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03/01/22 10:10 AM #10700    

 

Mark Schweickart

MM -- Boy do I feel stupid! For some reason I was thinking that the list of names deserving a BWHS plaque was honoring them for some sort of alumni "service" to the school, instead of the more obvious meaning: "service to their country." What an idiot! 

And Mike -- Thanks to MM's explanation, I now also see what you meant about your name being misspelled. Yesterday was not my day. Sorry. 

I guess I should have kept my snarky comments about apostrophes to my self, and not have interrupted the adult conversation about climate change and the tragedy in Ukraine. Sorry folks.


03/01/22 10:57 AM #10701    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

John, please do not denigrate my arguments by referring to "right-wing" sources. This is a constant mantra that you and others often use to shut down any debate about the content contained that deviates from the progressive narrative. I do believe that the NYT and the Washington Post have been caught promoting false and misleading information.....e.g. the four year Trump/Russia collusion story.  As for leaving policy changes to the "experts" is to deny individuals the right to use their own common sense, intellect and deductive reasoning to question matters that directly impact their personal lives.  Also, I have corrected the post to provide the links. I am taking note that you did not refer to the statements from the "experts" in their own words about what the climate change agenda is really all about.   

Mark, do not worry about not knowing about the BWHS memorial plaque.  Not everyone reads the forum every day and it is easy to have missed a post when checking in. smiley  


03/01/22 11:13 AM #10702    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

John,

 I look at this Forum as a place where we all can discuss many topics as well as our opinions on certain issues that interest us. It is not a scientific paper or a research article where we must document a series of references to whatever we write or experience. It is obvious that just about any position any of us take on these "hot button " topics can be supported by someone's published data. And we mostly tend to favor or believe the published statements that support our own beliefs. You, of course, are free to quote whatever you like and I am free to offer my opinions based on my experience, observations and training.

By the way, medicine is just a part of life sciences and what I studied as an undergraduate in college has taught and guided me to observe, study and have a pretty good appreciation of earth and life on it. So, based on that, I will continue to offer my opinions on certain topics here on the Forum. One thing that never ceases to amaze me is how well the human body can heal under many, but not all, circumstances. Applying that to the earth also works for me.

The devistating Hayman human caused wildfire of 2002 destroyed a massive area of forest less than an hour's drive from our home. Periodically over the past 20 years I have driven into that wasteland of black toothpicks which were once stately pines and aspens to photograph their recovery. The progress is astonishing. It will be well beyond my death when that process is completed and then another fire may strike and the cycle will begin again.

That is life. That is earth. 

My opinion, of course.

Jim


03/01/22 11:19 AM #10703    

 

Michael McLeod

I always wonder how climate scientists feel about being ignored even though they keep producing overwhelming, objective, Nobel Prize winning research that supports the reality of perils to the planet that some want to blithely overlook.

Now I know how some of the scientists feel. This story is about three of them who have adopted a radical strategy given how long they've been ignored. It sounds kind of crazy but I can't blame them.

Oh, the story below ran today in the New York Times. Which, of course, specializes in lying, right? So you might as well put your fingers in your ears and go lalalalala and ignore it, right? Or you could google "disinformation and climate change" to see who the real liars are, and what it is they have at stake.

In the meantiime here's the story about beleagured environmental scientists:

 

Sometimes, Bruce C. Glavovic feels so proud to be an environmental scientist, studying coastal planning and teaching future researchers, that it moves him to tears.

Other times, he wonders whether any of it has been enough. Scientists have proved beyond doubt that climate change is transforming the planet for the worse. Yet their work has mostly failed to spur governments to address the issue. When all the signs are telling scientists that their research is not being heard, it is tragic, Dr. Glavovic said, that they just keep producing more of it.

“We’ve had 26 Conference of the Parties meetings, for heaven’s sake,” he said, referring to the United Nations global warming summits. More scientific reports, another set of charts. “I mean, seriously, what difference is that going to make?”

It was this frustration that led Dr. Glavovic, 61, a professor at Massey University in New Zealand, and two colleagues to send a jolt recently through the normally cautious, rarefied world of environmental research. In an academic journal, they called on climate scientists to stage a mass walkout, to stop their research until nations take action on global warming.

Predictably, many researchers balked, calling the idea wrongheaded or worse — “a supernova of stupid,” as one put it on Twitter. But the article gets at questions that plenty of climate scientists have asked themselves lately: Is what we’re doing with our lives really making a difference? How can we get elected officials to act on the threats that we’ve so clearly identified? Do we become activists? Would we sacrifice our credibility as academics, our cool composure, by doing so?

Dr. Glavovic says he believes a pause on research would give his fellow researchers a chance to think, really think, about how best to use their skills in the slender window humans have left for altering the planet’s trajectory. “The clock is ticking,” he said.

Climate change has a way of making everyone feel at once very small and bothersomely large — big enough to worsen the problem, too tiny to stop it. Climate scientists devote so much of themselves to the issue that their unease can run deeper.

For scientists of many kinds, the coronavirus pandemic has fueled the sense that scientific experts and political authorities are uneasy allies at best, that distrust and misinformation have weakened society’s capacity to work toward complex collective goals.

 

These thoughts were percolating as Dr. Glavovic worked alongside nearly 270 other experts on the latest report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations body that assesses climate research. The new report, all 3,675 pages of it, was issued on Monday and concludes that global warming is outpacing our ability to cope.

Each I.P.C.C. assessment is a huge, multiyear effort by researchers and representatives from 195 governments. Every line, every chart, is fine-tuned to ensure it is backed by evidence. The hours are long; the work is unpaid. The panel, which shared the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007, has given global climate talks a crucial grounding in scientific fact. But its reports deliberately do not prescribe policies for governments to enact. They just lay out the options.

To Dr. Glavovic, the panel’s efforts made clear long ago what the world needs to do. He thinks everybody’s time and energy would be better spent making sure it gets done.

“My involvement with I.P.C.C. has been a defining feature of my life for the last five to six years; I’ve slept, drunk, eaten I.P.C.C.,” Dr. Glavovic said. “It’s been an absolute privilege.”

Still, he has decided not to take part in the panel’s next assessment. And he wants his fellow scientists to join him.

Few seem ready to do so, though many have similarly weak faith in government action. The journal Nature surveyed dozens of scientists who worked on another recent I.P.C.C. report. Sixty percent said they believed the planet would warm in this century by at least 3 degrees Celsius compared with preindustrial times, much more than current international targets. A similar share said they had experienced anxiety, grief or other distress related to climate change.

As the oceans rise, forests burn and carbon dioxide levels continue their upward march, even scientists who do not want to go on strike wonder how much longer they can keep serving as impartial, soft-spoken brokers of data and evidence.

 “Our first recognition must be that that doesn’t seem to work,” said Wolfgang Cramer, another author of the new I.P.C.C. report. “That doesn’t seem to be enough.”

Scientists in any field want their work to have an impact. Most of them are not up against some of the most powerful political and economic forces on the planet.

Like doctors, climate researchers tend to develop “some psychological protection, some form of emotional withdrawal,” said Maria Fernanda Lemos, an I.P.C.C. author in Rio de Janeiro. “Otherwise, it would not be possible to carry out this work.”

For Iain White, a professor of environmental planning at the University of Waikato in New Zealand, a feeling of futility swept over him when he looked up the concentrations of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere at different points in his life.

It was about 330 parts per million in 1973, the year he was born; roughly 350 in 1988, the year the I.P.C.C. was created; and pushing 370 around the turn of the millennium.

“I came to the conclusion that it would go up every year until I retired,” Dr. White said. “It was just an incredibly depressing thought.”

Scientists do not talk enough about the emotional toll of researching planetary calamity, he said. “You do hear examples of grief, and people choosing not to have children, and all those kinds of things which you wouldn’t have really thought about 20, 30 years ago, but are now fairly mainstream.”

Timothy F. Smith, 50, a professor of sustainability at the University of the Sunshine Coast in Australia, said he and his colleagues had long wrestled with doubts about their work: “Is it worth continuing if we’re not having the impact that we need?”

And so, in early 2020, Dr. Smith, Dr. White and Dr. Glavovic met up in the seaside town of Tairua, New Zealand. Their plan was to sketch out a joint research project. Instead, they pondered why it was so hard for any research to make a difference. They concluded that withholding that research, and halting I.P.C.C. assessments, was scientists’ best hope for prodding elected officials to act.

Dr. Glavovic traces his willingness to take a stand to growing up as a white South African under apartheid, a system he came to detest. In his 20s, he risked jail time by requesting to be a conscientious objector to conscription.

When the three professors submitted their call for a walkout to top scientific journals, there were few takers.

“None of us had ever had so many rejections,” Dr. Glavovic said. Eventually, their article was published in the journal Climate and Development.

 


03/01/22 11:26 AM #10704    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

It seems that Jim has stepped up to post his comments on the climate change debate while I was reading the following linked article. 

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/03/the_strategic_threat_from_netzero_emissions_.html  

 

"Climatologists perpetrated a grave error of physics in 1984 when they borrowed feedback method from control theory in engineering physics without understanding it. They forgot the Sun was shining. They added the large solar feedback response to, and miscounted it as part of, the actually minuscule feedback response to the small direct warming by greenhouse gases. Thus, they overstated CO2-driven warming fourfold. After correction, global warming will continue to be, as it has long been, small, slow, harmless, and net-beneficial. Not a cent need or should be spent on attempts – futile in any event – to abate it."

 


03/01/22 11:32 AM #10705    

 

Michael McLeod

Mark:

Believe it or not all those errors in the Pete Best story are computer misreads. I caught some but not all of them when I retrieved the story.

You'll notice that story ran many years ago, at a time when all that was available to readers was the printed newspaper. (I can't recall when publications became available, routinely, online. And it boggles my mind to remember when I wrote stories on an electric typewriter, and when they were edited the pages were rolled up and put in a container the size of a thermos, and then dropped in a pneumatic tube that whooshed them down to the composing room). Anyway it was a big deal when we had a computer system of our own, and typing paper was eliminated from the newsroom, and then years later we had an internal system, not available to subscribers, where our stories could be filed away on line. But at that time the technology that transfered all the old the print stories to computer storage was primitive and quirky and would leave out quote marks, apostrophes, etc. - just odd little things that had not been programmed in yet. And so when I go back now and look at stories that are now on line and unchanged, after all these years, from those days, I will often find all these glitches, and it takes forever to go back over them and fix them.

I'm no computer guy so that's the best explanation I can give you. But my god it took forever to explain it. All I can say is: I can assure you that the story was clean as a whistle when it ran in the newspaper way back when. Any mistakes I made were caught by an eagle-eyed copy desk.

So I don't blame you for picking up on those errors and you're not being snarky.

Meantime  I have piles and piles of old magazines and newspapers from decades of writing that have been mouldering in a closet for years and that I am getting rid of and replacing with online files.

And that story about Pete Best is just one of them. 

 

 

 


03/01/22 12:42 PM #10706    

 

John Maxwell

Wow! It boggles my puny mind to see the wasted passion re climate. Aka the weather, has been with us every day of our existance upon this planet. Weather has center stage in our lives. It's truly curious. Could our interest be left over from our centuries on the farms growing food for a constantly growing population. The need for an accurate prediction system has brought forth a myriad of technologies. Humans have tracked weather, compiled data, created unique ways to determine what is going to happen in certain regions of the world. But still the local weatherpeople rarely get it right. One thing for sure, the weather is constantly changing...and a sure sign of old age is talking about the weather. Ya can't avoid it. Several years ago I witnessed my first cloudburst. In the smalltown of Westland I was parked in my car at a mall. It was drizzling a little bit, when all of a sudden the sky turned dark grey and fell. Literally tumbled to the ground. It was a circular pattern of hundreds of tons of water falling all at the same time. It was like a water bomb. About a thousand feet in diameter. the trees around the perimeter were knocked down away from the center of the event the noise was deafening and the force was like standing at the base of a giant waterfall. KA-BOOOM! This was a an event I've witnessed only once. I have been in monsoon rains, and tropical thunderstorms, blizzards, and droughts, but nothing ever came close to what happened that day in Westland, Michigan. From beginning to end was less ths ten seconds. Anybody else ever experience anything like that?

03/01/22 02:00 PM #10707    

 

Michael McLeod

I don't think it's wasted passion jack. I mean maybe it is if you look at it selfishly, as in we're not going to be alive to live with the consequences of our inaction anyway. But I'd like to think the species is on the road to overall improvement. That would include picking up after itself, a task at which we've done a lousy job so far. Be nice if we set an example. As it stands right now there's a pretty good chance future generations will look back at us as all those assholes who produced a lot of plastic wrappers and drove around the planet in gas-guzzling, fume-spewing vehicles.

 

 


03/01/22 02:14 PM #10708    

 

Monica Haban (Brown)

Just got an email from one of my many cousins, and good friend, Julie Castrop.  She's a retired pediatrician living in Maryland.  She's creating an autobiography of sorts, called Storyworth, for her niece.  One of the questions asked who she went to her prom, St. Joseph Academy with in 1966.  She knew it was Stan Kronenberger, from our class.  She asked if I knew what he was doing now etc.  I have no clue, but promised her I'd try to find out!

Stan, if you're on this forum, or if someone knows, please let me know, and I'll let her know ! 

Storyworth is the new website that gathers our autobiographies, then prints them in a book, before we croak !  

Gracias.

 

 


03/01/22 02:21 PM #10709    

 

Michael McLeod

I did see stan last time I was in columbus but that was years ago.

Meanwhile I find this little morsel of news interesting, given recent comments here by people who don't want to be lumped into a category (as in "liberal" or "right wing") and/or are suspicious of news sources, either traditional or otherwise.

My significant other swears by this search engine, not because of her philosophical leanings but because it keeps online merchants and their algorithms from tracking her:

 

Right-wing Americans and conspiracy theorists have increasingly embraced fledgling and sometimes fringe platforms. Now, many are ditching Google for the small, privacy-focused search engine DuckDuckGo — and putting search engines in a difficult position.


03/01/22 06:17 PM #10710    

 

David Mitchell

Monica,

About 25 years ago Stan walked intio my short north Antique shop and we had a great chat. He then explained that they lived in Mansfield and his wife's father was the American distributor for "Antiquax" a special British type of wood furniture polish. He came back a second time and brought me several cans of the stuff. I do not recall what he has been doing since school. Always one of the nicest guys in our class.

I saw him several times later - once sat with him at Reunion #40 (?) - and again for a few minutes in Peggy Southworth's driveway at her wonderful get-together in Columbus a year of two after #50. I think they were still living in Mansfield.

A funny story. About 1972, after I had returned from Vietnam, was married, and returned to school at the skiing and hockey power of American Universities, the Univ. of Denver (and a classmate of Condi Rice), I was sitting at a table in the new business school library. Out of the blue walks Stan and DAN Brown (sorry, not Mike). It took me about a second to realize that it was really them walking toward me. I was stunned! They sat and chatted for a while. I completely forget why they were there but I don't think we ever saw each other again in Denver.


03/01/22 07:41 PM #10711    

 

David Mitchell

..........meanwhile back at the (elephant in the room) ranch.......

Part of a quote from Pat Robertson a day or so ago.

(I swear I am not making this up. It's all part of the "end-timers" predictions for Israel) 

“People say that Putin’s out of his mind. Yes, maybe so,” Robertson told viewers. “But at the same time, he’s being compelled by God. He went into the Ukraine but that wasn’t his goal. His goal was to move against Israel, ultimately.”

 

And maybe this is even scarier;

From the intrduction to the White Nationalist convention a few days ago, (where Crazy girl Greene spoke in person and sicko Paul Gosar by video), If you don't want to wade through the "trash" to get to the crazy part, go forward to about 1:05 on the timer, and then stay with it for a minute while Nick Fuentes leads a cheer for Russia.

Wake up America!

- - in response Mitt Romney replied ,"I've got morons on my team." Bless him.




03/01/22 08:00 PM #10712    

 

David Mitchell

DuckDuckGo - good suggestion Mike.

 

 

And Jack,

Interesting observation about climate.

By the way, how's your weather up there these days?

 


03/01/22 10:20 PM #10713    

Lawrence Foster

I subscribe to "This Day In History" and today they posted a story about the bombing of the U.S. Capitol on March 1, 1971.  A couple weeks after that I was on spring break at Ohio State and took a week's vacation from my nightshift job at Riverside Hospital to go visit my oldest brother and his family in northern Virginia.  He was stationed at the Pentagon at that time and so I would drive with him to work and then take his car and go into DC and be a tourist. 

Below is the link to the story from "This Day In History" and then there is the photograph I took of the bombed out section of the building.  There are boards on the 4 windows in the photo and braces supporting the wall.  The damage was wider than what is seen in the photo.  Just thought I would share this visual piece of history to go with the story.   

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/bomb-explodes-in-capitol-building?cmpid=email-hist-tdih-2022-0301-03012022&om_rid=ca1505c6b5f724f110afe910dc70b8b09125814c010ab30059d2feb0df08fe84

 


03/02/22 12:44 AM #10714    

 

David Mitchell

Holly Saints of Wales, I almost forgot yesterday was St. David's Day, my patron Saint of Wales. 

We'll need a few verses of "Bread Of Heaven" - sung in churches, pubs, and of course soccer matches.

(Also known as "Guide Me Oh Though Great Redeemer", or "Cym Rhonda")




03/02/22 08:15 AM #10715    

 

Michael Boulware

Instead of complaining about exercising clean air standards; just do it. It does not hurt. Those who deny global warming can't deny that recycling, less polutants in the air, not littering, and using less non-renewable energy helps us all.

Instead of being an anti-vaxer; just get the harmless shot, it is painless with the thin needles we currently use. There is nothing to lose but the chance of avoiding the virus or lessening its effect. 


03/02/22 09:16 AM #10716    

 

Michael McLeod

Excellent, stirring, on-the-money state of the union address last night. My compliments to good old sleepy Joe, to use a characteristic slur of a particular previous pre-pubescent prez. I wasn't sure Biden would be up to the moment but he was, enough to send a message to his Russian counterpart with just the right tone.  I hope Putin is enough of a student of history to bear in mind one of my favorite quotes from WW2, courtesy of our old pal Yamamoto:

"I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant." 

And while we're on the subject of historic, call-to-arms quotations - from the news today:

"In the cause of freedom, the world has found in Volodymyr Zelensky its most Churchillian figure in decades. “I need ammunition, not a ride” — the Ukrainian president’s spirited reply to an American offer to spirit him to safety — is a line for the ages."

And don't even get me going on the subject of just how horribly the psychotic soviet sycophant would have handled this situation if he'd been reelected. My lord did the world  ever dodge a bullet on that one.

Not that the bullet has been dodged. Far, far, far from it.

By the way, accuracy compels me to add this note: although it was widely circulated in the years after ww2, there's a longtime debate over whether Yamamoto actually said that sleeping giant thing. 


03/02/22 11:23 AM #10717    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

In other news:

Nearly $9 million in Zuckerberg grant funds has been found to have been directed solely to five Democratic strongholds in Wisconsin violating the state’s election code’s prohibition on bribery in but one of many troubling findings in the following report.  According to the report, Priscilla Chan and Mark Zuckerberg providing financing that allowed the Center for Tech and Civic Life to offer nearly $9 million in “Zuck Bucks” to Milwaukee, Madison, Racine, Kenosha and Green Bay counties. In exchange, the “Zuckerberg 5,” as the report called the counties, in effect, operated Democratic get-out-the-vote efforts. Those grant funds then paid for illegal drop boxes to be placed in Democratic voting strongholds.

Non-citizen and incapacitated citizens also remained listed on Wisconsin’s voting rolls, in violation of the law, according to the report. Because some non-citizens qualify for driver’s licenses, the law requires non-citizens’ names be removed from the master roll, but that was not done, according to the special counsel

https://legis.wisconsin.gov/assembly/22/brandtjen/media/1552/osc-second-interim-report.pdf

Meanwhile, rather than protect our own southern border,  Biden  has plans to divert border agents from U.S. southern border and send them to ‘assist’ with Russia-Ukraine conflict. Last month, Border Patrol agents apprehended nearly 154,000 border crossers. Roughly 2.1 million border crossers and illegal aliens are expected to arrive at the southern border this year. Since October, according to Fox News’s Adam Shaw, about 220,000 border crossers successfully crossed into the U.S. via the southern border, undetected by Border Patrol. In January, alone, the Biden administration released more than 62,500 border crossers and illegal aliens into the U.S. interior. Border Patrol agents have blasted Biden’s policies, which they say have made illegal immigration close to unmanageable.


03/02/22 11:26 AM #10718    

 

Michael McLeod

Well mm, if you heard it from Fox news that's good enough for me.


03/02/22 11:44 AM #10719    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

A little morning snark, eh Mike?  Maybe you will believe the DHS and CBP.

DHS reports 153,941 migrant encounters in January, almost doubling Jan. ‘21 (78,414) and more than quadruple Jan. ‘20 (36,585). DHS also reports 62,573 migrants were released into U.S. just last month alone (January 2022).

Customs and Border Protection (CBP) announced last week that there were 153,941 migrant encounters in January 2022. In January 2021, there were 78,414 migrant encounters.


03/02/22 11:56 AM #10720    

 

Michael McLeod

It's that "successful crossings" I'm pointing out. Show me those 200,000 immigrants here in the us of a and I will retract my objection.

And, more to the point, mm, the philosphical stance implied in your post  - that we ignore the most horrendous international assault on humanity in recent years - is just beyond belief.

if you dismiss that as snark there's not much I can do.

Both humanitarian crises - I hope that is the plural of "crisis" - are incredible challenges for our country. Can we not address both humanely?

I nominate this as our fight song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yISNT2wUmwA

 

Hope that tempers and dilutes whatever snarkiness I introduced, or blood-pressure meds, including my own, I may have subverted.


03/02/22 12:18 PM #10721    

 

David Mitchell

A "wall" will treat the effects, but not the cause. If my family were being harrassed, threatened, beaten up, raped, or even shot, I damn sure want to be getting out of there too. We seem to be burying our heads about this problem.

Call me radical but if we are not going to get involved with troops in Ukraine, what about joining some of our forces with Mexican Marines in tactical encirclements of drug cartel hideaways? I mean with vast outnumbering forces and simply wipe out the cartell leaders home bases - one cartel at a time. Helicopter in thousands of troops - better armed than the carte armies - giving them no way out - and simly overwhelm them. Sound brutal? Yes. But the massive flow if serious weapons from gun suppliers in Texas, New Mexco, and Arizona is way out of hand, and we do nothing to stop it.

News lately has the cartels moving into the billlion dollar Avacado industry - killing field workers and simply taking over. Where will they stop if no one even tries to intervene?

And a study done (about 6 years ago - I've lost track) by two colonels in the Pentagon concluded that we could spend far less than the cost of a wall and it divert the money to targeting the discriminatory practices of the goverments of Guatamala, El Salvador, Honduras, and Nicaraugua - though this last one is more complicated with our buddy Daniel Ortega running the show with his little click of Commies. We could use both positive incentives, and negative restrictions (I meant sanctions) . They could gradually become safer, more positive societies with our help.  

We helped some of those countries into their socio-economic mess back in the early 1900s with our support of the illegal and often brutal ways of United Fruit Compnay (now Chiquita). I think we owe it to them to help them back out of this mess.

I cannot immagine how a wall (which they are now scaling - and taking videos of themselves in the process) will ever solve the problem in the long run. Maybe JoBi's idea of more electronci surveillance will help in the near term, but the cause will still be there.   


03/02/22 12:20 PM #10722    

 

David Mitchell

 

P.s.

I thought it a pretty good speech, and conversley, the lady from Iowa was not. I'll give you the point that those immediate rebuttals are hard to pull off, but she was almost embarrassing. 

Justo pick one really intersting point - his call for medicare to be allowed to negotiate the price of medicine.

OMG, yes!

As a Veteran, I use the VA for all my medications, and they are dirt cheap. Why? Because they NEGOTIATE the prices with the drug compnaies. Why in earth would Congress not allow Medicare to do the same?

And as for all drug prices, whay do we pay five or ten times as much for drugs as the exact same products sell for in other countries? It's really nothing more than a form of racketeering.


03/02/22 12:25 PM #10723    

 

David Mitchell

Is anyone else hearing rumors of Russian soldiers sabotaging their own tanks and trucks?

 

Where are Putin's fighter jets in all this?

 

Are Putin's Oligark buddies feeling the sqeeze? - Sound like they don't like having their yachts, condos, and  and hotels locked down.


03/02/22 03:01 PM #10724    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike...the "snark" was in reference to you once again using the very tiring denigration of any information because of .....you know "Fox News".  Additionally, your comment, "the philosphical stance implied in your post  - that we ignore the most horrendous international assault on humanity in recent years" is an unfair insinuation that because I question the advisability of diverting our very limited and stressed CBP from our porous southern border, that that somehow equates to an inhumane desire by me to see Ukranian people suffer.  Now, that is what is beyond belief.  There are other means to help the Ukranian people, and Elon Musk made a huge gesture to do just that. 

https://www.ronjohnson.senate.gov/services/files/F9D5467E-EEC9-4AEC-9156-73C5957CFE57

https://www.judicialwatch.org/dhs-disperses-illegal-immigrants/


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