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12/15/18 01:03 PM #4469    

 

Donna Kelley (Velazquez)

What a great holiday party!! Wish I could have joined in the fun.  Hopefully I will be heading that way next September so  please put me down for the Detroit caper, Jack.  Could I maybe hitch a ride with you and Francene, Clare?wink


12/16/18 01:22 AM #4470    

 

John Maxwell

Sounds like some folks are interested in visiting HFGV toward the end of the summer, 2019. Late summer is nice. Not too hot, not too cold. Hopefully the Tigers won't be in a pennent race. As Mark has indicated, I was once an employee of the Henry Ford. I was primarily a farmer on the Firestone Farm. And I worked the Grist Mill, and in the museum I ran the Innovation Station and worked in Lamy's Diner. To work as a presenter you had to be able to tell a story about every main attraction in under one minute. The really cool thing about working there is complete access to the library. It's amazing. I found and used a lot of imagery for videos I produced. Their image library is phenomenal. The farm was my favorite place to be. I had to immerse myself into the techniques and technology of agriculture in 1870 -83. I had no experience, but I learned. Energy was horsepower, so I learned how to keep the energy going. Neigh dare I say plod along.
Looks like a field trip is in store to collect data. More later.
Mark, There isn't much to say about my experiences in the woods with a group of nuerotic strangers other than that. But I tend to think of it as a leadership experience. It is at the pace I control, I get what I give. If I learn, I know what that is and the environment is safe and trustworthy and non-judgemental. Check your addictions at the door and open your heart.
Thet is a mixture of native American tradition, spiritualism and lore. It's facillitated by Herb Stevenson, a Gestalt psychologist and founder of the Cleveland Consulting Group. He's a corporate consultant in leadership and such stuff. The group is a diverse group of business and professionals, atheletes, musicians, construction, real estate, medicine, retirees, etc. The guys break up into groups and do assignments, then report in. Three days three assignments, three check-ins. Then there is preparing and striking the campsite, and meals. The rest of the time is sleeping or you can go alone in the woods for a day or more. Objectives, vary but the undelying theme is naturally passing from one phase of ones life to the next phase. The ages rage 28-71. It's about being present for yourself and the others, to not be judgemental or empathetic but rather just present. All the while with an eye on the person you are or are becoming or were and want to be. All that and a bag of almonds. What I find interesting about the experience is there are certain experiences that are inexplicable and intriguing, and intense. It'll take your breath sometimes and put you at complete ease. Anything done for you is done by you. There's 88 acres, horses, wolves, a zebra. The food is not all vegan but some dishes lean there. It's all healthy, and filling and Jackie, Herb's wife prepares a few traditional kosher meals. I usually loose a few pounds, with the sweat lodge. In my career I've produced a few corporate meetings, leadership, sales, dealer, engineering, board meetings, training etc. I view this as just a different approach to bringing people together to improve the quality of their lives. Stepping out of one's comfort zone can be as easy as just getting off the couch. My mother used to say "That's my idea of nothing," whenever confronted by a difficult situation like a bull fight or demolition derby, or a car race. She would apply it to anything that might challenge her. I guess I was enough of a challenge for her. I can appreciate that, but nothing ventured... one thing though, one really cannot be afraid of feeling. It's pretty much where the learning is. Okay I'm a little crazy. Or just curious. And with few opportunties to explore, I guess I'll opt for the Jack excursion. Hope this is helpful.

12/16/18 03:12 AM #4471    

 

David Mitchell

Jack!!

Man, you've been holdng out on us! Your experience at the Museum sounds really cool. Why didn't we hear about this sooner - much sooner.

And your weekend in the woods sounds pretty cool too. I wish I could go along sometime but I live in an (increasingly) older man's body who's spirit is willing but who's flesh is not so sure. 

At least when I go off on my Marked Men for Christ weekends we sleep indoors in beds (with sleeping bags) and have a chow hall with prepared food. And we DO have cow bells - lots of cow bells!  Still, your weekends sounds like something I would love to do. 

-------------

Francine,

There is no timer on when you should post your ideas. Just say it girl! 


12/16/18 12:44 PM #4472    

 

Michael McLeod

Wow. thanks, as they say, for sharing, Jack. That sounds....useful, and clearly worth sharing, the experiences you've had, indoor and out. Makes me think maybe I've gotten a little too bookish down here.


12/16/18 04:13 PM #4473    

 

Beth Broadhurst (Murray)

Count me in for the WHS field trip to Ford Museum and Greenfield Village. It was one of our favorite stops some 30 years ago with my 4 sons on our way to Mackinac Island and Oshkosh Air Show in Wisconsin.                 

Donna     Since I didn't make it to Barcelona, I'll be be happy to drive from  Pittsburgh to get you in Columbus and anyone else who wants to travel with us! Clare? Francine?


12/16/18 04:58 PM #4474    

Mary Clare Hummer (Bauer)

I’m picking up Francene, Janie and a possible surprise attendee. I can lose the 4 carseats in my van and have room for more. You & Donna will make six but we may need a caravan!!!  Donna, you better give us dates when you’ll be here so others can start planning. Jack, you better start clearing the back forty!!

Clare


12/16/18 06:40 PM #4475    

 

Mark Schweickart

Jack -- Thanks for explanation, although I can tell from your description that, by being what this experience is, it pretty much will remain a bit vague when put into words. For example when you say things like one learns "not to be judgemental or empathetic, just present", I am afraid I can sort of follow that, but not really. What "just present" means, I am afraid stays a bit vague for an outsider, but I sort of see...maybe? And when you say one focuses on who one is and what one is becoming, again I get this feeling of, "Oh, I see... but do I?" Not sure exactly what that would mean if I were there. Which I guess is petty much the point; you probabaly have to be there and go through the experience to not feel confused. Anyway, thanks for taking a stab at putting into words, something that can't easily be described. It iteresting to know things like this are out there. Obviously it has proven to be useful to you, or you wouldn't have put yourself through such a rigorous experience. Although, like Dave said, I kind of doubt it is up my alley – sounds far too rigorous for my creaky old self. 


12/16/18 09:37 PM #4476    

 

David Mitchell

Mark,

One must be careful to distinguish the exact words Jack used here. He said being "in the present"  -  not, "all present and accounted for", (Sir!).

 

Oh well, ya had to be there.  

 

---------------

Mike,    "book- ish" ???  

Sister Constantious is rolling over right about now

 


12/17/18 09:15 AM #4477    

 

Donna Kelley (Velazquez)

 

It looks like a plan is shaping up nicely.  I promise to come back with dates for my September visit once the holidays are over. Meanwhile I love the international carpooling.  Beth, that sounds great.  Thanks for your offer too, Clare.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

 

 


12/17/18 06:01 PM #4478    

Timothy Lavelle

Mark,

Your remarks and Dave's reply...I wonder if Jack isn't going for a "be here now" sort of presence a la Baba Ram Das (T. Leary's friend Richard Alpert? ). Jack, clear up this mystery a bit. 

The thought of another big get together next year certainly sounds like fun. I wonder if the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame could be on that itinerary? 


12/17/18 10:38 PM #4479    

 

Michael McLeod

Believe it or not I actually interviewed Baba Ram Dass.

It was just a telephone interview and I forget why, what the story was.

All I remember is that he'd had a stroke. But he sounded fine. And I told him that I had been to one of his talks many years prior, in my hippie days, and that I could not remember what he said but I could remember how it made me feel.

And that pleased him. He said that was the important part, not the words that were spoken, but the exchange of spirit that the feeling represented.

 


12/18/18 12:06 AM #4480    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike,

Hmmm, in your "hippie days" you could "not remember what he said", but did remember how it made you feel. Was Leary also there passing out samples? 🤔🙄

12/18/18 01:02 AM #4481    

Timothy Lavelle

Mike,

Wasn't it amazing how, when we were young and hippies, we never needed doctors? 

Bazinga, Jim.


12/18/18 01:25 AM #4482    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Hey, Tim,

Some of those hippies were my med school classmates who are now doctors!

12/18/18 01:27 AM #4483    

 

David Mitchell

Ouch Tim!

Damn, I think I hurt my elbow typing that.

 

 

I never had a hippie period - but have become a raving dipsomaniac to make up for it.

(At least, that's what my kids think.)


12/18/18 10:51 AM #4484    

 

Michael McLeod

Jim:

Yes, I must admit, I forgot a lot of things that happened to me when I was young because of experiments with various substances.

Now that I am old I forget a lot of things the natural way.

 


12/18/18 11:13 AM #4485    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

I thought that some of you may want to send condolences to Mary Anne McMahon Herbst on the loss of her mother.  Her home address is 36 Acton Rd. Columbus, Ohio 43214. 

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dispatch/obituary.aspx?n=lorraine-mcmahon&pid=191003618&fhid=8709


12/18/18 01:34 PM #4486    

 

John Maxwell

Tim,
In an effort to better explain presence, I submit that Tommy Chong said it best, "Dave's not here." What I think I mean is it's more emotional than intellectual presence. It's what you feel rather than what you think. How one responds to others and one's self emotionally is primary. In other words, how does someones happiness make you feel? Conversely, how does someone's saddness make you feel? After you've asked yourself a thousand questions, it's time for a sweat lodge or a walk in the woods, a night alone, even a community discussion about dysfunction or addiction. In so doing there is a discovery, a learning if you will that you can gnaw on like an old bone. One can find the elusive answer to the question..."why?"

More information pertaining to Natural Passages can be found on their website. There you can find information on Herb Stevenson the founder and author of the bulk of material. I can't do it justice as I have limited experience. I will be going to go for more of the same starting in March. If there is anyone interested in attending a weekend, let me know. I won't mislead you and say its fun and you'll be changed, cause that ain't gonna happen, but I'll answer your questions. Send me an email or call me.

12/18/18 04:28 PM #4487    

 

Janie Albright (Blank)

MM, thanks so much for sending the link to Mary Ann’s mother’s obituary. It was heartwarming and makes me feel I missed out on knowing a lovely and lively lady.  I will for sure get a card right out to Mary Ann. 


12/20/18 02:27 PM #4488    

 

Mark Schweickart

I just watched the presentation on NetFlix of Springsteen's always sold-out Broadway show, and clearly understand why it was so successful. I've always been a big fan, seen him a few times in concert, but hey, this is something totally different. Those concerts were just music, great music to be sure, but this Broadway show is music and poetry and prose on scale rarely experienced – the unofficial American poet laureate who speaks for all of us, and to all of us,  as he takes us through his autobiography in a language that is at once both immediately accessible and profoundly, head-shakingly, beautifully poignant. Who wouldn't see a bit of themselves, as this New Jersey Catholic boy, this American Everyman, describes his blue-collar, hard-working, hard-drinking Irish father who was, as he says, "his greatest hero, and his greatest foe;"? Or his always sunny, Italian mother who counter-balanced the oft-depressed father with her hard-work, her love of dance, and whose high heels clicking on the linoleum floor fascinated the little boy accompanying her as they walked through the dark after-hours law offices where she was a secretary. Or the description of meeting Ron Kovic, author of Born on the 4th of July and how this inspired his own Born in the USA, delivered here in a version just using an acoustic twelve-string guitar, which he uses to deliver an absolutely inspired, virtuosic lead-in to his heart-rendring, searing growl of a howl that embodies what that horrible war meant to so many of us, especially to those of us, like Springsteen himself, who chose not to be part of that war, but who also can't look away from what might have been. Or the way he describes reaching the age where one is on the cusp, now a young man about to become a father himself, while still being an angry son dealing with a finally repentant father, a father who comes bearing wisdom – do we become ghosts to our children, haunting their every step, or do we become instead, ancestors, offering guidance to those steps? Or as the song he performs at this point  says – his most fervent wish for his children will be: "may your sins be your own." Or the timelessness of The Ghost of Tom Joad echoing in every homeless person one sees, or the haunting tribute to 9-11, which is never mentioned, but is inescapably the subject of The Rising. I don't know if it is fair to say this, since his songs have always stunned me with their poetic power, but in this show, it is the writing and performing of the monologues between the songs that is even more powerful, if that is possible. Then put the two together and you have something quite extraordinary, and not to sound too hokey, but it is almost religiously transcendent at times.

I suppose I could go on and on paraphrasing what I just saw, but that's only going to do an injustice to the real thing. A one man show like none I have ever seen before, accompanied only by himself on guitar or piano. If you were a Springsteen fan, you will love this. If you were not, you will be. Please check it out. You will not be disappointed.

P.S. I have one small performance criticism, that may help you non-Springsteen fans understand one of his songs done here. It is a song about the masks we wear in life especially in the way we often hide much from our closest partners in life, and it all builds to the key line: "Is that you baby, or just a brilliant disguise?" My complaint is that unless you know this song, I doubt you could ever guess, from the way he sings it here, that the last two, and most important words, are "brilliant disguise."  Otherwise, a flawless performance on all of the other songs, even though most are done in a way quite different from the original recordings, since there is no band backing him.


12/21/18 04:41 PM #4489    

 

Michael McLeod

Fan and a follower from way back here, Mark -- from when a friend of mine who was a music critic at a newspaper in Detroit told me many years ago: "there is a guy they say is the future of rock and roll. You should check him out."

I'll keep this short. Well, short as I can. I have probably mentioned this before here but we saw him in Mobile in the late 80s and waited just outside the tour bus for him after the show. There was a line of giggly girls -- maybe a dozen. We joined it. He stood by the door of the bus and people filed by to have just a moment.  Dodi took advantage of hers by kissing him full on the lips. I was next in line. He said "Hope you don't want a kiss" and I said no, just want to shake your hand. Which I did. A silly thing to be so happy about thinking back on it now but I gotta say I am, and I value that moment, and I have learned that with big people small moments mean a lot. He has inspired me to work hard at what I do in a way that no college professor ever could. It's like that line in one of his songs, No Surrender: "We learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school." Some of us, not all of us, came up that way, I think. 

Now: Apart from the half-dozen concerts we attended over the years - and the time I saw him for free on the osu campus , outside, on the oval, when I was teaching at osu and he was doing a tour on behalf of some politician or cause I can't recall -- the single most telling thing I learned about him was something Clarence Clemons wrote in his autobiography. He said he would often be with Bruce in a park or on the beach or in a crowd and Bruce would point out a couple, or a group, and make up a story about them. What their dreams were, what they loved, what they lost.  And that right there was his art: He made up stories. Sounds simple to say it but if you know his music you see it in action, you see how he was simply a storyteller and, of course, apart from that, a great musician, a fiery, driven performer, and a man with his own story to tell. 

Wish I could have afforded the NYC show but watching it is a great consolation prize.


12/22/18 01:31 PM #4490    

Timothy Lavelle

 

 

Hey. I found some odd cards in a shop in San Fran 20+ years ago. This has been my favorite for the longest time. This one's for you....all! Hope it is all peaceful and bright and you get a nice toy.


12/22/18 04:48 PM #4491    

 

Michael McLeod

Ok everybody be a good Catholic and avoid the occasion of sin. That means don't drive anywhere near a mall this close to Christmas and get caught up in the mean-streets cussout-fest. And thanks for the picture of you and the rest of your choir, Tim. And man alive I love this time of year and I hope all of you have more than your share of its joys. Count those blessings! Hope you have so many you'd need Sister Norbertine to help you keep track!

 


12/22/18 09:13 PM #4492    

 

David Mitchell

I shared this from one of my buddies on Facebook earier and thought I'd put it on here.
A few of you (Larry, Bob Berkemer, and Bonnie) have already seen and shared it yourselves. It reminds me of a funny story on my first night in Vinh Long. I'll tell it after this post so as not to ruin the content here.
 
(a few clues as to the initials for the non-military; BG is Brigadier General - LTC is Lieutenant Colonel - 1SG is First Sargent - MSG is Master Sargent - MAJ is Major - 2LT is a Second Lieutenant. I think you get the drift) 
 

FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY - 

The Department of the Army issued orders today to BG S. Clause, recalling him to active duty, with a report date of 24 Dec 18.

A reservist, with 1,742 years of service, this airborne Soldier specializes in vertical delivery of high-value items. He is airborne and air assault qualified. He is also a 46R, Public Affairs Broadcast Specialist. 

Also recalled, were LTC Dasher, 1SG Dancer, MSG Prancer, MAJ Vixen, MAJ Comet, Chaplain (LTC) Cupid, SGT Donner, and PO2 Blitzen, an Individual Augmentee from the Naval Reserve, assigned to the Army. 2LT Rudolph is also authorized to report for duty; however, he must first successfully complete Land Nav training, which he has failed four times. 

Although the above troops are on orders for only 24 hours, it is anticipated that they will submit a travel claim for 24,901 miles at .56/mile, using a POV. Suitable Government transportation is not available. 

As a special operations unit, each member is granted a high level of uniform flexibility, as well as relaxed grooming standards. Per diem has been modified to included large quantities of hot cocoa and cookies. 

Merry Christmas! 

P.S. - Let's ALL remember the men and women of our Armed Forces, as they serve in far away lands during this Christmas Season.

 
 

12/23/18 01:20 AM #4493    

 

David Mitchell

A story I recalled with one of my buddies from back in the day.

 

Bill,

I recall my first night in Vinh Long. I had arrived on the afternoon of Dec 24th 1968. (a few months after you) A funny memory of that first night with the guys in my hooch (who I didn't even know yet) with a "PRC-25" radio (pronounced "Prick-25"). Shortly before midnight they were listening to a radio conversation between some clever pilots and an apparent new guy at the radio desk of "Delta Center" (the air traffic control radio center for all military fights in the Delta region).

They were describing an unidentified flying object "some sort of aircraft approaching from the North", and had the guy at Delta Center's full attention. In a nervous voice, he kept asking them for more details. They gradually gave him a description of an "open cockpit" - " a large pilot in a red flight suit" - and looked to be propelled by a long line of "some sort of deer"(I think they might have said "ponies with antennas on their heads") and "approaching at very high speed". Finally the guy at Delta Center realized the joke and the fact that he'd been completely reeled in. Lots of laughter and a few cat calls back and forth over the air followed.

It was really clever and funny.  I was even fooled for a moment. 


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