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08/13/21 01:52 PM #9806    

 

Michael McLeod

So I asked my significant other to sum up what condition her class of forty 6-to-8 year-old public school montessori students were in for their first week in a classroom since schools were closed down more than a year and a half ago because of the virus. Bear in mind her hold on them had been limited last year because they were being taught on line, so the children had the virtual-world, home-field advantage. Half of them were secretly playing video games on a second screen ("Victoria! What are you doing? I can see the reflection of super mario in your glasses!") while she was trying to teach geography or whatever. And needless to say many of their parents, working or otherwise, were too overtaxed and stressed out by the circumstances to be of much help in terms of tamping down the wildness and keeping the kids on point for school. And the back to school scene is always a gangsta  proposition, especially for that age group.

Anyway, here was the deadpan, bedragged, and very brief overall description of the first week of school status of her charges that Denise gave me. I think she was to tired to say much more.:

"They're feral," she said.

I will only add that I have no doubt whatsoever that she can deal with it. 

I would be running in the other direction, and I would not look back until I found cover.

 

 


08/13/21 02:21 PM #9807    

 

Michael McLeod

Meanwhile:

 

This from the washington post:

 

The Census Bureau has released new figures showing the increasing diversity of the United States. It’s a complicated and fascinating picture, and one that contains the seeds of even greater political division and anger.

In a better world, the new data would lead us to celebrate the intricate mosaic of American life. In this one, we’re going to fall further into a cycle of recrimination and revanchism that both left and right, for opposite reasons, will wind up feeding.

The headline everywhere is that Whites have fallen to their lowest share ever of the U.S. population, from 63.7 percent in 2010 to 57.8 percent in 2020. It has happened for a number of reasons: an aging White population, higher birthrates among some minority populations, immigration and changing ways in which people think of themselves. Strikingly, the number of Americans who call themselves multiracial more than tripled in the past 10 years, from 9 million to 33.8 million.

The many nuances of these figures will not, however, be understood by most Americans. That’s in large part because on the right, the simplest version of the story — Whites are declining, minorities are increasing — will be used as fuel for a preexisting narrative and political project, both to generate anger and increase Republicans’ urgency to solidify minority rule.

That’s not all that will distress White conservatives: Most of the growth has been occurring in metropolitan areas, and a majority of those under 18 are non-White as well. The counties that are growing are mostly dominated by Democrats; the ones shrinking are mostly dominated by Republicans.

While we’ve known about these demographic trends for years, the greater specificity of the new data provides an opportunity for conservative media to refocus on the threat — racial, ethnic and political — posed to their audience by America’s changing identity. Within the larger narrative of conservative victimization is a specifically racial story: that people who look like you are surrounded, besieged, marginalized and threatened by hostile populations aiming to wipe you out.

That’s why Tucker Carlson, the most popular host on cable news, has been aggressively promoting “replacement” theory, the common white nationalist idea of a conspiracy to “replace” White Americans with dark-skinned immigrants. The country is changing, Carlson asserts to the cheers of white supremacists, because Democrats are importing “more obedient voters from the Third World.” The scheme, he says, is that to “win and maintain power, Democrats plan to change the population of the country.”

In other words, it’s not just steady demographic change that your children are perfectly comfortable with and you might want to learn to live with, it’s a sinister conspiracy whose goal is the destruction of everything you believe in.

What do you do in the face of that threat? You put up walls and pass laws forbidding the classroom discussion of racism, of course, but you also use every technique you can think of to ensure that the party that represents you will be able to hold power for as long as possible despite being outnumbered. That includes aggressive gerrymandering, voter suppression and perhaps even an attempt to steal the 2024 presidential election, doing with more careful planning and execution what Donald Trump failed to accomplish in 2020.

Here’s where the cycle of anger really begins to spin, because Republicans aren’t the only ones getting upset. Democrats — members of the party that represents the diverse America of the present and future — are already angry about the success Republicans have had in solidifying minority rule, anger that will only increase over time.

Each Republican political success made possible by the system’s inability to translate majority opinion into a democratic distribution of power — for instance, Republicans winning Congress in the 2022 midterms despite representing a minority of voters — will increase liberal grievance. That will occur even as conservatives are being encouraged to nurture their own grievance and fear at liberals’ continuing hold on cultural power.

So the increasing diversification of the United States will give both sides reason to be angry: conservatives because they fear their continued decline, and liberals because they’re locked out of power commensurate with their numbers.

This is a long-term problem, but it could be particularly acute in the next couple of years. Already we’re seeing a rising tide of anger from vaccinated liberals at both unvaccinated conservatives and the Republican politicians who seem determined to prolong the pandemic.

Lurking in the background is one Donald J. Trump, who would love little more than to create a bonfire of rage that engulfs the entire nation. While his ability to do so right now is limited given his Twitter and Facebook lockout and the news media’s waning interest in his every utterance, that could change if he runs for president in 2024 — and there are some indications he’s seriously considering it.

Should he go through with it, there’s no mystery about what such a campaign would be about: white grievance. Nor is there any doubt what it would produce: Unending, boiling fury, directed from right to left and vice versa. In fact, that could be what we’re in for no matter what.

 


08/13/21 05:37 PM #9808    

 

Frank Ganley

Mike. , I don't care what Google says!!!!! Either about trump or Biden , I WANT YOU  TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS !!!!! 


08/14/21 10:46 AM #9809    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Regarding post #9805

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/google-search-algorithms-are-not-impartial-they-are-biased-just-ncna849886

 


08/14/21 11:48 AM #9810    

 

Michael Boulware

Frank,

I have a difficult time trying to figure out just what your questions are? You seem to be answering them yourself. When people do that they usually don't want answers, they usually want an affirmation. We have differing points of view. Let's leave it at that. I had to respond to you because you called anyone who does not agree with you a "commie". I responded with some name calling of my own; I called the leader of your party as a Fascist. Reminds me of the old "So's your Mama " days.


08/14/21 03:07 PM #9811    

 

John Maxwell

Ahem, these pre-mutant discussions are boring, disrespectful and drone on and on and on. Loveless and rife with negativity. Spare each other your various opinions and take comfort in knowing that each of you have them. Some day we, as a species, we will evolve into not having the need for questions and reasons, and just enjoy the fact that love is the answer to everything, and won't that be nice.

08/14/21 03:33 PM #9812    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Regarding post #9804 

Would this quote be characterized as misinformation and conspiracy theory?  "Millions of Americans voted for Joe Biden because they disliked President Trump’s demeanor, and his temperament, and his tweets. Well, this is their reward. Record inflation, record deficit spending, open borders (one million in 7 months), sky-rocketing crime, and the stability of the world in a freefall (Iran, Cuba, Afganistan)."  And by the way.....all of this disruption is purposeful to bring instability and unrest to America and the western world so as to create division and mistrust among the populace and when the tyranny becomes too great, there will be a reckoning. 
From the words of  Van Jones...."top down, bottom up, inside out."   https://sovereignnations.com/2019/08/21/plan-change-everything-top-down-bottom-up-inside-out/
 
 

08/14/21 03:41 PM #9813    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Jack.....Some of us have tried to take politics off of the Message Forum and were called out by other readers of this forum for being afraid to share our differing views, claiming that we were all adults and mature enough to dialogue about contentious issues.  Perhaps Janie could put up another survey to learn how the majority feel.  

 

 


08/14/21 03:49 PM #9814    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Regarding post #9803....I can honestly speak for my Dad who fought in WW II as the youngest Army officer ever promoted to rank of Major and was under the command of Gen. Patton's 3rd Army and was among the soldiers who personally entered and liberated a German concentration camp, for my brother, Jimmy who was awarded  his Purple Heart by stepping on a land mine in Viet Nam and for Crick who honorably served for 2 years near the DMZ in Korea and later for 9 months in 2004-05 in Kosovo...that their goal was never to defend Democratic Socialism......EVER!    


08/14/21 05:37 PM #9815    

 

Mary Ann Nolan (Thomas)

MM,

In regard to your father and his service let me tell you about my Dad and his service. He graduated from law school and immediately signed up for the military JAG CORPS.and was sent to the Phillipnes where he tried Japanese war criminals. He was then sent to Germany where he was involved in the Neuremburg Trials. He wasn't prosecuting socialists but fascists . You may want to review your WWII acumen..

 

 

 

 

 

 


08/14/21 08:41 PM #9816    

Lawrence Foster

I just recently finished reading a great history of the Statue of Liberty written by none other than our classmate Mark Schweickart.  And I suggest, recommend, encourage you to contact him and ask him to send you a copy for your reading pleasure.  

Mark has delved into the story/life of Frédéric Auguste Bartholdi the designer of the Statue of Liberty and written a screenplay that is really fascinating.  For a guy who was an English Literature major in college he sure knows a hell of a lot of history.  I am amazed at all the interconnections with so many different people that he has brought out.  

The screenplay is a multi-part series, running some 360 pages.  But becasue it is a screenplay there is not much text per page, as compared to the amount in a straight novel format.  So the page count is not as daunting as it may seem.

Mark also wrote a 2-page summary that would be used as a "pitch" to movie producers, etc.  You could also ask him to send that so that if it could give you reference points as you read along.  


08/15/21 01:41 AM #9817    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mary Ann, I could not begin to thank your father enough, nor all the men and women who served our nation throughout all the years of our history for their sefless dedication and sacrifice.  I referenced Democratic Socialism in regard to Mike B's comment that Americans are now living under such a government.  My point was that my father, brother, husband and your father were not defending a democratic socialist nation whose framework for governance involves the redistribution of wealth, the rejection of historical precedence, the replacement of religion by a secular theocracy and the abandonment of individual initiative in favor of collective authority, rather they were defending the handiwork of the Founding Fathers....a constitutional republic whose Constitution sets forth the fundamental principles of this country...individual liberty, free markets, electoral choice and the rule of law.  One relies on centralized power and control and the other on American individualism and freedom of thought, speech and enterprise.

 


08/15/21 07:42 AM #9818    

 

Frank Ganley

Mike , I will ask questions that you can answer so you don't think I want valudation. What is your feeling on open borders allowing anybody to cross the border and they are in and receiving more benefits than any retiree?


08/15/21 08:29 AM #9819    

 

Frank Ganley

Do you support the riots in our cities with antifa BLM  


08/15/21 10:03 AM #9820    

 

Michael Boulware

Okay,

I support people's right to protest. I do not support riots and destruction.

I support our immigration laws. I do not support a useless wall on the Mexican border. I was surprised to find out that more immigrants come through the Canadian border than through the Mexican border. 

I hope that answers your questions Frank. I do not want to post for awhile; I would rather read Mike McLeod's posts. I think he is a very talented person for a commie.


08/15/21 12:30 PM #9821    

 

Michael McLeod

Thanks for the compliment, comrade.I have a story coming up I think you will enjoy. It's a ground-level look at how people resolve differences.


08/15/21 12:30 PM #9822    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike B.  I know you said you would step back from the Forum for awhile, but I wonder if you could you please provide the source for the information you discovered that "more immigrants come through the northern border than they do the southern border".  I understand that the Canadian border is very expansive and that many illegal drugs are flowing through these borders as well as the threat of Islamic terrorists, some homegrown in Canada, but I failed to find evidence that the northern border could possibly pose a greater threat than the one along the Mexican border given that, in just the past 8 months, there have been greater numbers of migrants arriving along the southern border than there has been in almost twenty years..

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/southwest-land-border-encounters/usbp-sw-border-apprehensions

https://www.westernjournal.com/report-50000-immigrants-released-us-without-court-date-small-fraction-report-ice/

https://twitter.com/Anna_Giaritelli/status/1423397269550899208/photo/1


08/15/21 01:22 PM #9823    

 

Frank Ganley

Such a shame that there is no discussion on the left to support their thoughts such as. In your opinion a useless southern wall with so many criminals coming in and hands and drugs. Read the data and numbers before the wall was started and how now it is just short of a massive migration to the land of free entry, free schooling, free college, free medical. Much more than our own citizens receive of any kind and mych more that our wounded, sick and homeless vets who did everything to protect our way of life! Since you are having others take over for you, why are no Cubans allowed in to emigrate to the USA. They are all are stopped and returned to cuba! Why! Why are mexicans etc allowed in with no proof a vaccinations of any kind, no proof of income and no skills.! Why? My thought is the more of these people from the southern border , given everything from the democratic side will forever be grateful of the democrats control congress 


08/15/21 03:18 PM #9824    

 

Thomas McKeon

AMERICA IN A NUTSHELL
 
By Dave Ramsey
 
“This morning, I realized that everything is about to change. 
No matter how I vote, no matter what I say, lives are never going to be  the same. 
I have been confused by the hostility of family and friends.
 
I look at people I have known all my life so hate-filled that they agree with opinions they would never express as their own. 
I think that I may well have entered the Twilight Zone.
 
You can't justify this insanity. We have become a nation that has lost its collective mind. 
We see other countries going Socialist and collapsing, but it seems like a great plan to us. 
Somehow it’s un-American for the census to count how many Americans are in America.
  
People who say there is no such thing as gender are demanding afemale President.
 
Universities that advocate equality, discriminate against Asian-Americans in favor of African-Americans. 
Some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, and other people are not held responsible for what they are doing right now.
 
Criminals are caught-and-released to hurt more people, but stopping them is bad because it's a violation of THEIR rights. 
People who have never owned slaves should pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves. 
After legislating gender, if a dude pretends to be a woman, you are required to pretend with him.
 
People who have never been to college should pay the debts of college students who took out huge loans for their degrees.
Immigrants with tuberculosis and polio are welcome, but you’d better be able to prove your dog is vaccinated.
 
Irish doctors, Spanish architects, and German engineers who want to immigrate to the US must go through a rigorous vetting process, but any illiterate gang-bangers who jump the southern fence are welcomed. 
$5 billion for border security is too expensive, but $1.5 trillion for “free” health care is not. 
If you cheat to get into college you go to prison, but if you cheat to get into the country you go to college for free. 
And, pointing out all this hypocrisy somehow makes us "racists"!
 
Nothing makes sense anymore, no values, no morals, no civility and people are dying of a Chinese virus, but it is racist to refer to it as Chinese even though it began in China. 
We are clearly living in an upside-down world where right is wrong and wrong is right, where moral is immoral and immoral is moral, where good is evil and evil is good, where killing murderers is wrong, but killing innocent babies is right.
 
Wake up America. 
The great unsinkable ship Titanic America has hit an iceberg, is taking on water and sinking fast and we need all the help we can get!!!

08/15/21 11:13 PM #9825    

 

David Mitchell

I will try to maintain my policy of being an "equal opportunity" disrespector of both parties - neither of which seem to possess the loyalty or the common sense that my dog had.

 

For the last few days I have been watching the fall of Afghanistan, and the shockingly fast pace at which it has unfolded. This photo of a Chinook helicopter above Kabul brings back that awful memory of that last days in Saigon, and it makes me sick. Once again, we fail to understand the situation, squander hundreds of millions of dollars, and thousands of brave Ameircan lives, while continuing to ask our allies to trust us. For what? All because Bush was ignorant, that Obama and Chump were utter incompetent cowards, and that Joe B. is dumber than ditch water.

 

This is all mostly on four men.  (well, mostly - let us not forget Donald Rumsfeld and a few others)

First;  Bush Jr. for having gotten us into this quagmire. Yes, I supported that decison - at that time. I had no idea we would bungle the assigment so badly.

Second;  8 years of Obama, litterally frittering away hundreds of millions, without really ever having an end game objective. Well, "teaching" Afghan troops was a noble idea, but why no serious effort to destroy the enemy in it's nests? What a complete waste!

Third:   Chump my favorite "whore-mongering draft dodger".  I am still unable to grasp the insane idea of negotiating this withdrawal, not with our allies, but with the enemy!  What a bizarre and cowardly betrayal!  But of course, he had practice as a cowardly betrayer. Remember the Kurds - who fought and died by our sides only to be tossed on a trash heap of humiliation and mass executions? 

Fourth;  And now comes the final act. I am utterly dumbstruck at the stupidity and disloyalty of Joe B. Could he have miscalculated this mess any worse than he has? And to add insult to injury, to say "it's not my problem". Shame on you Joe!

(both Chump and Joe B. kept announcing withdawal dates. Have you ever heard of such a stupid thing in your life? "Okay Taliban, here's the exact time and date when we will be most vulnerable. You can plan on killing more of us if you wait to attack then.")

It is my opinion that this will go down as one of the greatest humanitarian screw-ups of all time. And it seems likely it will only give comfort to the future of middle-East terrorism.


08/16/21 12:15 AM #9826    

 

John Jackson

Dave, it sorely pains me to me admit it, but I’m appalled by the events of the last few days.  The eventual outcome was predictable but the pace is astonishing.  I’m sure our priorities are to evacuate embassy staff, but what about the 50,000+ drivers, interpreters, government officials and their families who have worked with us?  Some of them in Kabul may make it  to the airport but what about those in the outlying cities that have been overwhelmed in the last few days?

Afghanistan has been a quagmire for any nation that has tried to intervene in its affairs over the past century including Russia/USSR which was bled dry by their intervention – one of the reasons cited for the fall of the Berlin Wall.

For those of you who think the mainstream media is totally in the tank of libs like me, their coverage (including NYT and Washington Post) has been non-stop and  unsparing.  One of my favorite pundits on these matters is MSNBC's Admiral James Stavridis, a former Supreme Commander of NATO in Europe.  He argued that we have gotten really good about maintaining relatively small (3000—3500 troops) forces that have kept otherwise utterly dysfunctional countries (like Iraq) from going completely down the tubes.  So why not Afghanistan?

For those of you on the other side of the fence I’ll also point out that Trump’s timetable for withdrawal was even more aggressive than Biden’s and there was absolutely no thought/planning  (was there ever any serious thought/planning in the Trump administration?) to take care of the Afghans who assisted us.

And I’m sure many America Firsters out there would say “What the hell do we care?”

 


08/16/21 01:43 AM #9827    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

John, what is appalling to me is your total mischaracterization of anyone who voted for Trump as not caring about the fate of the people of Afghanistan!  This generalization is one of the main reasons we are being pulled apart as Americans. I don't know if any of you have heard of the extreme lockdown measures the citizens of France, Canada & Australia are currently living under, but this recent Instagram video of Australians warning what awaits America if we ourselves do not take heed of their oppressive situation and do not stop complying with the coercive measures being imposed here by our own authoritarian government & health officials.  The mass restrictive orders being issued to freedom loving people around the entire world is a bad omen of things to come.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSmQq_EFYD_/?utm_medium=share_sheet

 


08/16/21 07:55 AM #9828    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

Dear Mr. Mitchell,

Per an earlier request from you, and my inability to reach you by e-mail, PLEASE let me know ifyou canbe in Columbus on either Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday of this week.

jdmcc9@att.net    or  (503)  956-1496

Joe

 


08/16/21 08:33 AM #9829    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

Since I have been inthe Eastern part of the U.S.A. for just about two weeks I finally was able last evening after dinner to take one of, usually, the first stops inColumbus.  I may have repeated this before, but Franklin County has a great, fantastic, unmeasurable, (enough with the plattidues) resources of anycity/county I've ever lived in or visited.  The Franklin County Engineering officeson Rt. 33.

The Franklin County Engineers office is located on Rt.  33 just West of Rt. 315, and west of the downtown.  It is just west of the Old Post Office building and the water faciilities.  To access it when driving West past Rt. 315 you proceed (slowly) just a short distance past the traffic light to the Post office and on the Right is the Enineers building.   To access it while driving East towards the downtown you have to turn at the light to the Post Office and turn around so that you are heading West, then follow the above steps.

Once you enter the driveway there is a divided area for inbound and outbound traffic.  Start to circle, and directly acroos from the door to the building, on the divided area is a plastic (box) that you want.  

Right now the box contains FREE  Franklin County Road and Street Locator map  (2020 -  2030 Edition),  and for the first time A Franklin County Road Atlas and Street Locator (think Rand Mcnally book).

Joe


08/16/21 01:32 PM #9830    

 

David Mitchell

Joe,

I was in Cincy for 5 days last week visiting my youngest daughter. I thougtht about a one-day trip to meet a few people in Columbus, but I was having such a great time with my daughter tht I just stayed put. But we would have missed each other anyway.


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