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08/07/21 09:31 AM #9756    

 

Michael McLeod

Very nicely put history lesson in today's Washington Post:

 

History, the adage goes, is written by the victors.

Would that it were true.

 

In the Civil War, the U.S. Army, at a staggering human cost, eventually crushed the traitors who took up arms against their own country. But Lost Cause mythology rewrote the rebellion as a conflict over states’ rights, portrayed Confederates as gallant heroes fighting impossible odds, romanticized plantation life and sanitized slavery. The fictions, taught to generations of southerners, fueled Jim Crow and white supremacy.

In the retelling of Jan. 6, we see an echo of Lost Cause mythology. On that terrible day, terrorists took up arms against the United States, sacking the seat of the U.S. government in a deadly rampage. White supremacists marauded through the Capitol. It was a coup attempt, aimed at overturning the will of the people with brute force, encouraged by a defeated president and his allies. The Capitol Police and D.C. Metropolitan Police, badly outnumbered, ultimately prevailed in putting down the insurrection.But now the losers are trying to rewrite the history of that day. The terrorists were “patriots.” Theirs was a “normal tourist visit.” They weren’t armed. They were “hugging and kissing” the police. A woman, shot as she breached the last barrier keeping elected representatives from the mob, was a martyr shot in cold blood. The Capitol Police were ill-trained. It was Nancy Pelosi’s fault.

The losers, again, are trying to write the history. They must not be allowed to succeed — for if they do, they will certainly try again to attack democracy.


08/07/21 09:39 AM #9757    

 

Michael McLeod

And then there's this. Love the unintentional irony of the motto. They'll be spreading more than their wings.It's an annual superspreader event.

For the 700,000 people expected to descend on South Dakota’s Black Hills for the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, the slogan for this year’s event after a year of pandemic restrictions and lockdowns is: “We’re spreading our wings.”

 

 

 


08/07/21 12:50 PM #9758    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike M, it would have been less hypocritical to call out the motorcyclists in South Dakota, if there had been ANY calling out of the BLM rioters last year in the middle of the pandemic.  

This was shared today from Mike Rowe:

Off the Wall

Mike – I read several months ago that you got the vaccine. I’m glad. But I’m also curious. You have a lot of people on this page who respect your opinion - many of whom I’d wager are unvaccinated. Have you encouraged them to follow your example? If not, what are you waiting for? As you surely know, Delta is raging. The sooner we’re all vaccinated, the sooner we can get back to normal!
Steve Manchin
Hi Steve
The short answer is no - I have not publicly encouraged anyone to get vaccinated. In fact, I have recently declined to participate in several PSA's designed to persuade people to get the jab. That’s not because I’m opposed to vaccines, obviously. Vaccines have saved more lives than any other advancement in the long history of medicine, and to your point, I got the shots the minute I was eligible. But I’m not a doctor, Steve, and even though I occasionally play one on TV, I’m not inclined to dispense medical advice to the people on this page.
True, I did appear in a few PSA’s early on, back when they assured us that locking down was essential to keeping our hospitals from being overrun. “Two weeks to flatten the curve!” Remember that one? That of course, turned out to be untrue, and I regret my role in helping perpetuate that particular falsehood. I also regret what I said during the first Zoom show to air in primetime. It was an episode of After the Catch, where I discussed the lockdowns with a few crab-boat captains. At one point, I looked into the camera lens on my computer and said, with uncharacteristic earnestness, “For the first time in a long time, it appears we’re all in the same boat.”
Well, I was wrong about that, too. We were not in the same boat, not then or now. We were in the same storm, but our boats were very different. Some prospered during the lockdowns and rode out the gale in yachts and pleasure crafts. Others floundered and weathered the storm in rowboats and dinghies. Some had no boat at all and hung on for dear life to whatever flotsam and jetsam they could find. Point is, I said some things I regret back then, and spoke too broadly to too many. Thus, the only thing I’ll say now regarding the vaccine, is that there is risk in everything we do, and there is risk in everything we don’t do. Thus, there is risk in getting vaccinated, and there is risk in not getting vaccinated. Obviously, I made my decision, but again, I’m not a doctor. Thus, I am not equipped to answer questions like, “But Mike, if the vaccine is so safe, why hasn’t the FDA approved it? Or, “But Mike, if the vaccine is so effective, why is the government now treating us all as if we’re unvaccinated?”
These are fair and reasonable questions, and I have no logical reply. Here in California if you’re inside, you must now wear a mask, vaccinated or not. What kind of message does that send?Yes, we have a new variant, and from what I’ve read, it’s highly contagious, but far less virulent – especially if you’re vaccinated. According to the CDC, just one 1 in 27,000 vaccinated people have contracted it. That means if you’re vaccinated, you’re more likely to get struck by lightning than contract COVID. And yet, people are once again calling for more lockdowns, more restrictions, and more compliance from those who already got their shots.
The fact is, millions of reasonable Americans have every right to feel confused and skeptical. Those people you refer to, Steve – the ones now telling us that we can “get back to normal just as soon as everyone is vaccinated” – those are the same people who said, “two weeks to flatten the curve!” Those are the same people who told us that masks were “useless” before they told us they were “critical.” Those are the same people who told us that a return to normalcy would occur just as soon as “the most vulnerable” among us were vaccinated. Then, just as soon as “half the population” was vaccinated. Then, just as soon as we achieved “herd immunity.” Those are the same people who told us they wouldn’t trust ANY vaccine developed under the last administration. Now, those very same people are belittling the skeptics!
If this were a Peanuts cartoon, those people would be Lucy, pulling away the football at the last moment while a nation full of Charlie Browns land flat on their collective back, over and over and over again. Those people you refer to - elected officials, journalists, and most disturbingly, more than a few medical experts - have moved the goalposts time and time again, while ignoring the same rules and restrictions they demand we all live by. They’re always certain, usually wrong, incapable of shame, and utterly void of humility. Is it any wonder millions find them unpersuasive?
I’m sorry, Steve, but even if I were an actual doctor, I wouldn’t know what to say to the skeptics on this page. But as a fake one, I’ll say this. Every single American who wants the vaccine has had the opportunity to get it – for free. Those who have declined will not be persuaded by the likes of me. At this point, I’m afraid the the government has but one course of sensible action - get the FDA on board, stat, and then, provide an honest, daily breakdown of just how quickly the virus is spreading among the unvaccinated, versus the vaccinated. No more threats, no more judgments, no more politics, no more celebrity-driven PSA’s, no more ham-fisted attempts at public shaming. Just a steady flow of verifiable data that definitively proves that the vast, undeniable, overwhelming majority of people who get this disease are unvaccinated.
In other words, give us the facts, admit your mistakes, try on a bit of humility, and stop treating the unvaccinated like the enemy.
Mike

 


08/07/21 02:53 PM #9759    

 

Michael McLeod

Tsk tsk MM1. You're always one to get your bloomers in a bunch when you feel you've been insulted. Now I point out an event that was factually proven to be a superspreader last time around and you not only manage to turn it into a racial thing but you call me a hypocrite. Nice.

Also, and more importantly: there isn’t evidence that Black Lives Matter protests led to a noticeable increase in COVID-19 cases, despite early concerns from health officials. Mostly 'cause they were outside and masked because of the tear gas probably. 

I'm thinking the transmission at the biker thing happened in the bars.

 Not saying I condone destruction of property. etc. by the way. But I know this is a conservative talking point and a rhetorical convenience and I should not be surprised you latched onto it.

Nor that you insulted me. I've been pretty snarky to you a time or two. 

 


08/07/21 06:37 PM #9760    

 

Michael Boulware

 

 

Maybe someone can explain to me why the Black Lives Matter Rally in D.C was heavily policed; but the January 6 storming of the Capitol was handled by a skeleton crew? That has been bothering me and I can't find an answer.

 

 


08/07/21 06:43 PM #9761    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike M - I only get my "bloomers in a bunch" when the insults are real and purposeful.  As for my making my comment racially charged just proves that those to the left of my views see race in everything.  I was just simply stating facts and last summer's riots were all about BLM - that is not a racial slur, it is simply identifying an event that happened over the entire summer.  Many of the rioters actually wore BLM t-shirts and held BLM signs. Perhaps you have forgotten that every Trump rally last summer was decried by the Left and the media (but I repeat myself) as a superspreader event.  What are Americans to do....cower behind masks and ceasee engaging in daily life outside of our homes?  Perhaps you could explain to me why whenever the media or Fauci or the CDC director or anyone else who puts out scary statistics about "cases", they never, never, never mention that there are several early treatment protocols that, should a person contract the Covid virus, those treatments will put them on a pathway to health.  Please explain why these very high profile people don't share that information?  And where are physicians after a patient tests positive?  Most positive Covid patients go home and wait out the virus and are only when they have difficulty breathing should they go to the ER and by then the virus has already entered the lungs. And why are they now pushing for children to get the jab when their collective risk of dying is 0.07%   

Do people die from Covid?  Of course, they do, just as people die from all types of viruses each year and that is a fact. Not pleasant to recall, but nevertheless it is a fact, just as it is a fact that millions of Americans infected with Covid survived and continue to survive. I personally know of several IC parishioners aged 65 and older with commorbidities, who upon getting a positive covid test, went immediately to a clinic that was offering monoclonal therapy and all were back on their feet in a matter of days. The vaccines are not the ONLY way to beat back Covid.. In fact as more data becomes available, vaccinated persons are now getting Covid.in increasing numbers. In fact, one of my daughters was sitting across the table at a diocesan administrator meeting on Thursday, and one of the attendees sitting across from her told my daughter that she had attended a wedding a few weeks ago where 50 people ended up testing positive for Covid, inclulding herself and every one of them were vaccinated.  As Mike Rowe said "there is risk in everything we do, and there is risk in everything we don't do".  


08/07/21 07:30 PM #9762    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike B - it is difficult to find the real truth of January 6th.  Tens of thousands of law-abiding citizens attended the January 6th event with their families, including children, who had no intention of doing anything illegal that day much less attempt to breach the Capitol that day.  I do remember watching a video of one of the attendees standing in front ot the Capitol appalled at those climbing over the fences and pleading with the Capitol police or whichever law enforcement officers who were standing off to the side, to do something, but they remained where they were and did not attempt to stop anyone from entering the Capitol.  I don't know why any sort of law enforcement would just stand down in a situation such as this, but I understand that the Capitol Police is far from being some kind of elite law enforcement body. Its principal function is to assist tourists, maintain decorum in a tourist environment and help out members of Congress and their staffs."

https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/06/dc-mayor-told-federal-law-enforcement-to-stand-down-day-before-violent-us-capitol-riot/?fbclid=IwAR2fNkrnPI5uT5YJR5e-P9DsHvPmYIANV_mR6WRTcTViIR_34Mk-9-qb5vA#.X_Z9_xSWLsM.facebook

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/07/so_much_evidence_that_january_6_2021_was_a_calculated_setup.html


08/07/21 08:20 PM #9763    

 

John Jackson

Yes, of course, everyone knows January 6 was just a picnic in the park - innocent fun and, despite the fatalities, a good time was had by all!

Meanwhile, from the Borowitz Report:

DeSantis Blasts Other Forty-nine States for Making Florida Look Bad

TALLAHASSEE (The Borowitz Report)—In his most scathing assignment of blame to date, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis blasted the other forty-nine states for conspiring to make his own look bad.

“Our COVID numbers wouldn’t seem so terrible if other states’ numbers weren’t better,” he said. “You don’t have to be a detective to figure out who stands to benefit from this scenario.”

“Nice try, other forty-nine states,” he bellowed. “I’m onto you!”

DeSantis’s remarks drew a strong rebuke from a fellow Republican governor, Greg Abbott of Texas.

“If you look at our COVID numbers, you’ll find that Texas has been doing everything in our power to make Florida look good,” he said. “Ron DeSantis’s comments are very hurtful.”

Immediately following Abbott’s statement, DeSantis issued a heartfelt apology. “I appreciate everything Texas has done to make Florida look good,” he said. “But the other forty-eight states still suck.”


08/08/21 12:21 AM #9764    

 

David Mitchell

Sorry, I can't hold my tongue on this one.

 

Mary Margaret,

Way to "Back the Blue"!

I assume  from your post #9762 that you agree with having Laura Ingraham and Tucker what'shisname literally mock 4 of the Capital police officers and insult them on their TV commentaries?

Their comments sent a chill of resentment thought me, and reminded me of my walk through the San Francisco airport on my way home from my last tour in Vietnam and being spat upon by some long-haired hippie jerk who then ran from us down the airport concourse.

You remember us. We were the "war criminals" - the "baby killers". 

 

There is little dispute that police protections should have been greater,  

BUT are we to understand that you are now blaming the actual Jan 6th assault on our nation's capital on the local Capital police?

Heaven help us.

 

And who was it that waited hours (while he watched it on TV) to say anything calling for a cessation of the assault?

Tourists? Really?


08/08/21 08:38 AM #9765    

 

Michael Boulware

 

Response To Mary Margaret's Post # 9762:

January 6 was not a family affair; it was no picnic. Capiol Police Officers have been killing themselves to rid themselves of the recurring nightmare. The children of the family members witnessed murder, destruction of portions of our treasured Capitol building, brutality, racism, theft, and everything bad.

On the other hand, the Black Lives Matter rally members were subject to helicopters, police on horseback, excessive numbers of law enforcement, tear gas, and a constsant forceful presence. I have not received an answer explaining the difference of the number of law enforcers that were there.

The January 6 rally was an insurrection designed to prevent the elected president from taking over his rightful position. These radicals still refuse to accept the outcome of a legal and verified election. Over 500 of these protesters have been arrested and the F.B.I. has been looking for about 300 more. 

If anyone knows any of the violators of the Capitol on January 6, be a true patriot and notify the F.B.I..

 


08/08/21 01:22 PM #9766    

 

Michael McLeod

Um ok mm: missed the memo that anytime you mention bikers you have to give equal time to blm. And just as sorry that I missed the family weenie roast Jan. 6.


08/08/21 04:36 PM #9767    

 

John Maxwell

There were two men walking down a country road. One fellow was a Buckeye from Ohio State University, the other was a Wolverine from the University of Michigan. The Buckeye had a sack of chickens over his shoulder. Noticing the sack the Wolverine inquired, "hey Buckeye what do have in your sack there?" Not missing a beat, "chickens," he replied.
"Say Buckeye, if I can guess how many chickens you have in that sack, can I have one?" The Wolverine politely asked. The Buckeye stared at his companion for a second, then answered, "Well Wolverine, if you can guess how many chickens Igot here in this sack, you can have both of them!" "Six." The Wolverine said.

This story is what goes through my mind when I read the forum. Me thinks it lacks virtue, but not humor. Or is it humour, per Biden's recent agreements with Great Britain?

Now before anyone begins to think disparaging about the guy from Michigan, consider this. Maybe that guy just wanted to know what was in the bag and didn't want to carry a chicken in his hands, figuring the guy from Ohio would make him carry his own chicken.

One thing I do know about chickens is that they are easy to hypnotize. Working on the farm at Greenfield Village, I used to hypnotize as many chickens as I could. My personal best is eight at once. Once rapt they would just lay there on the lawn motionless for up to twenty minutes.visitors would ask if they were okay, and I tell them yeah, they're just sunbathing. Now that's some crazy stuff. Not as crazy as some of the stuff I've been reading here but still pretty nuts. Have a nice day everybody, stay healthy. And above all take it easy on each other.

08/08/21 07:51 PM #9768    

 

Janie Albright (Blank)

MM, as I recall, one of your arguments against the vaccines is that that they only have FDA Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). I see you are now saying that all you have to do if you get Covid is to run over to OSU and get Monoclonal antibodies. It appears these are also only EUA and as a matter of fact one has now been revoked. 
 

It seems very disingenuous to say you can't get the vaccine because it's only EUA, but if you get Covid you can put a strain on our health care system by going and getting an EUA treatment. If it were this easy why have over 600,000 people died? 
 

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-additional-monoclonal-antibody-treatment-covid-19

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-monoclonal-antibody-treatment-covid-19

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-additional-monoclonal-antibody-treatment-covid-19

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-revokes-emergency-use-authorization-monoclonal-antibody-bamlanivimab

 


08/08/21 07:56 PM #9769    

 

Mark Schweickart

Why not just curl up with a good book, as they do in this park in Bulgaria.

 


08/08/21 10:17 PM #9770    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Well Janie, I guess I need to get the proverbial "forty lashes with a wet noodle"!  I was not aware that the monoclonal antibody therapy for early Covid treatment was an EUA.  Mea Culpa. 


08/08/21 11:04 PM #9771    

 

David Mitchell

Mark,

My problem with trying to read a book these days is that I alwys fall asleep. I like this concept, but they look like they need a bit softer cushion. Maybe we should invent sheets and pilllows with the text printed on them.


08/08/21 11:11 PM #9772    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Regarding EUA's:

In my opinion EUA's are not ideal but are not a bad thing. In fact they are mainly a good thing.

It would be nice and ideal if we could wait months and years to do more extensive studies on drugs, vaccines and other treatments to more definitively sort out every possible adverse reaction and total efficacy associated with them for the specific diseases that they are being used to treat or prevent. Unfortunately, when humanity is confronted by a pandemic that is rapidly spreading worldwide, time is of the essence. Are we not better off with such measures being instituted sooner with a high degree of favorable data than allowing a pathogen to go unchecked? It is not like we are testing a new treatment for hypertension, diabetes, high cholesterol, strep throat or some other disease for which there are current and good therapies.

I am happy that we have a system in America, such as EUA's, that allow these things to be used in this pandemic.

The benefits do outweigh the risks - my opinion, of course.

Jim


08/09/21 09:25 AM #9773    

 

Michael McLeod

Oh my goodness such a lovely poem.

Garrison Keillor shared it on his website.

It reminds me of how Robert Frost could find lessons and beauty and mystery and the most absolutely perfect words on a walk.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16CL6bKVbJQ

 

 


08/09/21 01:02 PM #9774    

 

Michael McLeod

JIm: Thank you so much for putting that into words. People are always talking about unsung heroes. For the past year and a half that dubious category has been dominated by medical professionals engaged in everything from genome sequencing to the frontlines of emergency rooms -- which are jammed down here, by the way, even as we speak.


08/09/21 05:22 PM #9775    

 

Frank Ganley

I posted about a week ago and I just have not found it! Hopefully it usa lost in clouds as I hope, ir it was removed as I fear. Any thoughts?!


08/09/21 06:12 PM #9776    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Frank,

The last post I find of yours was # 9696 on July 26th. Is that the one you are looking for?

Jim


08/09/21 10:03 PM #9777    

 

David Mitchell

Some of you will have seen in today or yesterday's news about the clash between Antifa members and the Proud Boys at a prayer service in a park in Portland. (I say "prayer service" although it was partly political - with the controversial anti-vax Canadian pastor Artur Pawlowski).

Before anybody assumes I would take sides on that, save your breath. I would no more condone Antifa activities than I would condone someone beating up my mother. They are just as wacky a left wing bunch as any right wing militant group - just not as many in number.

The question many should ask is, what's with the Portland Police? They did nothing even as th fight carried over into the nearby streets later that evening. They actually sat in front of one confrontations and looked on while laughing in their cars. It is my understanding from my son and daughter-in-law in Portland that the Portland Police have been somewhat cowed by the Proud Boys for years, and have let them get away with a lot more than this on prior occasions. Also, they have not done much to interfere with Antifa activities so far. 

Travelers to downtown Portland beware. I don't know what the Portland Police are afraid of.

 

 


08/10/21 07:03 AM #9778    

 

Frank Ganley

Jim it was after that so I must assume it is lost in the cloud frank


08/10/21 09:08 AM #9779    

 

Michael McLeod

This is going to be one interesting school year. I'm going to teach a hybrid  writing class, just one, at the college. I'll be alternating being in an actual classroom and teaching via webex. Fortunately I have choice in the matter and can mix and match face-to-face and virtual teaching however I choose. I won't be at nearly the risk that my significant other will be facing as a Florida public school montessori grades 1-3  teacher and it will be interesting to see if she comes down with covid as a result. It seems odd to say I'm not terribly worried about it but the data is overwhelming about how mild the symptoms are if you've been vaccinated. Last year I was fearful. This time around I'm intrigued by the possibilities on my own front and resolved to be as supportive to Denise as I can possibly be. She has the far tougher task. That's another addition to my unsung heroes theme. I got a look at what medical professionals are going through when I did that story last year, and seeing the heavy lifting Denise and her  public school compatriots are dealing with is just as eye-opening. Factor in how difficult it's going to be for her to get the children to readjust to a classroom after being taught virtually last year while dealing with parents in a contentious environment, and I gotta tell you it takes steel - which Denise has in abundance.  She's an amazing woman. How I lucked out this time around I'll never know.


08/10/21 10:27 AM #9780    

 

Bonnie Jonas (Jonas-Boggioni)

Frank, somehow, it ended up being sent to the adminitrators email.  Please resubmit by logging in and clicking submit.

Bonnie


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