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11/16/19 03:17 PM #6499    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Sr. Gilmary, I shall add my greetings and welcome to this Forum of the Class of '66!

As you have probably guessed, we discuss many different topics. Your homework assignment is to read the 6500+ posts that have been entered herein over the past few years and then decide if you can tolerate all of our musings and bickering and then restore order to our class 😱😁!

Jim ​​​​​​

 

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11/16/19 03:18 PM #6500    

 

David Mitchell

Golly, looks like everybody who is anybody was home today - and without the grandkids. Who knew?

 

Sister Gilmary,

Welcome.

But I have such a bad memory that I cannot remember you. (I keep trying to tell  everybody I am old.) And I did not take French. But if you are game enough to jump into this Forum you deserve a badge of courage. Or the official "patience of job" award. 

Okay class, everybody clean up your language (and look busy)

 

 


11/16/19 03:57 PM #6501    

 

Michael McLeod

Any Jack Kerouac fans out there?

I have a list of suspects in my head. 

Post something, anything, if you are among them.

I am curious - professionally curious - because I am writing a column about the inventor of the beat generation - the guy who, I believe, coined that elusive and overused adjective as applied to a rebellious post-war generation. 

Actually I am writing a story about a place where Kerouac lived for a while.

There is a home not far from where I am writing this now - a ten minute drive --  where he wrote "The Dharma Bums," which followed onthe heels of "On The Road," a story about bumming around the country with crazy friends which made him famous. It's an old Florida bungalow that has been turned into a writing retreat: writers can apply to stay there for free and write. They come from all over the world and spend three months on whatever project they have going at the moment. 

Weirdly enough, as long as I have lived in Orlando, I have never gotten around to writing about this place, which has been in operation for 20 years. They have asked me to write about it because they need money to fix the place up -- just basic, foundation work, nothing cosmetic, because its ramshackle appearance bespeaks the "beat generation" mentality and lifestyle and writing style that Keroac esposed. It's appropriate, for example, that the seat of a chair that he may have used while he was dreaming up stories has a hole in it. And you can easily visualize him holed up writing in the ranshackle back section of the house where he stayed - it's a low-ceilinged, rectangular add-on with a very low door, like almost Hobbit size, that opens up into a back yard that once had orange trees in it; he would sleep in that backyard some nights, or so the story goes.

There's a splendid Live Oak that hovers over the house - it's a primal touch. If you've ever been around live oaks you'll know what I mean. They are gnarled, ancient, druid-like -- I can imagine him drawing strength from it, coming up with some mystical metaphor, like the time when he was climbing a mountain with friends, one of whom expressed a fear of falling, and Keroac said: "You can't fall off a mountain." When somebody at the house ran that quote past me, I didn't get it at first. Then it came to me that he was saying don't be afraid. Many of the fears you have and the risks you think you see are of your own invention. 

Even without the live oak, though, the place is sacred. Sacred, at least, to the writer who stay here and say that they feel a palabable presence, knowing who occupied this space.

Writing this will be a bit difficult for me because he's never been a particular hero of mine, though I know what a cultish, powerful figure he was. A tragic one, alas: he was an alcoholic; he died in his early 40s. You can find interviews with him on facebook with Steve Allen - remember him? -- who played a piano as he interviewed him, and also - this one is much sadder -- with professional pompous ass William F. Buckley. Keroac's head is lolling and he is clearly on something as Buckley asks him if he thinks he influence the frightening and puzzling and bizarre youth subculture that had just emerged at the time - it's hilarious to see how seriously Buckley is as he asks him about - wait for it - HIPPIES! Oh my God what is this country coming to? It's just so weird to think back to a time when being a hippie was the craziest thing you could do and it made mom and pop apolectic.

From the very beginning, when Kerouac fans banded together to set the house as a cross between a sweatshop and a shrine, the irony of a literary landmark in a town better known as a theme park destination did not escape them. And I wondered, personally, if the Beat Generation is forgotten. But truth is that Keroac fans from all over the world -- not necessarily writers, but people who were inspired by the rebelliousness and spiritual or psuedo spiritual pursuit the beat generation espoused, turn up at the house just to look at it. 

Ok that's all for now. To be honest with you I wrote this on this space as a sneaky way of penetrating my usual writing block so I have been using you - I mean it's not like I'm using you as test dummies; it's actually just using a space where I can feel free to screw up. More like a dress rehearsal.  It eliminates or at least tamps down writers block, the psychology of which I will explain for you from five decades worth of experience with it: It's really hard to get past the fear that I'm going to say something stupid on the page, that I am not smart enough, that everything has to be perfect from the moment it emerges from my fingers. Ironically enough, I think that Kerouac, who did his best to hotwire his brain and write instinctively, without examining the ideas too closely before turning them loose, without having a beady-eyed gatekeeper watching every move he made - I think (haven't done enough research to say this conclusively) that he is perceived by critic to have adopted a writing style designed at least in part to win the war with writing block. The approach he took to make his writing spontaneous, to duplicate experience as it happens as accurately as possible, is what endeared him not only to those who admired his spirit but those who seek to emulate his technique, putting him in a seat not too far removed from hemingway in terms of influencing the style of American writers for generations.

 

 

 

 


11/16/19 08:05 PM #6502    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

John and Mike, regarding former President Obama....I wonder if you would defend the lie perpetrated by our former President and his administration immediately following the attack in Benghazi on Sept.11, 2012.  I am speaking of their insistence that the deadly attack was the direct result of a little known internet video? I will never forget watching as Obama and Clinton stood at the foot of the caskets of four dead Americans and repeated such an egregious lie to the grieving families and to all of America. Why would Obama and Clinton repeat such a lie?  A lie that was repeated for weeks on the world stage, despite the fact that the intelligence received by Clinton's State Dept. from the very beginning of the attack, had informed them that the attack was pre- planned and carried out by an al Qaeda affiliated group, not spontaneous and the direct result of a Youtube video?


11/17/19 08:41 AM #6503    

 

Mary Ann Nolan (Thomas)

Really Mary Margaret? Do you reall want  to get into a discussion of Obama vs. Trump? I and other women I know will be ready to debate this with you. Just name the time and place.


11/17/19 11:15 AM #6504    

 

John Jackson

MM, I’m sure this will not surprise you, but I never understood the hold that Benghazi had on the right.  The real tragedy was that four lives were lost.   And I find it hard to believe the State Department did not draw whatever security lessons were appropriate from this tragic event – after all, in the Obama administration, professional diplomats serving us in dangerous places overseas were respected and valued.  

So devoting three years of hearings to decide the exact sequence of events that precipitated the attack (hearings which finally led to … absolutely nothing) struck me as a “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin” exercise.  And they didn’t bring the dead back to life.

You may feel that the administration and State Department made misleading statements about the reasons for the attack in the aftermath of Benghazi – I didn’t follow it like you did and, for all I know, you may well be right.  And if you want to call those statements lies, that’s your prerogative.  But, unlike our current president, Obama did not lie, day in and day out, about matters large and small, and force his people to do the same. 

In an attempt to convince you how strongly I feel that things are really different today and that my views about Trump are not just the normal back-and-forth partisan sniping, I’ll say that while I wasn’t a huge fan of W’s administration (surprise!), I can’t think of a single out-and-out lie that I would accuse him of telling.  Did he spin – of course (everyone does).   Did he jump to conclusions on WMD in Iraq - quite possibly.  But did he lie – I don’t think so.                                                

MM and anyone else should feel free to chime in, but I’m going to return to lurker status.


11/17/19 11:42 AM #6505    

 

Michael McLeod

We are the laughing stock of the world; a half dozen of our president's cronies are in jail or headed there soon; he's being impeached and in the process being exposed as a liar (as if we needed any further evidence on that score); our country under his watch has developed a habit of ignoring science, abandoning allies, favoring the wealthy, running roughshod over the environment, attacking women (in multiple ways) and separating children from their parents.

Seems if we want to start up a debate club or make sure everything's hunky dory in our own back yard we could cover that territory first.

 

 

 


11/17/19 01:09 PM #6506    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Since I love a good debate....I will be posting over on the User Forum in the near future where thoughts can continue to be shared and discussed.  I will let Mary Ann know the time and date.smiley.


11/17/19 02:08 PM #6507    

 

John Maxwell

The way to solve all these problems is to join hands and get your arms around them. Arguing and debating is a waste of time. Discussion and polite listening actually works. It's a gift. Mario Puzo said it best,"Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer."

11/17/19 06:39 PM #6508    

 

Mary Ann Nolan (Thomas)

 

 

MM ready but all you know is cutting a pasting Fox News and that will not be allowed. 

 

 


11/17/19 06:44 PM #6509    

 

Mary Ann Nolan (Thomas)

As I said good will outweigh evil.


11/17/19 08:55 PM #6510    

 

Michael McLeod

Now we've gone and done it. Mary Margaret's over there cranking out another one of her encyclicals.

 

Interesting that you brought up Fox.

Some data from a column by Nicholas Christoff today:

 

Researchers have found that Fox News isn’t very effective at informing Americans. A 2012 study by Fairleigh Dickinson University reported that watching Fox News had “a negative impact on people’s current events knowledge.”

The study found that those who regularly watched Fox News actually knew less about both domestic and international issues than those who watched no news at all. N.P.R. listeners were particularly well-informed, the study found, but even people who got their news from a comedy program like “The Daily Show” — or who had no news source whatsoever — knew more about current events than Fox viewers.

That may be correlation rather than causation, but at the least it suggests that viewers of Fox News don’t actually learn much.

Yet if Fox News doesn’t inform citizens, it does sway their votes. Two Stanford scholars, Gregory J. Martin and Ali Yurukoglu, published a paper in American Economic Review in 2017 suggesting that without the network, the Republican share of the vote for president would have been 0.46 percentage points lower in 2000, 3.6 points lower in 2004 and 6.3 percentage points lower in 2008.


11/17/19 11:52 PM #6511    

 

David Mitchell

My apologies to all. In my previous post about the seating chart fo the 55th.                I completely forgot about the food. 

Mea Culpa!

Being the "foodie" that I am, I consider this is a grevious oversight.

Although I think the exact food choices will be up to the "committee", I would like to suggest the manner in which it is served.  Here is my idea;

I think we should allow all the Conservatives to go through the buffet line first, so as to allow them to get just exactly the "right" amount of food on their plates. We will then allow the Liberals to follow them through the line and pick from the "Left"-overs. 

Any classmates who requite a special diet requirements should make their requests known to the committee ahead of time. Those may include Vegitarians, Vegans, Diabetics, and English Majors.

And for your safety, we will need to post the following warning signs at all entrances;

 

  All Helicopter Pilots Must Be Accompanied by an Adult

 


11/18/19 06:52 AM #6512    

 

Michael Boulware

John Jackson has the talent to write down what I am thinking. I say to myself, "that's what I wanted to say". Wat to go John. 


11/18/19 11:32 AM #6513    

 

Michael McLeod

Onward with my deep dive into Kerouac:

He was Catholic! Catholic and Canadian.

I did not know that.

It didn't keep him from exploring other religions - Buddhism for one -- but it stuck with him, Catholicism, though I don't think he was a church-going practitioner.

Much more confident at this point and drawn in by the story of this guy who informed so many heroes of our generation - from Dylan to the Beatles musically, while essayists and journalists inspired by his example would comprise an even longer list.

This piece won't see the light of day until January. I'll post it then. Hopefully you'll enjoy the finished product more than my creative-process ramblings.

Go Bucks! 

 

 

 


11/18/19 12:14 PM #6514    

 

Janie Albright (Blank)

A little nostalgia. We certainly had more rigorous training than our public school friends. Or my daughters in the following generation. I had them read mine. I asked my daughter's high school English teacher why they weren't reading and writing like we did and he said "You had nuns; they had nothing else to do than grade essays." Food for thought. I consider us lucky. 
 



 


11/18/19 12:31 PM #6515    

 

Michael McLeod

Don't get me started, Janie.

Anybody remember the little library on High Street next to the Clinton near the corner of East North Broadway? 

I sure hope I am passing on something of the joy of reading and writing that began for me there.

 


11/18/19 12:42 PM #6516    

 

David Mitchell

Janie,

You just hit one of my hot buttons  - again. We talked about this before but I am still baffled and upset that my grandkids are not being taught to write in longhand. Simply amazing! And that all they see on TV is angry unicorns and fighting ninjas. They have no concept of what a Cowboy or an Indian is. Will they be taught to "code" and never hear of Crazy Horse or Sitting Bull?

Sorry, I know I have harped on this before, but it really bothers me.

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And Mike B.

I taught John Jackson everything he knows - I was just trying to make it look like I needed his help (,,,,,,every damn weekend for 8 years!). 

But seriously, I thought your post about your experience in Kentucky football was as interesting and profound as anything we've seen on this forum. I'd love to hear you expound on that in the future. 

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Redundant, yes. Venice again - another damaging tide yesterday 

Now back for an additional story on my obession with Venice and  the "Mose" project. I know I am being redundant, but that first post was rather dry. If you have a few extra minutes, this is a segment from a past 60 Minutes episode and it's a much better "human interest" version of the problem.

Note: I do not know the date of this program - I not sure if it is recent. I do know that the project has been underway for a few years.

Ahah! If all else fails, read the date on the video - - -  in great big letters, Dave!   (February 2001)




11/18/19 02:16 PM #6517    

 

David Mitchell

DESPERATE - PLEASE HELP!

If there are any "Poldark" (PBS Masterpiece series) fans out there, I need someone to explain somethng from last night's series finale.

Something in that scene in the barn where Ross Poldark and the French General are dueling with swords caught me completely off guard. The last thing I expected was for the despicable George Warleggan to step in and save him. Did that seem odd to any of you? Did it seem almost forced or contrived? It just did not work for me.

Please tell me if I am missing something. Give me your best shot.

Anyone?   Class?   Anyone?


11/18/19 02:57 PM #6518    

 

Michael McLeod

Oh, and Janie:

My significant other -- and boy is she significant -- is a Montessori thoroughbred who is teaching elementary school students at a pubic charter school. And to summarize: the bureaucracy she must contend with consumes far, far more of her time than her students and parents do.

Another thing I am keenly aware of because of her are how impoverished our children are, both physically and intellectually, by virtue of the fact that many if not most of them play video games and watch television all day as opposed to running wild outside as we did. Jim may speak to this but what surprises me is how much physical activity plays into the development of mental capacity in early development, and how many young children need therapeutic intervention because of their inactivity in this day and age. It's not the only element that contributed to the problem - but it's so damn simple, so obvious, so easily preventable: let your damn kids run around and play! Whether they like it or not! I may be oversimplifying. I'm sure if I am the good doctor will pull me back down to earth.


11/18/19 03:09 PM #6519    

 

David Mitchell

Mike,

Amen to that!

Dad used ot harp on that all the time. He was really upset when he learned that Watterson only held "gym class" three times a week. 

And as for free "unstructured" play time for kids - one of his favorite dinner table discourses. He always said they need to be allowed to let their imaginations run free - that it was a neccessary part of brain development.

I wish we could ask Colleen to post the article she put on Facebook about this topic - not too far back on her FB page...... wonderful article,,,,,Colleen? 


11/18/19 04:52 PM #6520    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike,

Very true. I am no pediatrician but I think anyone in the health care realm will support the fact that the lack of physical activity - play time - and the video game obsession are major contributors to obesity, learning problems and possibly, in older children (teens and pre-teens), thoughts and acts of violence.

Jim


11/18/19 06:28 PM #6521    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Attention Hunters or Veterinarians in Our Class!

I caught a couple of photos of a large buck in back of the house who had a yellow tag in each ear. Obviously, I used a zoom lens. Then I brought it up on my computer screen isolated, blew up and did my best to sharpen the words on one of the tags. From what I can see, the top line reads "DO NOT EAT IF" and the second line is difficult but maybe is "[perhaps] HARVESTED (?)...[something]".

Can anyone help me here? Is anyone familiar with yellow deer ear tags? He appeared healthy so I doubt if he has wasting disease but I am unsure why the tag is there.

Thanks,

Jim


11/18/19 08:04 PM #6522    

 

Fred Clem

Jim,

I checked with my brother John (BWHS '64).  He is retired from ODNR Div of Wildlife.  He mentioned two possibilities.  It may have been treated with some medication harmful to humans or it could have been found in an area with toxic vegetation or water supply.  He mentioned ODNR did something similar where seeping waste from a former military base had contaminated a large wilderness area.

Fredr

 


11/18/19 08:20 PM #6523    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Fred, 

Thank you!

There have been recent reports of contamination (PFC's) in Monument Creek which runs by the Air Force Academy just about 3 miles north of our home. That could certainly be fitting with one of the scenarios that your brother has mentioned. These deer - and an occasional wayward moose - will sometimes follow such creeks. 

Jim

 

 


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