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01/06/21 09:28 AM #8770    

 

Michael McLeod

Dave:

Today will be ugly but it will pass.

Misinformation and q-anon crazies are unfortunately here to stay.

Here's a handy guide to some of their most common misconceptions - or "lies" if you don't feel like being polite about it. I'm in favor of a long-term bi-partisan fact finding enterprise to reassure a reeling electorate about all this so we can proceed to deal with more pragmatic issues over the next four years.

No, ‘glitches’ in Dominion Voting Machines did not change vote tallies.

Claim: Dominion Voting Systems, which makes software that local governments around the nation use to help run their elections, deleted votes for President Trump.

Fact: There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, including the machines with Dominion software, according to the federal agency that oversees election security.

In the weeks after the election, President Trump and his supporters spread baseless claims about Dominion. The claims included theories that “software glitches” changed vote tallies in several states, including Michigan and Georgia. No such changes were ever found.

Mr. Trump and his supporters subsequently claimed that Dominion had hidden evidence of voter fraud, both by destroying machines or removing parts within the machines. Mr. Trump repeated those claims during a call with Georgia’s secretary of state last weekend. Gabriel Sterling, a top election official in Georgia, said Monday of the claims of election fraud in the state, “This is all easily, provably false.”

No, politicians in Georgia did not prevent an analysis of absentee ballots.

Claim: President Trump and his supporters have claimed that absentee ballots in Georgia were rife with fraud and that state officials have not fully investigated.

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Fact: Election officials have audited absentee ballots and found “no fraudulent absentee ballots.”

The Georgia secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, ordered law enforcement and election investigators to conduct an audit of more than 15,000 absentee ballot envelopes in Cobb County, based on a complaint that signatures were not adequately checked there. The audit found no fraud. Mr. Raffensperger has said that he also plans a statewide audit of each county’s signature-match policies and procedures.

 

Georgia has already conducted two recounts, both by hand and machine, of all five million ballots cast in the state. No voting fraud was found.

No, thousands of votes in Arizona were not changed to favor Biden.

Claim: In an interview on the conservative cable channel Newsmax in December, the Arizona Republican chairwoman, Kelli Ward, said 200,000 ballots were digitally changed to give the victory to Mr. Biden, and Representative Paul Gosar amplified the falsehood on Twitter.

 

Fact: Audits in Arizona have found no evidence of voter fraud, or changed vote tallies.

While early results in Arizona showed a close race, the final count revealed that Mr. Biden had won the state by more than 10,000 votes.

Audits in Arizona’s four largest counties, which make up 86 percent of all votes in the state, turned up no evidence of systematic voter fraud.

No, election workers didn’t stuff fraudulent ballots into suitcases.

Claim: President Trump’s supporters have pointed to a video as proof that ballots were pulled from a “suitcase” at a vote-counting center in Atlanta.

Fact: Election officials have said the surveillance video shows normal ballot processing. It is not unusual practice for poll workers to store ballots that still need to be counted on-site at the polling center.

As reported by The New York Times, late on Nov. 3, election workers in Fulton County, Ga., heard that they would be allowed to stop the vote-counting and retire for the evening. So they packed uncounted ballots into suitcases and prepared to lock up. When word came that they couldn’t leave yet, they dragged the suitcases back out and began counting the ballots again.

But that scene of election workers taking out suitcases of ballots was selectively edited and pushed by allies of President Trump as one of the many false theories purportedly proving widespread election fraud. The conspiracists also named the election worker Ruby Freeman as a specific player in this false conspiracy event.

No, there isn’t evidence that Pennsylvania election officials violated state law.

Claim: President Trump’s campaign has claimed that Pennsylvania election officials improperly handled tens of thousands of mail-in ballots in violation of state election law.

 

Fact: The Trump campaign’s legal efforts to disqualify votes in Pennsylvania have been unsupported by evidence.

The Trump campaign filed several claims in court seeking to invalidate Pennsylvania’s election results, and one ally of Mr. Trump, Senator Josh Hawley, has said he would challenge the results because he believed “some states, particularly Pennsylvania, failed to follow their own state election laws.”

But the Trump campaign has included no evidence that any vote had been cast illegally.

In a hearing on Nov. 17, President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, acknowledged he had no proof to back up his claims of voter fraud in Pennsylvania. “This is not a fraud case,” Mr. Giuliani said.

Four days later, the judge overseeing the case dismissed the lawsuit. It was also shot down last month by Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, who said in a ruling, “Calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”

 


01/06/21 10:00 AM #8771    

 

John Jackson

Dave and Mike, as at least a dozen Republican senators and scores of  Republican congressmen prepare today's assault on the 2020 election results and American  democracy, this article from The Onion brings it all into perspective:

Rueful Trump Wishes He Knew Republicans This Willing To Overthrow Democracy Earlier In Term

WASHINGTON—Looking back in disappointment at all the opportunities that had been wasted, a crestfallen Donald Trump told sources Monday he wished he had known much earlier in his presidency how willing congressional Republicans were to simply overthrow democracy. “God, if I’d known how far all these senators were willing to go back in 2017 or 2018, I could have had everything I wanted with no problem at all,” said Trump, who bemoaned his belated realization of how easily the democratic process—which had held up construction on the border wall and the handing out of government contracts to his allies—could just be tossed aside.

“Obviously, there was some kind of breakdown in communication here. If we had been on the same page since day one, we could have skipped the whole 2018 midterm! I could have declared martial law, appointed Republican supermajorities to Congress, and had all the tax cuts and immigration crackdowns I wanted. Why the hell did they wait until now to show their support for a complete authoritarian takeover? Do they feel like they can’t talk to me?”

At press time, White House sources confirmed Trump had asked Chief of Staff Mark Meadows to implement a plan for improved coordination with congressional Republicans during his second term.

 


01/06/21 11:31 AM #8772    

 

David Mitchell

Watching the video of the people chanting "Traitor, Traitor, Traitor" to Senator Romney on his flight to Washington this morning is sickening!  

 

 


01/06/21 11:43 AM #8773    

 

Michael McLeod

Aw Dave can't understand why you'd be upset -- you're just another old dude who risked your life on their behalf. 


01/06/21 12:00 PM #8774    

 

David Mitchell

.....and gettting older by the day

 


01/06/21 05:05 PM #8775    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_michigan_forensics_report_%5b121320%5d_v2_%5bredacted%5d.pdf

https://files.constantcontact.com/2438cc3e001/c22409e3-9d56-48a4-909f-0f2930c1843a.pdf


01/06/21 06:17 PM #8776    

 

David Barbour

Dave M,

Look at that hair!  Those curls, man, I'm jealous!!

Dave B.


01/06/21 06:27 PM #8777    

 

David Mitchell

So, Mary Margaret,

Are you saying you approve today's riots in the U.S. Captial building?

 

And isn't that the same Russell James Ramsland, Jr. who was running an illegal fund raising scam in Texas back in 2015?

Some intersting articles in Rueters and the Detroit Free Press about his bizarre mis- statements about the voting results in those counties mentioned in your link.

He used several counties twice and gave two hugely different voting totals in several other counties. (Like officials wouldn't catch the one where he showed had a voter turnout of  something like 700% of the registered voters - really?) 

Sounds like that Harvard degree didn't do much for his math skills.

Or his intergity.


01/06/21 06:45 PM #8778    

 

David Mitchell

I just now watched his tweet from late today. Simply Unblelievable!

",,,,they stole the election. We won by a landslide,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,go home . We love you."

This man is seriously deranged !


01/06/21 07:13 PM #8779    

 

Michael McLeod

Dave - correct me if I am wrong but didn't you have your intergity removed a couple of years back?


01/06/21 08:20 PM #8780    

 

David Mitchell

No. That was a frontal lobe.


01/06/21 09:26 PM #8781    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

EMERGENCY NOVENA FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

Recite the Memorare 9 times in petition, and then once more in thanksgiving. 

Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary,
that never was it known
that anyone who fled to thy  protection,implored thy help, or sought thine intercession,
was left unaided.
Inspired by this confidence,
I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother.
To thee do I come, before thee I stand, 
sinful and sorrowful.
O Mother of the Word Incarnate,
despise not my petitions,
but in thy mercy, hear and answer me.
Amen.


01/06/21 09:56 PM #8782    

 

John Jackson

The bald eagle in MM’s post above isn't praying - he's bowing his head in utter disgust at what happened at the Capitol today.

 

Image


01/06/21 10:14 PM #8783    

 

Thomas McKeon

I prayed


01/06/21 11:14 PM #8784    

 

Michael McLeod

Nervy. I'll show you nervy. Fox news trying to tell us that antifa agitators infiltrated the crowd today. Yep I KNEW some of those trumpsters looked a little too hip.


01/06/21 11:37 PM #8785    

 

David Mitchell

I can't wait for Joe to take office so I can start ranting against Liberals.

 

But in the meantime, earlier tonight I attended the feast of the Epiphany service at my church. We had a service with an awfully small turnout. How disappointing.

While I was there, my thoughts were wandering all over the place. The day had brought a deluge of thoughts about my loyalties and beliefs.  

I was thinking about the baby Jesus and his arrival and life on earth. It ocurred to me that Jesus never ran in a primary, or attended a single political fund-raiser. Last time I checked, he never even got on a talk radio show. And if memory serves me correctly, he didn't even have his real estate license. jeesh!

He never even registered as a Democrat or Republican.

What a loser. 

 

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Long before tonight, I had long since written my Senator Lindsey Graham off as a total coward. Wow did he ever surprize me tonight with his "enough is enough, count me out" statement. I almost cried. I think he was sending a message to his other Republican counterparts. And I think (hope) they heard him.

 


01/07/21 12:15 AM #8786    

 

Michael McLeod

Pretty sure this is the first time a president of the u.s. got a timeout. How suitable that this sadly historic day ends for our bratty and soon to be ex-prez with the kind of punishment you mete out to the class troublemaker:  He's banned from facebook and his twitter account is suspended for 12 hours because of posts he made that were judged to aggravate the situation.

"You go to your room, mister, and you think about what you did!"

 


01/07/21 12:04 PM #8787    

 

David Mitchell

Reading the Memorare brings back memories. Mary and I used to say one together every day for the saffety and health of our kids.

 


01/07/21 01:18 PM #8788    

 

Michael McLeod

Ok Dave if that's how you feel you have to turn in your temporary pass to all our liberals-only events - no more "Socialism Sunday" brunches for you! No more Libtard Library privileges - yeah and checking your records you've got a couple of Karl Marx Superhero Action Comix overdue - so turn them in now and begone with you, capitalist pig! 


01/07/21 01:45 PM #8789    

Joseph Gentilini

This is in response to Mike M. #8807.  Trump and his supporters take no responsibility for anything they do.  I believe the mob and trump should be arrested and convicted of treason.  Joe


01/07/21 04:07 PM #8790    

 

John Maxwell

I wonder if the timing of the insurrection was deliberate to coincide with the Epiphany? I thought Pelosi's remarks were quite apt.

Take heed, the events of the past few days are far from over. This past year has been one of the darkest in our history, but sitting on our couches and watching in shock I found a futile activity. We must be motivated and pay close attention what we tell our grandchildren. There is no excuse for allowing this threat to their future to stand. The proliferation of misinformation, labling and name calling has to end. We, like it or not, are all Americans. We have a responsibility to uphold our laws, and support the authority of our collective community. We must include all Americans in spite of their gender identification, political beliefs, ethnicity, relegious faith, and economic standing. We must stay humble and cautious of those who spout dislike for our differences, our flaws, and our strengths. There can be no prejudice, and inclusion must be a standard that we hold dear. We cannot close our dearest God given gifts, our mind, heart and spirit. Admittedly I am guilty of violations of each and every one of the things I've mentioned, and I am devoted to change. My hipocracy knows no bounds, and am far from perfect. But I commit to try to correct the mistakes I've made in my effort to love my fellow human beings. It's all there is in this life. And life is not a dress rehearsal.

We cannot live in fear. The home of the brave cannot be just a lyric. It must be felt in our heart. There will always be those who prey on those of us who are perceived as weak. The greed and averice that exists are strong aphrodisiacs and create many of the problems we endure. The race for riches and wealth is a constant. Those who partake of the opportunities afforded by our capitalistic lifestyle often leave destroyed souls in its wake. We must guard our integrity and self respect by tempering this pursuit. The Earth and life depend on the level of ignorance rendered in this arena.

I'd like to leave you with a bit of humor from a friend who dug through her grandmother's personal effects after she passed away. One is from sixth graders answers to a history test and the other is from Sunday school kids answers to questions about the Old and New Testaments.

Ancient Egypt was inhabited by mummies and they all wrote in hydraulics. They lived in the Sarah Dessert. The climate of the Sarah is such that all inhabitants had to live elsewhere.

Delegates from the original 13 states formed the Content Congress. Thomas Jefferson, a Virgin, and Benjamin Franklin were singers of the Declaration of Independence. Franklin discovered electricity by rubbing two cats backward and declared, "A horse divided against itself cannot stand." Franklin died in 1790 and is still dead.

The Jews were a proud people and throughout history they had problems with the unsympathetic genitals.

Christians have only one spouse. This is called monotony.

Covid advice:
Bathe thoroughly and be kind to animals.

01/07/21 05:05 PM #8791    

 

David Mitchell

Amen to what Jack has just said - and rather well put indeed.

 

And I agree with Joe. Why are there no official calls for arrests for Trump, his son, and Rudy. This was clear and simple case of insurrection, sedition, and inciting to riot. Those are all illegal acts. Listenign to his thug son threateneing every Republican lawmaker who did not side with the objectors was pretty disgusting.  

If this passes without some more serious form of punishment or at least Censure, we can expect more. I won't be surpised to see Young Senator Josh Hawley try to play the "hero" role and keep this frenzy alive until he runs for the nomination in this (so-called) Republican Party in 2024. He was reportedly fist pumping to the crowds as he entered the Capital building earlier in the day. 

And I am still completely baffled at the lack of response from the Capital police. Videos now emerging of the police letting them in, and taking sefies with them are extremely disturbing. 

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Dave B. As per the "photo" - I had just washed my hair and couldn't do a thing with it.


01/07/21 07:03 PM #8792    

 

Michael McLeod

There's a photo of the fist pump.

I feel like posing for one myself at this point.


01/07/21 10:29 PM #8793    

 

John Jackson

You have to be a real loser when you’re a Republican President and the Wall Street Journal editorial board calls on you to resign:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-final-days-11610062773

 

 


01/07/21 10:40 PM #8794    

 

Timothy Lavelle

Jim H.,

Help me out here. I have written several mental (only) e-mails to you today. Only now have I been close enough to a computer to follow through.

You can imagine my dismay with events of yesterday. 

What might be harder to imagine is that I wonder if anything that took place in DC had any affect on your thinking about Donald Trump. I am not asking to put you on the spot, although of course, I am doing just that, but more because you seem to think while others drink or spin fantasies.

Clearly I am hoping that maybe you witnessed something that actually changed your view, your thinking. But what I want is your truth. 

I have some pretty nasty-assed views on yesterdays activities but I want to try to emulate Jack a bit here so I'll keep those close.  Thanks for giving this your usual thought process.

 

 


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