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07/10/21 01:16 PM #9627    

 

David Mitchell

Still hoping to get back to CRT, but short on time.

Meanwhile, am I to understand that the ongoing comedy being called the Arizona "recount" (the third, if my count is correct), being conducted by a looney tunes company who's owner tweets conspiracy theories, and bitterly criticized by the all-Republican Maricopa County Commissioners as a sham and a joke, will be followed by yet another count, conducted by the Arizona senate? Somebody help me out here. Am I hearing this right?

Oh, and this only adds to the farce. Did you all see where a contingent of Wisconsin lawmakers were visiting the Arizna recount site - at Wisconsin taxpayers cost!

Surely the idiots are running the asylum.


07/11/21 09:24 AM #9628    

 

Michael McLeod

The Beguiling Legacy of “Alice in Wonderland”

A new exhibition explores the book’s long afterlife.
Illustration of Alice wearing a crown in front of a green lawn with flowers
The origins of Alice’s tumble into Wonderland are explored in an exhibition at the Victoria and Albert Museum, in London.Art work by Peter Blake / Courtesy Victoria and Albert Museum

Lately, when I can’t sleep, I take a book to the sofa and turn on a reading lamp. Insomnia is lonely—and often infuriating—and it’s a comfort to look at words on a page. Generally, the duller the words the better. In the long predawn hours, I’ve read histories of very old buildings; minor gods; remote, half-forgotten conflicts—and retained practically nothing. But retention is not the point. If you wait long enough—if you are tired enough—something magical will unfold. The sentences will begin to bend and blur together. They will filter into your dreams in surreal, and not unpleasant, ways. At a certain hour, reading becomes a psychedelic experience.

This is especially true of Lewis Carroll’s still trippy “Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland,” from 1865, and its even odder sequel, “Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There”—both of which I’ve been reading late at night. In the morning, when other books have had their coffee and sobered up, Carroll’s works remain dreamlike and stubbornly nonsensical. “Down, down, down. Would the fall never come to an end?” Carroll writes, as Alice plunges down the rabbit hole. The hole is lined with shelves (naturally), and she plucks a jar of orange marmalade from one as she passes. “I wonder if I shall fall right through the earth!” she frets. “How funny it’ll seem to come out among the people that walk with their heads downwards!”

The origins of Alice’s tumble into Wonderland and its long cultural afterlife—everything from Carroll’s tentative first sketches to cheery, Alice-themed advertisements for Guinness and tomato juice produced a hundred years later (“Welcome to a Wonderland of good drinking!”)—are the subject of a beguiling new exhibition, “Alice: Curiouser and Curiouser,” at the Victoria and Albert Museum, in London. I visited recently. Slipping inside a museum after months of the U.K.’s strict lockdown felt, even masked and distanced, like a revelation; everyone there was buzzing. The show begins down, down in the vast subterranean space of the Sainsbury Gallery, inside a room filled with the sounds of oars hitting the water. It is meant to evoke the now famous day that Charles Lutwidge Dodgson, who later adopted the pen name Lewis Carroll, rowed up the Thames with his friend Robinson Duckworth and the three Liddell sisters, who were neighbors of his: Lorina, Alice, then ten, and Edith. The legend goes like this: one blazing-hot day on the river, the children demanded entertainment and Dodgson obliged, spinning a fantastical tale as they went along. (The real story may be less neat: the weather on July 4th, 1862, the day of the boat trip, was “cool and rather wet,” according to some sources.) Alice asked Dodgson to write the story down for her, and, on Christmas, 1864, he handed her the finished manuscript, then called “Alice’s Adventures Under Ground.” He was meticulous; it had no mistakes. The last page featured a small photo of Alice’s face and, underneath, a portrait of her that Dodgson had drawn by hand.

Dodgson’s original manuscript, on loan from the British Library, is a strikingly beautiful and strange object, the cover decorated with a border of unruly wildflowers, like an overgrown garden. Carefully hand-lettered and illustrated by Dodgson in fine, spindly pen, the care he has taken in weaving the drawings into the minute text is evident. (“What is the use of a book,” Alice wonders early in the tale, “without pictures or conversation?”) The dedication, embellished with curling green vines, reads, “A Christmas Gift to a Dear Child in Memory of a Summer Day.” When I saw the show, which runs until the end of December, the little book had been flipped open to reveal a page featuring one of Dodgson’s illustrations of Alice. In the story, she has just eaten a mysterious cake (there’s a card on top, and “the words ‘eat me’ were beautifully printed on it in large letters”) and she finds herself stretching upward, her neck elongated, almost beyond the confines of the book, “like the largest telescope that ever was!” “Curiouser and curiouser!” she says.

Curious would be the way to describe the Victorians of Alice’s day. The show’s curator, Kate Bailey, has evoked the era’s flurry of discovery and industry, its devotion to science and progress, with a carrousel of delightful oddities: an eighteen-fifties kaleidoscope, an unwieldy folding-box camera of the kind Dodgson used, the skeleton of a dodo. There’s an accordion-like paper model of Hyde Park’s “Great Exhibition,” a manufacturing-and-design showcase that blew everyone’s mind in 1851. (Dodgson called it “a sort of fairyland.”) There’s a fascination with childhood on display as well, which seems to have started at the top, with Queen Victoria, who had nine children; a sepia-colored photograph shows a placid child balanced on her lap. “Attitudes towards childhood changed in the 19th century,” the explanatory text reads, “moving away from puritanical ideas of original sin towards associations with freedom, creativity and innocence.” The Victorians were “preoccupied and fascinated by childhood, and by the child,” Bailey told me, recently. “That was the moment where children’s literature emerged.”

The real Alice Liddell was the daughter of Henry Liddell, the dean of Christ Church college at Oxford University, where Dodgson taught mathematics. Early in the show, there’s an arresting photo of Alice taken by Dodgson, in 1858. She’s seated in profile and dressed like a Victorian doll: ruffled sleeves, dark bob. She looks serious and maybe a little impatient. In the course of Alice’s lifetime, Dodgson photographed her many times. He lived next door—his study overlooked the garden where she played with her sisters—and was a frequent visitor at her family’s home. He was obviously smitten, perhaps inappropriately so, though the nature of Dodgson’s relationship with Alice is not something that the exhibition investigates. (There is no clear evidence that Dodgson crossed the line, just lingering suspicions). A single placard under a photograph of the Liddell sisters reads, “Today Dodgson’s close friendship with Alice Liddell would be scrutinised, but in Victorian times it was not viewed as inappropriate for a man to befriend a younger girl.” Bailey told me that she wanted to make a show about the “impact and legacy of the books, as opposed to really scrutinizing the biography of Lewis Carroll.”

View of the installation featuring several mannequins in Alice in Wonderland themed costumes
The exhibition features several mannequins displaying “Alice in Wonderland”-themed costumes.Photograph courtesy Victoria and Albert Museum

From a darkened room steeped in Victoriana, you turn a literal corner and find yourself in a hallway in which the walls appear to be shrinking. Or perhaps you are simply growing larger. At the end, there’s a small door behind a curtain. Peek into its tiny windows and you’ll see a walled garden, complete with neat hedges and pink flamingos. (“She knelt down and looked along the passage into the loveliest garden you ever saw,” an inscription on the door reads.) Round another corner and there’s a digital pool of tears, like the one Alice suddenly found herself swimming in (“ ‘I wish I hadn’t cried so much!’ ”) From there, things only get stranger, with rooms building on one another freely, like actors in an improv class. There’s a space that resembles a down-on-its-luck seaside pier, with a striped pavilion full of mirrors and backward writing. (“Who in the world am I? Ah, that’s the great puzzle!”) There’s also an arcade-like machine with a hand crank that causes Alice to stretch comically upward. (Hand sanitizer provided.) A lazy caterpillar on stilts oversees it all.

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In these rooms, we see Alice undergo transformation after transformation. She has definitely eaten something weird. There are John Tenniel’s exquisite sketches for the first published version of the book, in which Alice possesses flowing pre-Raphaelite locks and an unusually large head. (The real Alice’s messy brunette bob has disappeared.) She is played by a flustered teen in a ten-minute silent film by Cecil M. Hepworth and Percy Stow, from 1903. In 1933, Paramount put out a much publicized live-action “Alice” filled with stars, including W. C. Fields as Humpty Dumpty and Gary Cooper as the bumbling White Knight. (Even Cary Grant, as a nearly unrecognizable Mock Turtle, couldn’t save the film; it was a box-office bomb.) The most enduring cinematic image of Alice comes, of course, from the animated Disney version, released in 1951. In development as early as 1933, the project stalled during the Second World War and hit numerous creative dead ends. (Disney rejected a treatment by Aldous Huxley for being “too literary.”) The Alice that emerged—blond with a blue dress, black hairband, and perfect manners—and the bright block colors of the film come mainly from the brilliant concept artist Mary Blair, whose work is on display. Disney’s Alice is sweetly affecting, but I prefer Carroll’s more pointed version. Carroll’s Alice is polite in a knowing, English way. Even while conversing with a strung-out caterpillar, she seems to be saying, I know that you’re strange, but I won’t say anything about it. It’ll only embarrass us both.

Spending time with Alice, you get the sense that people make of her what they want. A bevy of surrealist artists, including Dorothea Tanning and Max Ernst, were drawn to the darker strands of the books—Alice’s disorientation, the unyielding nonsense of it all—and they painted disturbing pictures of her wandering flower-strewn hallways, hair on end, or embedded in solid rock. (Tanning’s splendid “Eine Kleine Nachtmusik,” from 1943, appears in the catalogue, though not in the exhibition.) Salvador Dalí, once an artist-in-residence at Disney, illustrated a special edition of the tale, in 1969. His images, splashed across one gallery, are free-flowing and luminous, each with a minute ink drawing of Alice tucked somewhere in the dreamscape. (In one, “A Mad Tea Party,” a tree pierces the center of a melting clock.) Members of the counterculture of the nineteen-sixties also loved Alice, and there’s a photograph of Yayoi Kusama and a merry band of naked, polka-dot-covered dancers posing on the Alice sculpture in Central Park. There’s a still from Jonathan Miller’s 1966 BBC adaptation, in which Alice appears as a stony-faced teen-ager in a world of incomprehensible adults. (Ravi Shankar provides a dreamy, sitar-laced soundtrack.) A poster by the San Francisco printmakers East Totem West shows a grinning Cheshire cat in psychedelic colors (“We’re All Mad”). On a wall nearby, there’s a mesmerizing video of Grace Slick with Jefferson Airplane, belting out the lyrics to “White Rabbit.” With her bracingly angelic features and deep stare, Slick looks like Alice on LSD. “One pill makes you larger, and one pill makes you small,” she sings. “Go ask Alice when she’s ten feet tall.”

All that growing and shrinking, the mushroom-eating, the polka-dot-painting: it’s enough to make you wonder what the real Alice would have thought. The exhibition includes a small picture, by an unknown photographer, of Alice Hargreaves (née Liddell) arriving by ship in New York in 1932. By that time, she was eighty and had lived a relatively quiet life in England. After leaving Oxford, she travelled around Europe with her sisters, married a cricketer, and raised three sons (one of whom she named Caryl). In 1928, she made headlines by selling the original manuscript that Dodgson had given her as a child. She was widowed and needed the money. In the photo, she is smiling, dressed jauntily in a hat and white gloves, and holds a copy of “Alice.” She gamely helped promote Paramount’s film, in 1933, and she never had a bad word to say about Dodgson, but it must have been a long haul. “But oh my dear I am tired of being Alice in Wonderland,” she wrote to her son toward the end of her life. “Does it sound ungrateful? It is. Only I do get tired.”

In the final part of the show, as Alice enters the twenty-first century, there’s no sign of her influence abating. She seems to be everywhere at once. There are sublimely intricate costumes from productions at the Royal Opera House (“Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland”) and the National Theatre (“wonder.land”). There’s Stephen Jones’s Mad Hatter hat and a decadent series of Wonderland-inspired photographs by Tim Walker featuring an all-Black group of artists and celebrities. (RuPaul, on a throne of cards, is the Queen of Hearts.) Near the end of the exhibit, a little overstimulated, I sat down gratefully beneath a tangle of oversized flowers and accepted a V.R. headset for an experience titled “A Curious Game of Croquet.” I fell, lurchingly, down a digital rabbit hole, looking up and around before hitting the ground. I wandered through a tiny door and into a sprawling garden. By the time I got there, nothing felt more natural to me than to be drafted into a game. I picked up a hedgehog and played.


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07/11/21 09:29 AM #9629    

 

Michael McLeod

ok as you can see I found a lovely story and put it in a word doc so I could post the whole thing, above. Just an experiment. If it's a hassle for anyone I won't do it again. But it's just charming and it's behind a paywall and I wanted to share it and it ocurred to me I could do it that way. And who didn't love Alice In Wonderland?


07/11/21 09:30 AM #9630    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)




07/11/21 10:34 AM #9631    

 

John Jackson

Responding to Jim's post 9625, according to Wikipedia, the American College of Pediatricians (whose article on when life begins Jim referenced) is:

“a socially conservative advocacy group of pediatricians and other healthcare professionals in the United States.[1] The group was founded in 2002. In 2005, it reportedly had between 150 and 200 members and one employee; in 2016 it reportedly had 500 physician members.[2][3] The group's primary focus is advocating against abortion and the adoption of children by gay or lesbian people. It also advocates conversion therapy.”

The ACP should not be confused with the much larger American Academy of Pediatrics which was founded in 1930 and has 67,000 members, with more than 45,000 members board-certified as Fellows of the American Academy of Pediatrics (FAAP).

Today’s Republican party (or at least the bulk of elected Republicans), unmoored by the cult of Trump from any semblance of rationality, support a whole host of mean-spirited and undemocratic ideas that I cannot stomach.  But, I can understand and respect why people are opposed to abortion and it comes from a very different place than the ugliness Trump inspires.  So, by all means, read and consider the statement Jim referenced and consider it on its own merits. 

My only real beef with Jim’s post is that it’s a bit disingenuous to leave the impression that a tiny group like ACP is in any way mainstream or represents the bulk of American pediatricians.  And it fits into a larger pattern of conservatives advancing splinter group ideas, and because they are backed up by a website to give them credibility (at least in the eyes of many people), making them appear mainstream and accepted.

The same tactic (passing off tiny splinter groups or lone “experts” as mainstream) has been used successfully by oil companies and their allies at Fox News and the Republican party to convince a significant number of Americans that there is meaningful debate in the scientific community about the reality of human-caused climate change.  

From what I can tell, any serious scientific debate ended a couple of decades ago and even all the major fossil fuel companies have thrown in the towel and concede that climate change is real (for an example, check out  Exxon’s statement at https://corporate.exxonmobil.com/Sustainability/Environmental-protection/Climate-change ).  But apparently news travels slowly and the opinion makers at Fox News and other right-wing media haven’t gotten the word yet.   Or maybe it’s just that they can’t bring themselves to repudiate this cornerstone of right-wing “wokeness”.  

 

 


07/11/21 11:47 AM #9632    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

John,

 My purpose for attaching that article was the science of fertilization of the egg by a sperm and the embryological events that follow. I do not find that to be a conservative or liberal issue.

Jim


07/11/21 12:03 PM #9633    

 

Michael McLeod

It's interesting to see blackness come up as a subject right now as I am writing a story about an amazing exhibit devoted to Jean-Michel Basquiat - just a brilliant hip hop/neo-expressionist of the early 80s who was a darling of the nyc art scene in the 80s, dated Madonna, hung out with andy warhol, was collected by David Bowie, lauded by high end art critics, became a millioniare  -  but couldn't get a cab to stop for him when he left a club at night because he was black. Little did those cabbies know they were passing over someone who is now considered one of the most influential artists of the 20th century. I ask myself what would that feel like, and then the feeling I get inside starts filling me up and it's is so awful it scares me and I stop. 

What's going on at the moment is an ongoing matter of cultural equilibrium. It will take generations for it to settle, if indeed it ever will. Have always been interested in the prediction among scientists that there will come a day when race is indecipherable. I actually find it hard to believe but time has a way of making things beyond our ken come about. 

 

 


07/11/21 04:13 PM #9634    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

John, to more fully develop the questions I posed to you in my post regarding....when does science say that human life begins....is that life not a completely and totally separate human being from the mother in whose womb it resides....when does a life that is voiceless, dependent and completely innocent deserve the total protection of society.....I am sharing a video which can perhaps eliciit a better understanding from your point of view as to exactly where the grey area is about the beginnings of human life and how keeping abortion legal fits into your views. The fact that the video comes from a Catholic source should not in any way cloud the discussion, as abortion is an issue that has a great many societal facets surrounding its legality, and which has negatively impacted 60 million human beings in this nation.  

Perhaps any further discussion on the Message Forum could be solely about the issues and without disparaging references to "Fox News" and "Republicans", "Trump", etc.  I have been engaging in political discussions for over 12 years now, and I have learned (the hard way) that sticking to issues and our understanding of them given what we digest from what we read, it is best to avoid using sarcasm or belittling another's sources. Doing so can't help but to question a person's intellectual capacity, and it immediately puts up barriers to be able to truly listen to one another.  

Looking forward to ongoing discussion and debate.smiley

https://youtu.be/7jRM6ytOA_U

 


07/11/21 05:18 PM #9635    

 

David Mitchell

I think MM's short video does a very concicse job of expressing my (limited and uneducated) understanding of the beginning of human life. I really struggle to grasp how it could be otherwise. Am I to guess that it wiil be a human at some later stage of devleopment, but not at the beginning? Does it suddenly change from non-human to human in a few early weeks? Should we guess that it's "official" date is at 6 weeks? Or three months? Or maybe four? Do we determine that it "becomes" human when we see the development of arms, or feet? None of those suppositions seems to make any sense at all to me.

But furthermore, this notion of voiceless, defenseless, innocence. Our African slaves were voicelses and innocent, but they could run -  if they were brave enough - strong enough. The Jews marching into the gas chambers at Auschwitz could at least raise a fist and cry out in agony. The native Americans fought as long as they could. But they were not in contol. They were not in charge. They lacked the power to decide their own fate. Governments, Armys, Slaveowners decided they did not have that "right" to decide for themselves to survive. 

How much more innocent and powerless are these millions of unborn babies - who can take nourishment, feel pain, and hear and distinguish thier mother's voices? Why does one party - the party in power - get to have the "right" - to decide over of them?

 


07/11/21 06:29 PM #9636    

 

David Mitchell

I am fascinated by all this talk of Critical Race Theory. I'm sorry that who ever chooses a catchy title wins the right to set the limits of its meaning. 

I guess a good bit of the "official" CRT is overly broad and negative. So I will use another expression for my question.

(note: I still do not know all that much about "Critical Race Theory" , so I will avoid taking a position on it specifically. But there is so mcuh inside this topic that is not being brought out into the light of discussion.)

Why not tell the whole truth? 

Why then does ommitting so much of our history - which needs to be known and owned up to - become okay? I recall being taught by our Dominican nuns, that avoiding the turth was the same as lying - which was a sin. 

So if avoiding CRT means continuing to burry volumes of negative truth about our past, then we have a real problem of lying about our history. Call it what you want, our Hisotry is full of terrible truths, and goes fare beyond the boundaries of just black and white issues. Consider a few of these. There has to be a balance of reallity and truth with some sense of candor and undderstanding:

1) We all grew up in Columbus Ohio, named after the great explorer who "discoverd" America. In our hometown, we had a huge statue on the steps of the City Hall. We were taught what a great man this was. But in fact he and his Brother Batholomew were vicious, tryannical rulers of the Islanders and even some of the first European settlers. So much so that Queen Isabella had him arrested and put in chains.  (He later talked his way out of that). He cut off a man's nose and ears as one punishment. And when natives did not bring him gold, he had their hand cut off and made their children wear it around their necks. I read somewhere that one of his crew members - upon his return to Spain, became a priest, to live out the rest of his life of penance for all the atrocities Columbus committed.

2) The US Government made over 500 treaties with the Naive American tribes - and then broke every single one of them. Some of those details are simply amazing. 

3) I just watched a PBS documentry about the practice of "Pionage" or "Debt Slavery" - somethng I had never heard of. It was a simplistic form of false arrest of (mostly) black men, followed by a jail sentence to pay off the "trumped up" fine, which then coud never be paid off. Many of these men were then "leased" back to the county for an income to the "owner" for use as laborers. Much of the road system of the south from about 1870 to 1930 was built this way. And they were kept in barns with chains and fed gruel. Families lost their black fathers and sons and were never able to find them - no court records were kept. This went on throughout the South until the FDR administarion put a stop to it in the 40's . And get this - it involved hundreds of thousnads of Black men an was widespread throug the South. Should that be ommited from our History books? I never heard a word about this! 

4) Segregation policies reached into our National Highway system as we developed the interstate. There are sections of the regulations that specifically call for new highways to cut through th Black neighborhods, cutting those areas off from mainstream areas of the inner cities. There were written plans to put the "inner belt" in Columbus where it was so they could make it more difficult for the Black women of Mt. Vernon Ave to safely walk to downtown Columbus shopping. 

5) The Federal Mortgage guidilines were writtien so as to make it nearly impossible for Blacks to obatin a mortage in better neighborhoods. "Redlining" is only recently expunged from lending policies - sort of !

6) Racial deed restrictions appeared in deeds in Cintonville into the 1930's and in (King Thompson's) Upper Arlington unto the early 1950's. 

7) I beleive (not certain?) my dad's OSU medical school class contained only one Black student, although my dad suspected there were several other Black candidates who were excluded because of color. (It may have been Doctor "Inky" Smith - I'm not making that up), who was a guest at our house a few times while I grew up.

8) If you don't think racism is "institutional" or "structural" (I meant "systemic") in our country, consider this, At this time, we have about 9 or 10 major U.S. Army military Posts that are still named after men who fought for the cause of the enslavemet of millions of human beings!   Think about that!

9) I think we could go on all night with this but I will close with one story that absolutely stunned me when I first heard it. You all remember that exciting time when we learned who the first team of our new astronauts - the "Mercury 7". 

There was a an 8th man in that first class, Air Force Captain Ed Dwight. He was Black (and btw, Catholic - with a sister who was a Catholic nun). He was somehow silently drummed out of that first class because of his color. The "heroic" Colonel Chuck Yeager (a closet racist) was the officer in charge of that class and orederd them to ignore Capt. White, and to completely avoid him, including shunning him from all social contact outside of training. I watched an old video of the day the "7" were first introduced to the press. A member of the press asked the group if there wasn't also an African Ameircan member of their class? One of the Astronauts (maybe Gordon Cooper of Deke Slayton - I forget ?) lied through his teeth and answered "No."

Call it what you want, if we cannot find a way to allow the whole truth to be told to our children, then we are lying through our own teeth, and I believe must surely be called a sin.

(p.s. Captain Dwight was also a gifted artist and I bleive has become a somewhat famous sculpter, doing many sculptures for public projects including one for THEE Ohio Sate University)


07/11/21 06:48 PM #9637    

 

David Mitchell

Correction: Air force Capain Ed White did sculptures for the Ohio State House. Not OSU as I first mentioned. One was the first Black legislator in Ohio, George Washington Williams, and also Vern Riffe. Perhaps others - his list of public works is long including places I know in Denver. The photo is from his current website. I guess he's stiil active in his sculpture work???


07/11/21 10:04 PM #9638    

 

Michael McLeod

To MM1 from MM2:

I'm in favor of intelligent and polite discourse, but I would think judging sources -- not mocking them, but measuring them judiciously, by their methods and reliability, as you would anything else you consume --  is a part of figuring out what's true, especially today. Otherwise it's just a popularity contest.


07/11/21 11:36 PM #9639    

 

John Jackson

I agree wholeheartedly with MM2 - sources matter.  As an example, I freely admit there's no way I myself can fairly judge the evidence on climate change.   But if the overwhelming majority of scientists trained in this field find it credible, that's good enough for me.

And do I maintain my own personal database of instances of election fraud?  No, but if judge after judge throws out lawsuits for lack of evidence (and Rudy Giuliani gets effectively disbarred in NY and DC for lying to judges), doesn't that tell you something about the Big Lie?

 

 

 

 


07/12/21 11:35 AM #9640    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike and John, everyone has an agenda or a bias....including judges.  I would just point you to the FBI, CIA, NSA, IRS over the past decade.  Many of us can see for ourselves that finding the truth has become elusive over the past decade via traditional sources that were once a trusted means of information.  Money and power, not ethics and morality. drive everything. The more America becomes untethered from its founding principles, the closer it comes to self-destructing.  Too much power has already been ceded to a few powerful entities. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6?op=1 


07/12/21 03:30 PM #9641    

 

David Mitchell

Aplogees for the miny spellung arrors I made in dose lass tree posts. I wuz writin' fast and tryed to go back and currect sum of it.

I hope you got the gist of what I was trying to say. 

But I would like to call your attention to one of the last people I cited - one of Captain Dwight's sculpture subjects - Ohio's first black legislator. Gosh, it would have seemed worth while to have taught us a word or two about this little known American (and Ohio) "giant" when we were kids. As you can see from the narrative, he was quite an accomplished man! 

Here is a brief summary from Wikipedia.

 

George Washington Williams
George W. Williams from History of Negro Troops.jpg
Born October 16, 1849
Died August 1, 1891 (aged 41)
Nationality American
Occupation SoldierMinisterHistorianLawyerJournalist
 
Personal
Religion Baptist
 

George Washington Williams (October 16, 1849 – August 2, 1891) was a soldier in the American Civil War and in Mexico before becoming a Baptist ministerpoliticianlawyerjournalist, and writer on African-American history.

He served in the Ohio House of Representatives.[1] In the late 1880s, Williams turned his interest to Europe and Africa. After having been impressed by meeting King Leopold II of Belgium, he traveled in 1890 to the Congo Free State (then owned by the king) to see its development. Shocked by the widespread brutal abuses and slavery imposed on the Congolese, he wrote an open letter to Leopold in 1890 about the suffering of the region's native inhabitants at the hands of the king's agents. This letter was a catalyst for an international outcry against the regime running the Congo, which had caused millions of deaths.[2]


07/12/21 10:59 PM #9642    

 

John Jackson

MM, the major media have always been concentrated – I would argue that it’s hard to imagine that Americans today get more of their political information from the six sources you cite than Americans got from three sources in 1983 - ABC, CBS and NBC.

I’ll admit that it’s hard to argue that media concentration is a good thing, but even more important are journalistic standards.  Maybe I’m naive but it’s hard for me accept that the major networks (who have Walter Cronkite and John Chancellor in their DNA) have “in the last decade” turned their backs on responsible reporting.  And, for reasons I can’t fathom, even the news pages of Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal (the sole serious newspaper in your list of concentrated media – New York Post is a joke) continue to adhere to  the kind of journalistic standards employed by other major papers (I may not like the WSJ opinion pages, but opinion pages, after all, are allowed to express opinions).

 


07/12/21 11:13 PM #9643    

 

David Mitchell

Meanwhile, can I ask Mark if he is near any of this year's new wave of forrest fires?


07/13/21 02:38 AM #9644    

 

Mark Schweickart

Dave -- so far so good. Nothing to speak of in this area. Thanks for asking. 


07/13/21 11:20 AM #9645    

 

Michael McLeod

Well this subject of media conglomeration is in my roundhouse. It's nothing new. It  goes back decades.  Through the years it has always alarmed journalists as chains got bigger and bigger and the danger of a chosen few forcing journalists to write about thing in lockstep was the subject of many an after-hours conversation among me and my peers.

But what I see now as both a practitioner and a consumer of news is this: though local news sources are not what they once were, nationally and internationally that there are so many choices out there for the individual that a wise consumer of news is better off than ever, and can either choose to fortify their own leanings and stay in a "silo," as it's called, or expand their horizons and ferret out multiple points of view.

Here's a source that ranks publications and news sites according to whether they are conservative or liberal:

https://guides.lib.umich.edu/c.php?g=637508&p=4462444

The other thing I was thinking is this: the ancient philosophers who made a study of rationality had their own way of measuring argumentation - how a listener can judge whether what they are hearing is solid info or bullhocky. And one of the very simple and basic core precepts was whether the speaker was making an appeal to emotion or an appeal to reason - the former having its place, but easily misused by manipulators, and the latter, therefore, being the more likely path to the truth. 

Without naming any specific individuals like TRUMP or news sources like FOX because I would never do that, I can tell you that it's pretty easy to tell one approach from the other and see through it accordingly. The hard part is monitoring our own inherent confirmation bias, which MM1 alludes to. 

 

 


07/13/21 06:48 PM #9646    

 

David Mitchell

So the massive slaughter of our Afghan allies begins, at the hands of the same Taliban that Trump actually negotiated with - (kind of a joke, since the Taliban would never adhere to their own "promises"). I assume the deaths will accelerate at a staggering pace, and the survivors will live in hell, especialy the women.

Isn't it interesting that some groups of (Afghan) women are arming themselves and training in the use of their weapons to take on the Taliban? Groups of armed male soldiers are surrenduring and/or running away, while women are training to fight. The Taliban are very afraid to be killed by women, as it brings huge shame on them. God help the ladies, we sure won't.

In a recent interview of three American soldiers, a lady Army Major, a male Army Spec 5, and a male Army Colonel - all of whom had served multiple tours in Afghanistan - they all three asked the same question, "What was our strategy?" There never seemed to be an end game concept. Sounds like Vietnam to me. Politicians sending brave soldiers to make a fight, and then backing away when they realized how costly it is - making it even more "costly" in the end.

 

Ironically, now we see two new situations right in our back yard that would, under some administrations, call for the US to send in troops.  

In one case, Haiti, (who are begging us) to give some semblance of order and public safety as the situation descends into chaos, and the other, Cuba, where we might see the only time in 60 years where we would certainy be welcomed by the local population. But the latter would of course be considered an armed invasion - something eveyone on the planet would blame us for - except I assume the Cubans themselves. God help them also. I don't think Joe's "pledge" to "Stand with the people of Cuba" will accomplish much. 

And the silence from our Politicians (especially on the Left) is deafening! 

P.s. Viva Cuba Libre !!!

 


07/13/21 10:12 PM #9647    

 

John Jackson

Mike,  confirmation bias is real – no one disputes that – we all tend to seek out sources that agree with our view of the world.  On the other hand,  I don’t think you intended this, but some would read your post as saying “there’s a spectrum of reporting so just go right ahead and pick whatever flavor of the truth you like”.  That’s the view that Fox News pushes – all truth is relative -  one view is as defensible as another so be happy and stick with the one you like.

What you don’t address is that some sources have much higher standards for verifying what they report (verifying facts and obtaining multiple confirming sources rather than reporting unsubstantiated rumors or crazy internet posts, such as the ones that fueled the 2020 election fraud allegations) and as a result have much better records for getting their stories right.  And I would argue that the mainstream media have been caught with their pants down in this regard on precious few occasions.    

With this, I'll sign off for a while as I suspect I'm getting tedious.


07/14/21 03:33 AM #9648    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

John, 

Your posts bring out the poet in me! 

 

You like drinking Rusty Nails,

I enjoy driving on dusty trails.

You hate Fox News,

I agree with most of their views.

You suspect you are becoming tedious, 

But we conservatives think you may be delirious.

 

And using words like "tedious" is a crime,

Like "orange" they are hard to rhyme!

Jim


07/14/21 08:59 AM #9649    

 

John Jackson

Jim, I’m struggling to come up with a pithy response but the best I can offer is this taunt from our growing-up years:

“You’re a poet, but you don’t know it…”  

 


07/14/21 11:38 AM #9650    

 

Michael McLeod

Well, tedious John, if you look at the discussion in context I was just countering the notion that because news is more monolithic that ever in terms of its ownership it is directed with monolithic perspectives from top to bottom. 

If anybody knows the difference between writing that is responsible and fact-oriented as opposed to playing on fear and predjudice and preconceptions, you're reading his words at the moment. And I actually though I made a wave at that part of the issue with that pompous reference to the ancients and that ultimate most old-fashioned of strategies: logic.

But I'm glad you brought it up. In my mind there is a parallel between the scientific method and the precepts of fair-minded and reasonably objective journalism I learned at Ohio State and saw in practice throughout my career.  

 


07/14/21 10:29 PM #9651    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

A friend shared this remarkable story with me today:

 In May of 1861, 9 year old John Lincoln “Johnny” Clem ran away from his home in Newark, Ohio, to join the Union Army, but found the Army was not interested in signing on a 9 year old boy when the commander of the 3rd Ohio Regiment told him he “wasn’t enlisting infants,” and turned him down. Clem tried the 22nd Michigan Regiment next, and its commander told him the same. Determined, Clem tagged after the regiment, acted out the role of a drummer boy, and was allowed to remain. Though still not regularly enrolled, he performed camp duties and received a soldier’s pay of $13 a month, a sum collected and donated by the regiment’s officers.


The next April, at Shiloh, Clem’s drum was smashed by an artillery round and he became a minor news item as “Johnny Shiloh, The Smallest Drummer”. A year later, at the Battle Of Chickamauga, he rode an artillery caisson to the front and wielded a musket trimmed to his size. In one of the Union retreats a Confederate officer ran after the cannon Clem rode with, and yelled, “Surrender you damned little Yankee!” Johnny shot him dead. This pluck won for Clem national attention and the name “Drummer Boy of Chickamauga.”


Clem stayed with the Army through the war, served as a courier, and was wounded twice. Between Shiloh and Chickamauga he was regularly enrolled in the service, began receiving his own pay, and was soon-after promoted to the rank of Sergeant. He was only 12 years old. After the Civil War he tried to enter West Point but was turned down because of his slim education. A personal appeal to President Ulysses S. Grant, his commanding general at Shiloh, won him a 2nd Lieutenant’s appointment in the Regular Army on 18 December 1871, and in 1903 he attained the rank of Colonel and served as Assistant Quartermaster General. He retired from the Army as a Major General in 1916, having served an astounding 55 years.

General Clem died in San Antonio, Texas on 13 May 1937, exactly 3 months shy of his 86th birthday, and is buried at Arlington National Cemetery.


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