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11/21/17 12:25 PM #2304    

 

Daniel Cody

Too bad I’m still working.  Great idea have fun


11/21/17 12:27 PM #2305    

 

Michael McLeod

Well, poop.

I may be in Columbus for New Years but I can't get up for the lunch. Love to all, though.


11/21/17 12:40 PM #2306    

 

Alan Standish

Happy Holidays to all!  Merry Christmas and Happy Thanksgiving and New Year!  At the risk of a plagiarism lawsuit, may all have the Irish Blessing apply:  "May the road rise to meet you.  May the wind be always at your back.  May the sun shine warm upon your face, the rains fall soft upon your fields, and , until we meet again, may God hold you in the palm of His Hand."

 


11/21/17 01:16 PM #2307    

 

Mary Ann Nolan (Thomas)

So wish I could attend the luncheon. I would love to see Mary Clare and spend more time with former classmates catching up. There are so many wonderful people in our class that I would like to get to know better. Happy Thanksging to all. Please take lots of pictures.

 

 


11/21/17 02:58 PM #2308    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Clare,

Sorry not to be able to make it to the luncheon as I'll not be back in Columbus until later in the month. It sounds like it will be great time! Be sure to post some pictures. Gatherings like this are a fantastic way to stay in touch between reunions and supplement this Forum.

Jim

11/21/17 03:08 PM #2309    

 

Donna Kelley (Velazquez)

I copy my classmates who will also be missing the luncheon.  Sure wish I could join you. Have a great time and be sure to post pics. 

Michael, watch that language, please! surprise  

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!      

 

 

 


11/21/17 05:18 PM #2310    

Joseph Gentilini

I will miss the gathering on the 12th also.  Sure wish I could attend!! Maybe the next gathering.  I do want to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving, a Merry Christmas, and a great 2018!  While the nation and world may be in tumult, may we be at peace in God and in each other.  Peace to all,  Joe G


11/22/17 02:17 PM #2311    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Happy Thanksgiving to all out there in Forumland!

Many of you may have seen the news reports today regarding liver fluke infestations in Viet Nam vets. Did any of you who were in that war (or visited Viet Nam) partake of any raw or undercooked fresh water fish?

11/22/17 03:02 PM #2312    

 

Frank Ganley

To all my classmates,please have a happy Thanksgiving and a safe holiday


11/22/17 06:51 PM #2313    

Lawrence Foster

@Jim Hamilton - 

I read your post about the liver fluke infestations and their tie-in with hepatitis A or viral hepatitis as it was called back then.  I have gone on the web  and found the news articles about it.  While I was never in Vietnam I did come down with viral hepatitis while at Ft. Monmouth NJ.  I was also diagnosed with infectious mono and infectious tonsilitis at the same time.  I spent 6 weeks in the hospital and even though I was on bed rest I managed to lose 10 pounds and my weight dropped down to 145. 

As an enlisted man I could not call the MDs by their first names even though I knew many of them from playing on the company basketball, softball and volleyball teams and occasionally pulling ambulance duty in the ER when they were pulling on call duty.  We had some good friendships.  

One day during my hospitalization a visiting MD (a Colonel) from Walter Reed Hospital was with the docs making rounds and they stopped at my bed.  Since my dad was a retired Colonel I understood what was going on and I knew to be on good behavior.  As they were talking about my case I swear I heard the Colonel ask if I had been checked for latent psychosis.  Startled, I interrupted and asked what he had said.  I thought the docs had put him up to this to kind of tease me and jerk my chain.  The Colonel looked back and said that he asked if they had checked me regarding leukocytosis (white blood cell levels, if I remember correctly). 

I was relieved and embarrassed, the docs were all laughing, and the Colonel was perplexed.  They pointed out the name information on the end of my bed which included my company, Medical Company, and the clinic I worked in - Mental Hygiene Clinic.   He joined in and we all had a good laugh about it.  But there was that one moment I was not sure...  

Thanks again for posting the information.  I will be contacting the VA on Monday after the holiday.  I do have the 2 page discharge report of my hospitalization from 1969 that I will be taking with me to the VA Center.

Larry    


11/22/17 07:19 PM #2314    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Larry,

Hepatitis A, a viral disease, is totally different from liver flukes, which are parasites. The flukes infect the bile ducts and gall bladder (the biliary system) whereas viral hepatitis (all of them: A, B, C, D, E and G) infect the liver cells - hepatocytes- themselves. Hepatitis A is a self limited disease, one either heals or rarely, dies. There is no chronic form of it. Hep B and C can be chronic.

The flukes, if not treated early, can take up residence in the biliary system and remain there for decades. Initially patients may have symptoms but then be asymptomatic for those decades. Late sequallae include jaundice and some patients can develop biliary cancer (rare, cholangiocarcinoma).

The concern that is described in the news today is limited to the kinds of liver flukes found in SE Asia - Viet Nam - and infest man as an incidental host after ingesting raw or undercooked fish from FRESH waters in that region.

There is also a current outbreak of Hep A in California (mainly LA) related to unsanitary conditions among the homeless population and lack of toilets for them to use.

Checking with the VA is always a good idea.

Jim

11/22/17 08:56 PM #2315    

 

Deborah Alexander (Rogers)

Sorry to miss the luncheon on the 12th, but I will be out of town at my sister’s that weekend.  Have fun and post some pics!  


11/22/17 11:37 PM #2316    

 

David Mitchell

Happy Thanksgivng to all!

A thought for tomorrow: (today)

Many of you may know this, but the U.S. Armed Forces makes a big deal out of Thanksgiving dinner - no matter where. A full traditional turkey dinner, with mashed potatos and dressing with gravy. It is served hot and fairly fresh in some of the most remote and hostile locations you can imagine. I'll just leave you to ponder what a morale booster that can be. You might hold that thought in your hearts tomorrow as you say your Blessing and give thanks before you sit down to enjoy with family and loved ones. 

 

Jim and Larry,

No flukes. Some "flakes" maybe - but no flukes. My Shigella Disentery was due to dirty dishwater in our Squadron Mess Hall - (we think?). It only hit our Squadron - no other units on our base got it, but boy did it go though our group like wildfire - starting with me.

And Larry, you'll have to do better than 145 lbs. I hit 132 and Jack claimed to reach 130 when he came home. But after three days on a fluids tube in my arm at our lovely nearby Binh Thuy Field EVAC Hospital, my disentery did "qualify" me for induction into the "Royal Order of the Silver (probing) Tube" (all 12 inches of the damn thing!) 

"Now sir, If you'll just hop up on that table on all-fours, please".  

 Ohhhh, the humanity!!!! 

 

We were often met with kids who waited along the various little remote airstrips we worked out during the day's mission to sell (or trade) us Bannanas, Pineapples, loaves of French Baguettes (really good - seriously!),  or "re-filled" Cokes (in real Coke bottles). I can recall a few times where live chickens or fresh caught fish or eels (what kind, I have no idea) were being offered in baskets for sale by little old ladies. The kids were interested mostly in two items - cigarettes, or candy - which we often had with us. But plain chocolate was difficult to keep from melting by mid-morning heat. Sometims we offered them parts of our C-rations - most varieties of which we ourselves hated.

My "regular lunch crowd" at Moc Hoa  ("muck whah") - a tiny remote village north of us on the border of Cambodia  (near the famous "Parrott's Beak"). We "worked" out of the little airstrip there often, and these same kids were there waiting for me almost every time we went back. I had a photo of my favorite little kid, a tiny little guy with a "Suzuki" baseball cap who I photographed sitting in my seat in the aircraft.  I've lost that photo.

 

For a while, we did eat some wonderful little local "lobsters" known (I think?) as "Australian Crayfish". For a short time (maybe two weeks or so) we supported this one same unit of Special Forces ("Greenie Beanies") in a remote little camp near Ha Tiena tiny village near where the border of Cambodia meets the Gulf of Thailand (southern border of Cambodia, and then all the way left to the sea). We would take mail and suppplies to these guys that we worked with and supported for that short period of time. At the end of each day's misson they would load us up with cartons of these wonderfull fresh-caught "crayfish" - about half the size of a full-grown lobster, and with the slightest pinkish or peach cast to their almost white meat - and just a bit sweet. Mmmmm, I have never tasted a shellfish that good since !

Then one day, some high ranking Colonel from food services up in Saigon was visiting our Squadron Mess back home at Vinh Ling at lunch. He saw the crayfish, and asked what they were and where they had gotten them? This type of purchase of food off of the local economy was "outside of regulations", and he ordered it all thrown out, warned us never to do it again, and had the Chief Mess Seargent reprimanded for his actions. War is hell, but thank God for the brave leadrship of our superior officers and the concern they showed for our safety.

Many unkind wishes followed his name back to Saigon. 

 

Our "Slicks" unloading supplies at Ha Tien   (ARVN troops in foreground)


11/23/17 10:55 AM #2317    

 

Michael McLeod

Great shot on the beach, Dave. You have some incredible photos.

It's so bizarre to remember things that you took for granted in the service - the sheer day to day outlandishness of it that  after a while you just got used to. Well, sort of.

 


11/23/17 11:03 AM #2318    

 

David Mitchell

Mike,

"Sort of" is the operative word here.


11/23/17 12:36 PM #2319    

 

Daniel Cody

Liver flukes. A college mascot?


11/23/17 01:47 PM #2320    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Thank you Dave for sharing the picture of the children.heart 

May you all enjoy a Happy Thanksgiving as we pause today to reflect and to give thanks to God for our many, many blessings.

https://youtu.be/FdLDS7COr-0

 


11/23/17 02:17 PM #2321    

 

David Mitchell

Mary Margaret,

Perfect insert for today.

And in the backgound plays my mother's favorite old Methodist hymn       "Nearer My God to Thee".

That hymn always makes me think of her. Sweet!

 

 


11/24/17 11:28 AM #2322    

 

Michael McLeod

My father was raised methodist. He would sing a song, "sister lucy."

 

Sister lucy, she had a golden chain

Sister lucy, she had a golden chain

Sister lucy had a golden chain and every link was just the same

No hiding place down there

No hid place down there (hallelujah!)

No hiding place down there (praise the lord!)

I went to a rock to hide my face

and the rock cried out: oh, what a face!

No hiding place down there.

 

It was pretty peppy melody. When I was a kid that song was my only clue about the methodist church . I always though it sounded like more fun than catholicism.


11/24/17 12:07 PM #2323    

 

Mark Schweickart

Mike,

You probably liked that Methodist hymn because it feels like a precursor to all the weird psychedelic lyrics that we were to embrace a few years later, like:

There's a lady who's sure
All that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stairway to heaven
When she gets there she knows
If the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for
Oh oh oh oh and she's buying a stairway to heaven
There's a sign on the wall
But she wants to be sure
'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings
In a tree by the brook
There's a songbird who sings
Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiving
Ooh, it makes me wonder
Ooh, it makes me wonder
 
And, Mike,  your Methodist hymn definitely makes me wonder.  If I am wrong about this  being some sort of pre-psychedelic anthem, and that, instead, it made obvious sense to those devout Methodist parishioners belting this out during your childhood Sunday mornings, please share an explication with your un-hip Catholic classmates left scratching their heads.

11/24/17 01:03 PM #2324    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving and a nice trytophan-induced post-prandial nap.

Music and religion - interesting topic. I will grant that the music in the Catholic churches is not the most hip or has the catchiest of tunes (although the Catholic Cathedral on the Caribbean island of St. Thomas is an exception).

I feel that many of the younger evangelicals were attracted to that form of worship more because of the music than anything else. I attended a funeral a few years ago of a 20 year old who died in a climbing accident who was raised as an Evangelical and the front of the church was like a Christian rock concert. No altar, just a stage with a massive television screen above it. Very entertaining but not what I consider religious.

Jim

11/24/17 04:34 PM #2325    

 

David Mitchell

Jim,

That's my music routine every Sunday now. And I love it!  First heard it in my local Catholic church by a terriffic band years when I first moved down here. Could hardly beleive my ears!  Now it's my regular choice at a local Anglican Church (or an occasional non-denom church) which offers both types of sevices (on two campuses) - traditional or "non-denominatonal". I can hardly sit though a traditional service anymore (Catholic, Anglican, or whatever) without grinding my teeth at the dreary, lifeless, ananchronistic music.

And its also the type of music we feature at all of our "Marked Men for Christ" retreats. Powerful stuff when you crank it up loud and get 100+ guys really letting go (and with men fom 25 to 80). I just got to go to a concert a few weekends ago up in Charleston with Chris Tomlin and Matt Maher together - two of the very best in this genre.  Amazing!  

I have also gotten to experience an all black local church** for a few regular services and a massive funeral, where the entire town - all races - attended for a favorite son of the town. The crowd flowed out into the banquet hall and the parking lot. And the funeral choir music blew us away. Talk about upbeat music - they really know how to celbrate life in a positive way. 

 

kind of off topic but - local historical notes:

**That local church I refer to is Campbell Chapel AME (African Methodist Episcopal - or, "Always Meeting in the Evening" according to their current pastor Reverend Black). I have enjoyed - and been treated like royalty - at services there several times but missed a period when their much beloved temporary Pastor (for about a eyar) was one giant of a young man named Clementa Pinckney. He later moved to take over the "mother" church in Charleston -  "Mother Emanuel Church". You may have heard of it 2 years ago years ago in the news. Reverend Pinkney was one of the "nine". Wished I had taken the opportunity to meet him when I had the chance - a man loved by his Congregation and by both sides of the aisle in the Statehouse (he was also a State Represetative). The turnout for the local memorial service they held here in Bluffton for those nine was more white townsfolk than black, but try as they may have to make it triumphant, it could not rise above the mood of the awful event.

But my younger asssistant pastor took his oldest son (about 15 then) to a follow-up memorial service for the public at Mother Emanuel  in Charleston about a week after the murders. He showed us videos of the music and the singing, with loud "Hallelujahs" and clapping and foot stomping. He's kind of an intellectual "hip" young Anglican priest (with 6 kids!), and he said it was the single most spiritually uplifting moment he had ever experienced!  


11/25/17 08:40 AM #2326    

 

Michael McLeod

Ask and ye shall recieve, Mark: 

  • Robert Plant recalled writing the lyrics in a flash of inspiration. Said Plant: "I was holding a pencil and paper, and for some reason I was in a very bad mood. Then all of a sudden my hand was writing out the words, 'There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold/And she's buying a stairway to heaven.' I just sat there and looked at the words and then I almost leapt out of my seat."

    Plant's implication that something else was moving his pencil for him led to speculation that it was Satan who was dictating the words, and along with the backward messages and Page's Aleister Crowley connection, there was enough evidence for many listeners that the devil had some role in creating this song.
  • This is rumored to contain backward satanic messages, as if Led Zeppelin sold their souls to the devil in exchange for "Stairway To Heaven." Supporting this theory is the fact that Jimmy Page bought Aleister Crowley's house in Scotland, known as Boleskine House. In his books, Crowley advocated that his followers learn to read and speak backwards.

 


11/25/17 09:11 AM #2327    

 

Janie Albright (Blank)

Joe Gentilini just sent me this. Steve Hodges dad passed away. The arrangements are viewing on Monday, November 27 from 2-4 and 6-8 p.m. at John Quint Treboni Funeral Home, 1177 East Fifth Avenue, Columbus.  Additional visitation on Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 10 a.m.at St. Timothy Church, 1088 Thomas Lane, Columbus with a funeral Mass at 10:30. Burial at Resurrection Cemetery.

http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/dispatch/obituary.aspx?n=willis-holland-hodges&pid=187334131&referrer=0&preview=True

 


11/25/17 11:09 AM #2328    

 

Mark Schweickart

Mike -- That's all very interesting about Plant's lyrics, but I was just using that as an example of surrealistic lyrics that border on the nonsensical. I was looking for an explication of the Methodist hymn, not a dive into backwards-listening Led Zeppelin. So I am still asking. What's the golden chain, what's the hiding place, what's the rock to hide your face? In other words, What the Frank, dude, is this hymn talking about?


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