Message Forum

Welcome to the Watterson High School Message Forum.

The message forum is an ongoing dialogue between classmates. There are no items, topics, subtopics, etc.

Forums work when people participate - so don't be bashful! Click the "Post Message" button to add your entry to the forum.


 
go to bottom 
  Post Message
  
    Prior Page
 Page  
Next Page      

12/16/25 01:42 PM #16617    

 

Michael McLeod

Dave:I am offended by your use, below, of the word "hell."

Please change it to "heck." or "pshaw!"

 


12/17/25 11:19 AM #16618    

 

David Mitchell

there are about a dozen of these on YouTube with various rock songs and they all seem to match the same dance steps. How dey do dat?




12/17/25 02:16 PM #16619    

 

Michael McLeod

I'm just curious. Does anybody else out there feel guilty for not getting up and going to work?

I know it sounds crazy but sometimes I do.

I loved what I did - writing and teaching writing. So I kinda miss it. and kinda feel guity i'm not still doing it, at least a little.

 


12/18/25 10:31 AM #16620    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Can the Dark Ages Return?

Victor Davis Hanson
American Greatness

Western civilization arose in the 8th century B.C. Greece. Some 1,500 city-states emerged from a murky, illiterate 400-year-old Dark Age. That chaos followed the utter collapse of the palatial culture of Mycenaean Greece.

But what reemerged were constitutional government, rationalism, liberty, freedom of expression, self-critique, and free markets—what we know now as the foundation of a unique Western civilization.

The Roman Republic inherited and enhanced the Greek model.

For a millennium, the Republic and subsequent Empire spread Western culture, eventually to be inseparable from Christianity.

From the Atlantic to the Persian Gulf and from the Rhine and Danube to the Sahara, there were a million square miles of safety, prosperity, progress, and science—until the collapse of the Western Roman Empire in the 5th century AD.

What followed was a second European Dark Age, roughly from 500 to 1000 AD.

Populations declined. Cities eroded. Roman roads, aqueducts, and laws crumbled.

In place of the old Roman provinces arose tribal chieftains and fiefdoms.

Whereas once Roman law had protected even rural people in remote areas, during the Dark Ages, walls and stone were the only means of keeping safe.

Finally, at the end of the 11th century, the old values and know-how of the complex world of Graeco-Roman civilization gradually reemerged.

The slow rebirth was later energized by the humanists and scientists of the Renaissance, Reformation, and eventually the 200-year European Enlightenment of the 17th and 18th centuries.

Contemporary Americans do not believe that our current civilization could self-destruct a third time in the West, followed by an impoverished and brutal Dark Age.

But what caused these prior returns to tribalism and loss of science, technology, and the rule of law?

Historians cite several causes of societal collapse—and today they are hauntingly familiar.

Like people, societies age. Complacency sets in.

The hard work and sacrifice that built the West also creates wealth and leisure. Such affluence is taken for granted by later generations. What created success is eventually ignored—or even mocked.

Expenditures and consumption outpace income, production, and investment.

Child-rearing, traditional values, strong defense, love of country, religiosity, meritocracy, and empirical education fade away.

The middle class of autonomous citizens disappear. Society bifurcates between a few lords and many peasants.

Tribalism—the pre-civilizational bonds based on race, religion, or shared appearance—remerge.

National government fragments into regional and ethnic enclaves.

Borders disappear. Mass migrations are unchecked. The age-old bane of anti-Semitism reappears.

The currency inflates, losing its value and confidence. General crassness in behavior, speech, dress, and ethics replaces prior norms.

Transportation, communications, and infrastructure all decline.

The end is near when the necessary medicine is seen as worse than the disease.

Such was life around 450 AD in Western Europe.

The contemporary West might raise similar red flags.

Fertility has dived well below 2.0 in almost every Western country.

Public debt is nearing unsustainable levels. The dollar and euro have lost much of their purchasing power.

It is more common in universities to damn than honor the gifts of the Western intellectual past.

Yet, the reading and analytical skills of average Westerners, and Americans in particular, steadily decline.

Can the general population even operate or comprehend the ever-more sophisticated machines and infrastructure that an elite group of engineers and scientists creates?

The citizen loses confidence in an often corrupt elite, who neither will protect their nations’ borders nor spend sufficient money on collective defense.

The cures are scorned.

Do we dare address spiraling deficits, unsustainable debt, and corrupt bureaucracies and entitlements?

Even mention of reform is smeared as “greedy,” “racist,” “cruel,” or even “fascist” and “Nazi.”

In our times, relativism replaces absolute values in the eerie replay of the latter Roman Empire.

Critical legal theory claims crimes are not really crimes.

Critical race theory postulates that all of society is guilty of insidious bias, demanding reparations in cash and preferences in admission and hiring.

Salad-bowl tribalism replaces assimilation, acculturation, and integration of the old melting pot.

Despite a far wealthier, far more leisured, and far more scientific contemporary America, was it safer to walk in New York or take the subway in 1960 than now?

Are high school students better at math now or 70 years ago?

Are movies and television more entertaining and ennobling in 1940 or now?

Are nuclear, two-parent families the norm currently or in 1955?

We are blessed to live longer and healthier lives than ever—even as the larger society around us seems to teeter.

Yet, the West historically is uniquely self-introspective and self-critical.

Reform and Renaissance historically are more common than descents back into the Dark Ages.

But the medicine for decline requires unity, honesty, courage, and action—virtues now in short supply on social media, amid popular culture, and among the political class.

 

 
 

12/18/25 11:31 AM #16621    

 

John Jackson

A reaction to Trump’s address last night by Tom Nichols appeared in The Atlantic today.  Nichols is a professor emeritus at the U.S. Naval War College, where he taught for 25 years.

This Is What Presidential Panic Looks Like

The president of the United States just barged into America’s living rooms like an angry, confused grandfather to tell us all that we are ungrateful whelps.

When a president asks for network time, it’s usually to announce something important. But tonight, Donald Trump did not give anything like a normal speech or address. He was clearly working from a prepared text, but it sounded like one he’d written—or dictated angrily—himself, because it was full of bizarre howlers that even Trump’s second-rate speech-writing shop would probably have avoided...

We could take apart Trump’s fake facts, as checkers and pundits will do in the next few days. But perhaps more important than false statements—which for Trump are par for the course—was his demeanor.

Americans saw a president drenched in panic as he tried to bully an entire nation into admitting he’s doing a great job. For 20 minutes, he vented his hurt feelings without a molecule of empathy or awareness.

Economic concerns? Shut up, you fools, the economy is doing fine. (And if it isn’t, it’s not his fault—it’s Joe Biden’s.) Foreign-policy jitters? Zip it, you wimps, America is strong and respected.

In effect, Trump took to the airwaves, pointed his finger, and said: Quiet, piggy.

I consider myself a connoisseur of Trump’s speeches. I’ve watched them and live-tweeted them for years because I think Americans need to see what kind of man sits in the Oval Office. But even by Trump’s standards, this was an unnerving display of fear. I can only imagine America’s enemies in Moscow and Beijing and Tehran smiling with pleasure as they watched a president losing his bearings, berating his own people, and demanding that they absolve him of any blame when things get worse.

His rant contained no news, other than an example of his contempt for the U.S. military, whose loyalty he thinks he can purchase with a onetime $1,776 bonus check. This is projection: Trump has shown his willingness to be bought off with gold bars and trinkets, and he may think that the men and women of the armed forces are people of equally low character.

This was not a holiday address from the president of a great democracy to its citizens. This was a desperate tin-pot leader yelling into a microphone while cornered in his palace redoubt. Trump has been unraveling for weeks, and his speech tonight, like Trump himself, was unworthy of America and its people.


12/18/25 01:43 PM #16622    

 

Michael McLeod

It is more common in universities to damn than honor the gifts of the Western intellectual past.

 

As a long time/part time educator I take exception to the sentence above that I read in an essay recently.

 I've seen many points of view from many directions as a teacher in various university systems over the years. Didn't notice a prevalence of damning the western intellectual past. There was indeed some criticism of it but there was an equal amount of celebrating it at osu, indiana university, ohio dominican college, and a coupla junior colleges where I taught (all of which was mostly part time)

so I would take this sentence with a grain of salt. Hell yes there is criticism of the system rampant at universities and among college aged young people. but this sentence is simplistic and misleading if you ask me. and if I  had a student that just summarily trashed the western intellectual past, which I sometimes did, I challenged them. So did other students in the class. So I think this sentence is simplistic. I DO agree that many professors like to lift their legs over conventional western thought. But they will be challenged.  

 

 

 


12/18/25 04:05 PM #16623    

 

Nina Osborn (Rossi)


12/18/25 04:07 PM #16624    

 

Nina Osborn (Rossi)

Sorry!!!  Who knows why the pics are not right!!!  I shall send to Janie and she can add the rest. We had a great time. Hope to see so many of you at our reunion!!  Merry Christmas. 


12/18/25 04:30 PM #16625    

 

David Mitchell

So, How did the Christmas luncheon go?


12/18/25 05:17 PM #16626    

Joseph Gentilini

Hi David - the Christmas luncheon was wonderful!! I am sorry you had to miss it. There were about 28 of us divided by putting tables together. There was lots of talking with everyone there and everyone seemed to love it. I think they are plannning to do this again next year.  MCL cafeteria staff were great and so was the food. And there was a group picture but I not sure now who took the picture or how they might share it. Hopefully others will give there reactions but I AM SO GLAD I WAS ABLE TO BE THERE!

 

Joe


12/18/25 05:26 PM #16627    

Joseph Gentilini

I am responding to John Jackson posting of a journalist' reaction to trump's harrangue (?).  John, you are a better person than I in listening to all of his speeches.  I have heard and read to him enough that I won't do it anymore. I don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. Frankly, he should be in prison for treason. So, instead of listening to him, Leo and I watched the old movie, The Bells of St. Marys, and we liked it - hadn't seen it for many years.  


12/18/25 07:35 PM #16628    

 

David Mitchell

The Bells of St Mary's is one great film. 

The "Orange" rantings were anything but. 


12/18/25 07:36 PM #16629    

 

Julie Carpenter

First of all, great luncheon. Always so uplifting to see my fellow classmates. Lot of hugs and well wishes. Really enjoyed myself, although I am always wishing for better seating arrangements at these luncheons. Seem to miss talking to people at other tables, even when walking around. Great to see Jim Merkle (and his lovely wife) after all these years--don't think I've seen him in decades!

Loved John's Trump joke. Agree with Joe Gentilini that I tend to skip over news articles on Trump because I'm sick and tired of his selfish, self grandizing, mean-spirited, me-me-me rhetoric bs. (That is what you said, isn't it, Joe?) Like Mike's musings, Dave's walks down memory lane, Joe's pointed comments, and Mark's needlings. Generally like perusing the forum, but don't often have comments worth sharing.

I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

 


12/18/25 07:51 PM #16630    

 

David Mitchell

There you go again Julie, constantly hogging the Forum!


12/18/25 09:11 PM #16631    

 

David Mitchell

I promised I would not write anything that might be too intense for you all. Please don't judge me on that point till this story concludes. What sounds pretty gross, has a very happy ending.

This will be a chapter in my (yet unfnished) book, brought on now because a few days ago would be the anniversary date on which it occurred.

 

"I Signed Up For 365 Days",,,, But Then Day 363 happened.

I was coming to the end of my full (obligatory) year in Vinh Long. I had already commited to a six month voluntary extension which would grant me a 30 day "Leave" back home before returning for those extra six months.

We had an unwritten rule that Pilots and crew got removed from flight status about a week to ten days before the end of their "tour" of duty, for an obvious reason - "you made it this far - now let's not get you hurt just a week or so before going home". That had gradually grown into two weeks and was beginning to put some pressure on the rest of us to make up the resulting demand for flight hours.

Then one day I was standing in the Scout hooch, and we heard that somebody had requested off flight status for his last two and a half weeks. I was standing with a couple of my fellow pilots and I sort of blew up with disapproval. It was "Crusader Dave" in me, reacting,

"Dammit! I signed up for 365 days and I intend to fly down to day 364 and get my flight home on day 365!" 

So, it was day 363, and I was flying as the "Lead" pilot (of the two Loaches) in an area known as the "U-Minh Forrest" - perhaps the worst area of any in the entire Delta. Miles of thick jungle (from which we could never pick up a downed pilot), infested with large units of NVA and some VC. We rarely worked that area because the risk was so high.

Another pilot actually confronted me on the refueling pad, asking me "Mitch are you stupid? What the F - - - are you still doing in a cockpit today?"

We were hovering along a small tree line - maybe 20 foot tall "Nipa palms" - like our SC Palmettos, but with longer leaves (and made great camoflauge - covering a man's body with only two long leaves). I thought I detected some "presence" undeneath us. It appeared as if Nipa Palm leaves had been cut and layed in exactly the same pattern for row after row of camoflauge in this small grove of trees. I came to a still hover (full stop) - something we did often but was not the most intelligent manuever. Then I began to hover slowly backwards and tapped my intercom button to say to my Observer, "Doesn't this camoflauge look too perfect?" 

Just then we heard the crakling sound of an AK-47 and I heard the sound of rounds impacting the ship. (later learned it was 3 rounds directly into my main transmission)

I gave the usual pannicked reaction of jerking my "collective" hard up, which popped us up maybe ten feet higher before the engine completely failed and we lost power. From a height of about thirty feet I was able to pull off a near perfect "autorotation"

* (remember how many times I flubbed that in flight school?).

We made it out about 70 yards into the open rice paddy area beyond the woods. I was able to set the ship down upright (they often rolled the ship and tore it apart on these "shoot downs"). I made a nearly soft landing, perhaps spreading my skids a bit on a slightly hard impact).

The "C&C" ("Comand & Control" Huey at 500 feet) was down on top of us in barely more than a minute - hovering maybe ten yards from us. We ran over to them, jumped in the back seat floor (side doors always removed on our Huey's for ease of boarding) and they (pilots Captains Don and Joe) lifted us out immediately.

 

TBC 

 


12/18/25 09:48 PM #16632    

 

David Mitchell

Just a thought:

The Catholic Church requires that Cardinals retire from their position at age 75.

Shouldn't we do that with our own president and congrress?

 

 


12/19/25 08:26 AM #16633    

 

Michael McLeod

Thanks for the Yule greetings, Julie - and thanks,as always, for the combat yarn,Dave.

You sure do have a treasure chest of military experience to draw from, and I'm pretty sure I have already offered to assist in any way I can in terms of polishing if you're stil writing these up. .

But having said that I think you have a gift for telling a tale and I'm not sure I'd be of much use. You're a natural. And thanks, as they say,for your service, Mine was a breeze by comparison. (clerk typist at nato hq in heidelberg germany).

Having said all  that, as a taxpayer I'm a little pissed off at you for taking that expensive chopper on a joyride and taking on the risk of losing it.

 


12/19/25 11:32 AM #16634    

 

Michael Boulware

Monica and Nina did a marvelous job planning the luncheon at MCL It was great seeing Jim Merkling and everyone else.; a bunch of real fine people. The luncheon just made me look forward to our reunion on July 25 even more. Sue and Carol said the same thing

Special thanks to Brian McNamara for showing up at Dublin Scioto to watch my grandson wrestle. Brian wrestled at Watterson and John Carroll  so he can give good advice. Janie found the famous Chocolate Turtles at Eagle Candy and shared with everyone. Dave Dunn continues to prove that he is a good guy everytime I see him. Don Brown (Monica's husband) took pictures. 


12/19/25 11:47 AM #16635    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Very interesting happenings in Columbus.

https://x.com/MehekCooke/status/2001843328871207382?s=20

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2001772406558355485?s=20

Our mayor, our police chief, and our city attorney general (also a member of IC) are choosing illegals over American citizens. Lawlessness wrapped in virtue signaling. 

 


12/19/25 11:58 AM #16636    

 

Michael McLeod

what a wonderful term: virtue signalling.

I am out of the writing/literary game these days and hadn't encountered that one. love it. looked it up:

 

 

"Virtue signaling" on Urban Dictionary and elsewhere means publicly showing off good morals or beliefs (like on social media) to gain approval, improve social status, or appear virtuous, without necessarily taking real action, often implying the person is shallow or insincere, focused on image over substance, and just trying to "fit in" with popular moral trends. It's like wearing a charity pin to look good, not to truly help, or posting about a cause just for likes, not because you deeply care or act on it. 

 

gotta go now. looking around for more wretched orphans to adopt.


12/19/25 02:23 PM #16637    

 

David Mitchell

It's refrehing to see that Columbus is being run by human beigns who prefer to follow the rule of law,  instead of thugs and bullies, wearing cowardly masks.


12/19/25 08:52 PM #16638    

 

John Jackson

Dave, I couldn’t agree more.  Everyone supports rounding up and deporting murderers, rapists and drug smugglers but, by and large, that’s not what ICE’s masked thugs are doing now.  Immigration enforcement is a federal responsibility and state and local government are under no obligation to devote law enforcement resources to rounding up hard-working, law abiding immigrants who harvest our crops, build our housing and staff our nursing homes and day care centers.


12/19/25 08:53 PM #16639    

 

John Jackson

On a totally different subject, one (really obscure) musical group that I really like is Spell Songs,  which takes its name from a book “The Lost Words: A Spell Book” by Scottish author Robert MacFarlane.  Quoting from the book’s website,

The book began as a response to the removal of everyday nature words - among them "acorn", "bluebell", "kingfisher" and "wren" - from a widely used children’s dictionary, because those words were not being used enough by children to merit inclusion. But The Lost Words then grew to become a much broader protest at the loss of the natural world around us, as well as a celebration of the creatures and plants with which we share our lives, in all their wonderful, characterful glory.




12/19/25 09:27 PM #16640    

 

David Mitchell

"I Signed Up For 365 Days...but Then, Day 363 Happened" continued 

- (be patient with me - this part gets nasty but it comes out okay)

As I have explained in earlier stories, we flew these so called "Hunter-Killer" missions with two teams of two (both Loaches and Cobras) - one team flying the search, and one team waiting back at the staging area - for about two hours shifts (an approximate fuel load).

But if someone was shot down (as happened now and then) that meant the waiting team had to crank up immediatley and come out to help cover the downed crew, or at least continue the search while the recovery took place. 

So as my Observer (I forget who it was that day) and I were being flown back to the nearby staging field in the C&C ship - piloted by Captains Don and Joe, the alternate team came out to replace us in the field. 

(I might add, Captain Joe was one of my better buddies - and had previously been shot down twice in six months while flying as one of us Scout pilots - before "opting out" of the Scout Platoon)

The team that flew out to replace us - Captain Jim and Warrant Officer Roger (the same Jim who took the hits in his Tuna fish cans I wrote about earlier), arrived shortly and were directed to the approximate location of the source of enemy fire. 

They were warned not go go directly over the spot, but Captain Jim was a very head strong guy and chose to make one pass over the area to "check it out".

As Jim and Roger passed over the area, they both came under heavy automatic weapons fire. It was quickly determined that I had been hovering over a North Vietnames Company (about 160 too 200) of those khaki uniformed - and much better equipped "Regulars" - not the usual small band of six or eight VC.

As both voices yelled "receiving fire - receiving fire", Roger (the "wing" man and second ship over the target started yelling "One-seven's takin' hits. We're takin' hits!

Roger had taken 4 hits from straight on against his 'Chicken plate' (see below), which repels anything up to and including a .30 caliber, an AK-47, or an SKS. But the bottom round had ricocheted off the bottom edge of his 'chicken plate' and lodged right in his "manhood"!   (Yes - that thing!) 

The radio conversation went a bit like this; 

one of the C&C pilots  "One-Seven are you okay?"

And Roger answered, "Yea, but I've gotta pee so bad I can hardly stand it " 

Again the C&C; One-seven, are you sure you're okay?"

And Roger answered, "I'm not so sure, my crotch is soaked with blood."

They all immedately headed back to the staging field. Roger landed and got out of his ship as others gathered around him, and he had bled all over his mid section and the floor of his cockpit!

 

"Chicken Plate"- mandatory for all flight crews. The bib is about 14 pounds and 1 1/2 inch thick - layers of ceramic and metal if I recall correctly. (would not stop a .50 caliber)

 

Several of the guys carried him over to one of the Hueys and lifted Roger on board. They took off heading back to Can Tho ("Can Toe") to drop him at the Binh Thuy ("bin tewy") Field EVAC hospital. It was decided to end the day's mission and head for home. Those of us Scout pilots stopped on our way home at the hospital (right on our way) and went in to check on Roger's condition.

 T B C

 

 


12/20/25 08:57 PM #16641    

 

David Mitchell

Those new White House Presidential plaques show a lot of "class".  

Don't they?


go to top 
  Post Message
  
    Prior Page
 Page  
Next Page