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01/16/18 11:42 AM #2511    

 

Lorraine Heitchue

Thanks to all of you for my 70th Birthday wishes. It was a wonderful day.

Happy Birthday Mimi

01/16/18 11:46 AM #2512    

 

Mark Schweickart

Tim,

Since you are skedaddling about town looking for a post office and manly (and not so manually) operating firewood-chopping machinery, does this mean your lawnmower-riding leg has healed? That is great news.

And though you may have known all the words to the theme song to HGWT back in high school, do you still?

Have gun will travel, reads the card of a man
A knight without armor in a savage land
His fast gun hire, heeds the calling wind
A soldier of fortune, is a man called --- Pal-a- din
Paladin, Paladin, where do you roam
Paladin, Paladin, far, far from home

(Okay, oay, I had to Google this. I couldn't remember the third line. And  I certainly didn't remember that there was a second verse,

He travels on to where ever he must
A chess knight of silver is his badge of trust
There are campfire legends that the plainsmen sing
Of the man with the gun, of the man called --- Pal-a- din.)


01/16/18 12:18 PM #2513    

 

Beth Broadhurst (Murray)

Mr. Timothy  Didn’t you tell me to put down my lawn mower, hedge trimmers and snow shovel and relinquish getting frequent flyer miles at the ER?? On my recent visit there was an 80 year old woman ahead of me who seriously injured herself with her log splitter. Do cease and desist with that tool. We have to stop competing with the likes of John Maxwell in case we have exhausted our guardian angels.

Even though I  do realize my independent streak at times is a form of idiocy, I’m just not ready to part with many of my tools,however,  I  did have my sons remove the temptation and take away my ladder.

 

 


01/16/18 01:35 PM #2514    

Timothy Lavelle

Hey, I thought I was the clown here! You guys are much funnier than I remember! Mike M was always funny but who could have guessed Beth Broadhurst would be doing stand-up at "Welcome to the Forum" - land?? I love it.

To digress, the hippie-pinko was my first older bro Steve. Both he and Tom Litzinger helped my return to civilian life once with the following phrase, "Here, smoke this."

Paladin certainly appealed to the "Bad Boy w/Class" or the lone wolf good-bad boy we were raised with from the Lone Ranger thru Hoppy and so on. No doubt a deep study into what we watched as kids could provide some input into why we grew up with the values we did. Mark, have you advised family members of that cowboy costume with the chess piece on the hoster that hangs in the back of your closet? I think an album of cowboy theme songs is in the making here. Maverick, Paladin, Sugarfoot, Magnificent Seven. Can't wait.

It is likely, going forward, I will walk - never run - with a limp. I am considering a change of name. A handlebar mustache and a slight southern drawl. "Colonel Beauregard LaVelle, at your service m'am." Jocko and I will be teaming up to form 'Circ de Slay' where I will parade around the center ring in a civil war uniform making poor jokes while Jack does back flips off buildings into the waiting arms of classmates dressed as trees.

You make me laugh, each of you. Let's keep laughing. Did you know that Jim Hamilton trick-or-treats in a Doc Holiday costume? Yeah, there's crazy stuff going on....  

 

 


01/16/18 01:58 PM #2515    

 

David Mitchell

Beth,

Welcome back girl!

Now if you can just convince your old buddy Clare to do the same with her ladder. With a husband and an adult son, she STILL get's up on her ladder and strings Christmas lights up at 2nd story heights.  

Maybe we all need to take a class group pledge, or write on the blackboard 100 times "I will not make a jackass out of myself with weapons of self destruction".    

 


01/16/18 02:16 PM #2516    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Tim,

I don't know that the Southern Colonel with a limp fits your profile. Your limping character would be more like a Chester ("Mr. Dillon, I can watch over Dodge while you take that prisoner to Hayes.") or his later sidekick, Festus, who never trusted Doc Adams ("Ya old scutter, quit yur jawin' 'n jus get this bullet outa mah leg!").

01/17/18 11:35 AM #2517    

 

Michael McLeod

I am suprised more has not been written about tv cowboys as influential role models on males of our generation. I absolutely was so strongly influenced by them. I can remember quite consciously choosing Maverick, the gambler played by James Garner, whom I would meet in later years when I was writing for the LA Times. 

Anyway as a boy I chose him to emulate because he lived not by violence but by his wits.

The Lone Ranger, though - he had a place of his own, he was clearly the best of all cowboy heroes. Silver bullets in his gun, a white horse to ride, a faithful indian sidekick by his side, a sureness in everything he did, a voice that was never raised in anger but was always so clearly in control of the situation and expressive of a moral compass that never lost its way -- in my imagination, though the rest of the world may have been unaware of it,  I was his twin. I had all those things within me, just as surely as he. 


01/17/18 01:06 PM #2518    

 

Mark Schweickart

Easy-lopin', cattle-ropin', Sugarfoot. Carefree as a tumble weed....

Sorry, that just popped into my head.

 

 


01/17/18 04:52 PM #2519    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

My favorite cowboy show in the 50's was not mentioned by the guys......maybe because there was a woman who also had the lead?  LOL  https://youtu.be/SRgvtvHnh2I


01/17/18 10:53 PM #2520    

 

David Mitchell

Oh yeah!  Loved Roy Rogers - and Dale - and crazy Pat. I think I loved Roy for his hat and shirt and his horse more than anything. But I loved Hoppalong Cassidy too. I even sent in some box tops and $5.00 for a membership in his club and got my own "secret sadle ring" as a member. Never was a big Gene Autry fan. Also loved the Lone Ranger, but two of my favorites were Cheyenne, and an off-beat character - Lash LaRue - always dressed in black, and quicker with his bullwhip than any man with a gun.

"Cheyenne, Cheyenne, where will you be campin' tonight? Lonely man, Cheyenne " --- forgot the rest,,,,

And the Cisco Kid - loved those guys. Does anyone recall a one time series on Disney about Elfago Baca? 

But I think I loved the Indians the best - Cochise, Geronimo,  and all the other legendary warriors. Much cooler than the white guys with saddles. I once had a full war bonnet that I considered my most importatn possession.

I am actually concerned that my grandkids have no concept of the "lore the West" or Cowboys and Indians - at all!  All they see is really hideous looking and violent "Ninja space warriors" or fighting unicorns. Who the heck are they?  And how can my kids claim the old "Westerns" are too violent compard to this junk?   

And who can forget "Yoooo Rinny!"


01/18/18 07:36 AM #2521    

 

Fred Clem

The Roy Rogers Show was a family favorite in our home.  It was a little different from other westerns of that era as it was set in the 20th century.  While Roy rode Trigger and Dale rode Buttermilk, Pat Brady drove Nellybelle (a 1946 Willis Jeep).  

I remember my Aunt Helen took her two children, my brother and I to the Lazarus 6th floor assembly room for a "meet & greet" with Dale Evans (must have been around 1956).  That evening we went to the Ohio State Fair where Dale, Roy, Trigger, Buttermilk, Bullet, Pat and Nellybelle were the featured grandstand entertainment. 


01/18/18 12:01 PM #2522    

 

Michael McLeod

Trigger was a girl?


01/18/18 03:20 PM #2523    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

I assume that the vast majority of us, along with our families, were fans of several '50's and '60's TV westerns since they ruled the evening airwaves during those years. Mostly they were morality shows with the good guys always winning and the heroes never looking disheveled, even after a long, hard ride across the dusty plains. Although many were filmed on a set they were interspersed with stock footage of some spectacular scenery from out west. And I feel it was that landscape that attracted me most to those shows and, perhaps, influenced my decision to move to Colorado.

The cowboy shows of recent decades have concentrated on movies (Tom Selleck and Sam Elliott are great in these as is Willie Nelson) and mini-series (Lonesome Dove for instance) as opposed to weekly TV serials. But these have been few and far between and that is a shame, in my opinion. However, they are probably more realistic both in their costumes (dusty boots and hats, sweaty shirts and neckerchiefs, etc.) and their stories. What has even gotten better is the scenery since many parts are filmed on location.

When my wife and I moved out here in 1976 the cowboy culture was very much alive and well with many western wear stores and tourist attractions that centered on life in the "old west". One of my favorites was the Flying W Ranch, very close to our house, which was approached by way of a dirt road and where, after crossing several cattle guards, you could attend an authentic outdoor chuck wagon dinner, cooked by ranch hands and served on tin plates along with really hot coffee in tin cups (carry them back to your picnic table with a handkerchief!). The cowboys who served you would then complete the evening with a stage show of western songs under the stars and surrounded by red rock monoliths. A lot of the ranch was sold in the 1980's and the Mountain Shadows subdivision with hundreds of homes was developed in it's place. About 200 acres remained for the dinners and shows but were destroyed when the Waldo Canyon Wildfire crested the foothills in 2012 and burned the old buildings, stage and shops to the ground. The Wolfe family (The "W" in Flying W) has been working hard to restore this treasure and hopes to reopen this year.

Many of the western wear shops have closed and been replaced by the usual urban renewal type stores that are popular with millennials. Seldom do I see people on the street attired in true western duds. There are still a few cowboy themed events in the city - Pikes Peak Rodeo, July Street Breakfast - but today's younger residents are more interested in jogging in spandex to Starbucks for a latte while texting on their cellphones than eating beef and beans under the stars and listening to old cowboy songs.

The beautiful landscape and scenic vistas remain and that, in itself, is what is most intriguing about the West. The cowboys of yesteryear and the Indians appreciated that more than anything else. And so do I.

Now, if I just can avoid chancing upon those illegal cannabis farms in the national forests....

Oh, and by the way, the one piece of western wear I still own and use is my leather vest:

 

Jim

 


01/18/18 09:12 PM #2524    

Timothy Lavelle

Jim, Loved this last post. I think that we all have a hard time believing that we really did grow up in a magical time. At the theater we got a conglomeration of cowboys - mostly - and gangsters; we got WWII and some Korea heroics and we got spacemen. We got all the Atomic Age monsters like Creature from the BLack Lagoon or the Amazing 50 foot Tall Woman or my scary favorite from that time, The Blob which had young Steve McQueen. We got regular scary like all the Vincent Price, Bela Lugosi and Lon Chaney stories and we got the flip side when Abbott and Costello Met the Mummy.

I don't think it is bragging to say we grew up in the last magical age. Some generation had to be that lucky and it was us!  We had true sports heroes. We had ice cream men on thre wheeled carts with jingling bells.Yeah, there were certainly problems like our old societal phobias and bigotry but there was a lot to look up to like Kennedy or the early Astronauts also. While later generations had computers, arcade games, Xboxs, I-phones and all that stuff, we never needed any of that at all. Later we had Low Beer and maybe Mom's car on a Friday night!  

Lastly, I had the opportunity to drive across the US a lot in college. Towns like Tucumcari, NM were like getting off a spaceship on Mars for me. Mexicans, Indians, Cowboys, wizened old men sitting on benches actually whittling! In recent years I have looked for those places while doing that run on two wheels. I have not found it. It may be out there somewhere but I am afraid if it is, it's a cosmetic, fantasy version of those older authentic times.

...but once upon a time, many years ago....we were there. Lucky, lucky us.

If they re-open that ranch, let me know and we'll come over and enjoy a chuck wagon dinner with you and yours.

Hey, who said it and what movie...."You cut me. You cut me deep Whitey."

 

 


01/19/18 07:57 AM #2525    

 

Fred Clem

Jim,

Back in September 1985 I attended the Colorado/Ohio State game and happened to see you (photo below).

The group I travelled with, the Buckeye Sideliners Club, did some side tours including the dinner and show at the Flying W Ranch.  We were staying at the Brown Palace Hotel in Denver and travelled in two buses to "The Springs".  First we toured the Air Force Academy and the Garden of the Gods before the Ranch.  

On the way back to Denver we rode through a snow storm on I-25, even though it was still officially summer.  The return trip took quite a bit longer because of the weather. 

Oh, did I mention that the meal was barbecue beef and baked beans!  It was an odiferous eighty mile journey.


01/19/18 08:49 AM #2526    

Lawrence Foster

Ah Cowboys!  I definitely suffered from hero worship of them.  I think I still do.  On Saturday afternoons the Post Theater would show a cartoon, a serial, and a cowboy movie and the place was packed with kids.  When the lights went down and it all started up there was lots of loud yelling.

Here are a couple of photos showing the cowboy influence in my family.  The first is a gingerbread cookie cutter that is a cowboy.  My mother or her sister got this in the 40s or early 50s as I remember it.   For my writing group I came up with a story idea about a little boy and a his grandmother showing him a cowboy cookie cutter that comes alive on Christmas Eve.  The story is a work in progress.  I have decided I need to watch Toy Story to see if I have accidently copied anything from there.

 

      

This other photo was taken 3 years ago when I retired.  I had purchased my own American flag and was given permission to fly it at work on my last day and take it with me.   As you can see I had my cowboy hat on.  I started weraing one about 25 years ago when my dermatologist said that I needed to becasue of skin cancer issues.  He suggested I wear a sombrero!  He said I need a broad brim to shade me.  But the "urban sombrero" was a running joke on Seinfeld then so I went to the cowboy hat, much to my wife's chagrin.  I have found that the cowboy hat also works well as a hands free umbrella.   It took a lot of years but I finally got to be a cowboy as an adult.  And yes, I still wear it, and yes, still to my wife's chagrin as she just rolls her eyes at me and chuckles.

 


01/19/18 09:03 AM #2527    

Lawrence Foster

More cowboy/western thoughts:

Roy Rogers was a favorite and I remember that in the movies his sidekick a lot of times was Gabby Hayes.  Hayes also was with Gene Autry and some others too.   He was quite a fun character to watch.

 Dave Mitchell -  you mentioned Elfago Baca.  There are some of the Disney shows of it on youtube and at this Disney Wiki link:  http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/The_Nine_Lives_of_Elfego_Baca   One of the still photos shows a woman who I believe might be Annette Funicello.

One of the more current westerns that I enjoy watching and re-watching is Silverado which came out in the early to mid 90s.


01/19/18 10:59 AM #2528    

 

David Mitchell

Larry,

You just triggered another memory. Does anybody remember the Wild Bill Hickok series? And his sidekick Andy Devine (with the high pitched voice) - "Hey Wild Bill, wait for me!"


01/19/18 11:44 AM #2529    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Tim,

I'll keep you posted on the Flying W's progress!

Fred,

I think you posted that shot of a younger me a while ago but it is always good to be reminded that my hair was once not gray.
The stage show at the Flying W's Chuck wagon dinners also included some cowboy humor and those beans were a frequent topic.
Do you remember the fast gun draw expert they had who used to coach the TV cowboys on that skill?

Larry,

You look like a Texas Ranger in that photo!

Dave,

Wild Bill - another blast from the past memory!

Jim

01/19/18 12:02 PM #2530    

 

Deborah Alexander (Rogers)

Cowboys....that does bring back memories of those shows we grew up on.  Roy Rogers seemed so cool...I think I wanted to be Dale Evans!  Remember their song that they sang at the end of the show?

"Happy trails to you, until we meet again. Happy trails to you, keep smiling until then.  Happy trails to you, till we meet again"!  Sending out this simple sentiment to all of you!

Debbie

 


01/19/18 12:25 PM #2531    

 

John Maxwell

All this cowboy talk reminded me that as a child, I preferred to identify with the native Americans, (Indians). I mean who wouldn't want to be half naked all the time, ride bareback, shoot bows and arrows, wear cool feathers and live in a teepee.
Speaking of which. I start my hero's journey in March at the equinox. It's the beginning of a nature based program that supports men through the unmarked doorways of life. The program is called Natural Passages. It's a one year long male initiation program. It meets at the beginning of each season, at a horse farm in Novelty, Ohio. It's run by a leadership consulting firm, The Cleveland Comnsulting Group. Herb Stevenson is the founder and CEO. I expect it will be an exciting experience. I actually never expected I'd do something like this, but I feel a lot of wasted energy in me that can be tapped. We shall see.

01/19/18 01:50 PM #2532    

 

Michael McLeod

It is interesting, as noted above, that there was a dearth of female role models in the imaginary wild wild west as it was presented to us in those days. Many of the shows were loosely based on real-life characters such as Wyatt Earp, Daniel Boone etc. You'd think they could have pulled together an Annie Oakley show. She came along a bit later than the cowboys we followed but still - she was a dead-eye shot, outshot males much more experienced and wound up marrying one of them, became lifelong friends with sitting bull, who was absolutely charmed by her, and had no problem standing up for herself in a man's world, William Radolph Hearst when his papers ran an innacurate story about her. She's buried in Cincinnati. There is a theater down here at the school where I teach which is named after another cowboy/pioneer friend of hers, Fred Stone, who was born in a log cabin and became a famous movie star of his day. He wrote her autobiography. 


01/19/18 01:52 PM #2533    

 

Michael McLeod

She successfully sued William Randolph Hearst for libel....somehow screwed that up, above.


01/19/18 04:55 PM #2534    

 

Fred Clem

On "Walt Disney Presents" there were 4 different shows, with multiple episodes, that would be considered westerns.  All four were based on real life characters:  Davy Crocket, Elfego Baca, "Texas" John Slaughter and Francis Marion (The Swamp Fox).  The stars  Fess Parker, Robert Loggia, Tom Tryon and Leslie Nielsen were unknowns but all had successful careers after Disney.  


01/19/18 06:16 PM #2535    

Timothy Lavelle

Mark...can't get the Paladin song outa my mind! Hey, was the theme song to Bonanza a  lot like Magnificent Seven or am I way off the mark, Mark?

Happy Trails to you too, Debbie. I don't know why but I always felt sad when they sang that song.

Mike, I remember one femme fatale who played a pretty good part. Miss Kitty was always on hand in Gunsmoke. I think she ran a shop or something. I know she had a profession. Seems like it was a really old profession...

Wow, Dave. Wild Bill. Aces & 8s and never play poker with your back to the door. Jeez, the stuff we remember!

Jocko...I have to google this cult thing you are going to do so I'll know where to send your friends when it is intervention time.

My Dad used to cut our hair and sometimes he might have a shot or two first. He cut my hair once to look like a coon-skin cap and sent me downstairs to tell my Mom "Look, I'm Davy Crockett". She was not amused. Que the ruckus!


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