Joshua Yaffa, in The New Yorker.

In 2019, Zelensky got a great deal more attention than he ever wanted when Donald Trump, with all the finesse of a Mafia don, called to ask for a “favor”: Dig up dirt on Hunter Biden’s business dealings in the Ukrainian energy business or the U.S. would hold back hundreds of millions of dollars in military assistance. It was hard not to recall that thuggish request, a pivotal piece of evidence in Trump’s first impeachment hearings, when the former President declared, last week, that Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was “genius.”

 

Prior to the war, Zelensky’s popularity had declined. Oligarchs continued to exert influence on Ukraine, not least in media. Just before the invasion, he seemed at odds with President Biden, who insisted on making public the intelligence estimates about the imminence of an attack. Zelensky preferred to minimize the prospect of war. But, when the tanks rolled, Zelensky began delivering his message to his people: he would never abandon Ukraine. “He has a performer’s sixth sense of what people want—he feels their approval or disapproval,” Igor Novikov, a former adviser, said from his home in Kyiv. “In a time of crisis, he is a lens that channels the energies of the people into a single beam of light.”

There should be no illusions. Even the most penetrating rhetoric is not an anti-missile defense system. Kharkiv, Mariupol, and other cities are under bombardment. Russian troops have attacked nuclear power plants. What mercy is Putin likely to extend to Kyiv? Precedent is no comfort. Twenty-two years ago, he annihilated Grozny; thousands of civilians were killed. And he has never seemed as inflamed as he does now.

In contrast to Zelensky, Putin is increasingly disconnected and delusional. His high approval ratings are inflated by incessant propaganda, coercion, and the projection of national stability through bare-chested strength. Having taken note of the world’s tepid reaction to his military adventures in Georgia, in 2008, and in Crimea and the Donbas region, in 2014, Putin carried out this operation with seemingly serene confidence. He clearly believed that he could rely on the modernization of his armed forces and on distraction, weakness, and division in his enemies. He was mistaken.

The complex of economic sanctions thrown at Russia are hardly symbolic. The ruble has dropped sharply. To forestall a colossal sell-off, the Russian stock market was closed all of last week. Swiss banks froze many Russian accounts. Germany abandoned its cautious postwar posture, increasing its defense spending and moving to reduce its dependence on Russian energy. The International Olympic Committee, the various soccer bureaucracies, and countless corporations—entities rarely known for their moral bravery—have coöperated in sanctioning Russia.

Thousands of Russians, particularly among the urban élite, anticipate the end of a tolerable existence and are leaving for Georgia, Armenia, Turkey, and beyond. Those who remain in Russia––the vast majority––are likely to find themselves living in an isolated and profoundly more authoritarian country, perhaps under martial law. “The state is falling apart right before your eyes,” Misha Fishman, one of the lead broadcasters for TV Rain, Russia’s last independent television station, said.

The only person capable of putting an end to the invasion is the man who instigated it. An optimist would point out that, with at least a small number of energy executives and oligarchs voicing displeasure, Putin may be vulnerable to a revolt. But, in the short run, he will do everything he can to suppress dissent on the streets and among his cronies and satraps. Zelensky knows this only too well. His is a voice not only of inspiration but of stark realism. “It’s not a movie,” he said. Spoken like a man who knows that he may not live to celebrate the liberation of the country he has sworn to defend. ♦


03/05/22 10:34 PM #10743    

 

David Mitchell

For anyone with a memory longer than last month, you will recall I took the JoBi side of the argument towards not adding to the "pipeline" or even more "North Slope oil.

Ask me if I would recant those opinions now?

Yes!  (some of them)  

I wouldn't give in on adding to the tar sands production at $40 or $50/ barrel. But at $100 /barrel, it changes the equation considerabley. North slope oil does too, although repairs still need to be made to the pipeline. And more natural gas terminals wouldn't hurt. (But I am still frightened of the "collateral damage from "fracking".)

For a limited period of time we need to cut off Russian oil purhcases - now!

I'd even give some credence to President Joe Manchion's coal proposal (though I have not heard all the details).

 

We have to break this bastard!

And partial "no-fly" can't be far off. Ukrainian pilots can fly those older Russian Migs sitting just across the border in Poland. 

Praying (against all odds) for a "Russian Spring".

 


03/06/22 10:53 AM #10744    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Gas was $3.99 yesterday in Columbus...friends in Massachusetts paying $4.29.  My friend said diesel fuel went up $.50 in one day.  Conservatives on this forum will most likely appreciate this comedian's routine on the WEF.  
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G3nWyoQ5CQ


03/06/22 11:55 AM #10745    

 

David Mitchell

Just to clarify;

I am not making my "oil production" comments because I don't like the price of gas. That to me is a small sacrifice.

I am making those comments to urge us to castrate this Russian Jackass! 

 


03/06/22 12:22 PM #10746    

 

David Mitchell

Mary Margaret,

Your video is one of those stories told so often told where people mix some truth with pure bullshit, and expect the average uninformed reader (or listener) to accept the entire contents, hook, line, and sinker.

I also strongly disagree with the Socialist theorist Klaus Schwab, but  ".........Anthony Fauci, who is currently involved in crimes against humanity". 

Gimme a break!  

(Wouldn't it be more accurrate to say,,,,,,,Ron DeSantisimo-screwball-imo is involved in crimes against innocent high school "photo-op" kids?)

 

p.s.

Your film clip showed Biden in the front row at Davos (sitting near Leonardo). If I am not mistaken, JoBi did not go to Davos. 


03/06/22 02:26 PM #10747    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Dave....the video did not state Biden was at Davos since being President, but he was there more than once while VP. https://youtu.be/D1-4WsevjUs  As for flip-flop Fauci - feel free to believe what you will about him.


03/06/22 02:28 PM #10748    

 

David Mitchell

For those of you who have not yet found a site to contribute to Ukraine relief, I have a few suggestions.

My MARKED MEN FOR CHRIST group has the following site for contributions to a team of our members who are in Berlin and on the Polish border.

https://pushpay.com/g/markedmenforchrist

They are renting vehicles to transport people out, and supplies back in to the border. Apparently our Ukrianian group of MMFC members            (I would guess about 230 guys - inclduing young 30-something pastor Sergei, whom I met at a leadership conference in Colorado a few years back) is spread out in several cities in Ukriane. It is my understanding that our leadership group is in touch with most of them, but not all.

You can also find sites on the Anglican Relief Fund site and I am certain there are Catholic sites - and others - to do the same.

JUST DO IT ! 

 


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