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09/24/25 09:39 AM #16229    

 

John Jackson

Mike, your post about the New York Times' correction makes a great point about the pains "highbrow journalistic media" take to report accurately.   On the (rare) occasions when responsible news organizations (like NYT) get it wrong they admit their mistake and set the record straight.

 


09/24/25 11:31 AM #16230    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

John — I asked AI to look into three instances where the NYT and other mainstream outlets repeatedly published specific falsehoods over a six-year span. Because each of these claims was used to influence presidential elections — and subsequently to delegitimize an elected president — they aren’t merely journalistic errors. They represent a danger to the informed consent our nation depends on and therefore, deserves continued scrutiny.

AI:   

I could not locate any credible, documented instances in the last six years in which The New York Times issued a formal correction admitting that it had falsely reported:

  • that Trump colluded with Russia (in the sense of an illegal conspiracy);

  • that Russian bounties on U.S. troops in Afghanistan were real and ignored by Trump;

  • or that Hunter Biden’s laptop story was mere Russian disinformation.

Below is a summary of what is known, caveats, and possible relevant acknowledgments (but not full retractions or corrections) — with sources. If you want, I can dig more deeply into NYT archives (print & digital) to see if there are any obscure corrections.


What is known and what is not

Trump-Russia collusion claims

  • The notion of “Trump-Russia collusion” (i.e. an improper or criminal coordination) was explored extensively, particularly in the Mueller investigation and congressional investigations.

  • The New York Times reported on those investigations and on various allegations.

  • However, I did not find evidence that NYT formally issued a correction saying “we were wrong — there was no collusion, and we reported falsely.”

  • In public discourse, some critics claim “The NYT admitted it was wrong about Trump-Russia collusion,” but the evidence is generally weak or anecdotal.

Russian bounties in Afghanistan

  • The “Russian bounty” allegation refers to claims that Russia paid Taliban-affiliated militants to kill U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, and that the Trump administration ignored intelligence warnings of that.

  • That was a controversial report. Some news outlets—including The New York Times—published stories about these claims or responses to them.

  • But again, I did not find a documented NYT correction retracting that it was false.

Hunter Biden laptop / Russian disinformation claims

  • In October 2020, soon after the New York Post published the Hunter Biden laptop story, there was widespread suspicion and claims (by some media, officials, and intelligence veterans) that the story might be part of a Russian information operation or disinformation effort.

  • The New York Times published cautious articles, noting that the provenance was uncertain and that no definitive proof of disinformation had emerged.

  • In March/April 2022, the Times published authenticated emails from the laptop in a news story, implicitly reflecting that the data are genuine. That story is sometimes cited as a kind of “admission” that the laptop story was legitimate. New York Post

  • But I did not find a NYT correction explicitly stating, “We wrongly described or treated the laptop as Russian disinformation.”

  • Other media (e.g. The Washington Post’s “Fact Checker”) have discussed distortions in how the “50 former intelligence officials” letter was portrayed (e.g. as definitive disinformation) versus what it actually said (which used hedged language).

 

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09/24/25 11:36 AM #16231    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

John — I’ll leave you to continue to defend the NYT and the legacy media, while I happily turn my attention to cheering on my Yankees, who finally clinched a spot in the World Series playoffs last night!


09/24/25 12:05 PM #16232    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Joe G.

Surgery date is yet to be determined (I am awaiting the call). My case is non-emergent and I prefer to wait for the specific surgeon I want.

That being said, prayers are always welcome and I thank you for them!

I'll keep all informed.

Jim


09/24/25 12:42 PM #16233    

 

David Mitchell

Mike,

I was using the term "Coons" to mean racoons. It was Mary Carol Daley that thought I meant Black men.

Like you, I would have gotten a good slap in the face if I had used the term that way.

 


09/24/25 02:43 PM #16234    

 

Michael McLeod

Rats. More homework. I'll do some more poking around about the nyt russia stuff.

There are a couple of hard-hitting journalistic trade magazines that love to catch the nytimes screwing up. I will start there.

Be back atcha but not until I do some digging.

And I'm kidding with the "rats" -- this is fascinating.


09/24/25 09:16 PM #16235    

 

John Jackson

MM, there is ample evidence that Russia favored Trump in the 2016 election and that Trump welcomed the Russian support.  There is a very narrow legal definition of “collusion” (which requires that Trump would have had to actively plan and coordinate with Putin) and in the end the report by special prosecutor Robert Mueller concluded that Trump’s behavior did not meet that narrow legal definition and he declined to prosecute him.  But Mueller pushed back strenuously when Trump claimed the report exonerated him.

From Wikipedia: The report states that Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election was illegal and occurred "in sweeping and systematic fashion",[10][11][12] and was welcomed by the Trump campaign as it expected to benefit from such efforts.[13][14][15] It also identified multiple links between Trump associates and Russian officials and spies,[16] about which several persons connected to the campaign made false statements and obstructed investigations.[4] Mueller later stated that his investigation's findings of Russian interference "deserves the attention of every American".[17]

The NYT reported extensively on this topic, including the fact that Mueller ultimately decided not to prosecute Trump because his conduct, though reprehensible, did not meet the legal standard for “collusion”.  So no correction/retraction is needed .

I do concede that one of the few stories that mainstream media initially got wrong was Hunter Biden’s laptop, but can you blame them – crazy uncle Rudy Giuliani first surfaced with the laptop in his possession.  But you didn’t read what you posted very carefully because it states:

The Times published authenticated emails from the laptop in a news story, implicitly reflecting that the data are genuine. That story is sometimes cited as a kind of “admission” that the laptop story was legitimate. 

So I don’t expect NYT to issue a 10-word retraction of their extensive (and nuanced) coverage of this topic over many months.  

In the meantime, feel free to provide us with 50 word posts/rants by random dudes on X, that provide absolutely no reason why we should find their rants persuasive unless we already agree with them (which is what social media is all about).

And I read a few days ago that Musk has tweaked Grok (his AI offering) to make it more conservative – so  much for the reliability of AI on political topics and please don’t respond with a response based on AI.

This exchange has gone on long enough – I’ve said that I think politics has a place on the Forum (and this has never been truer as Trump violates norm after norm and assaults our democracy)  but politics shouldn’t dominate – so you can have the last word.

 


09/25/25 07:54 AM #16236    

 

Michael McLeod

OK FOR ANYBODY ELSE WHO CARES:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpLWhWtKhc4

 

Being in the biz I was interested in the discussion over the nytimes screw up visa vi russian/trump collusion gaff.

the times did indeed publically admit to the error in its reportage.

lordie. humiliating. i made minor errors over the course of my career and man is it humbling to write corrections to be printed in the paper no matter how small l the error. I never did anything disastrous but even little mistakes feel big when it goes out to thousands of readers.

see link above if you're interested.


09/25/25 10:44 AM #16237    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Interesting Mike, maybe you could explain why it takes a huge entity like NYT 2-3 years to uncover the lies that were reported day after day about these critical issues while other alternative media were demonized, canceled & dismissed for reporting the truth, or often for simply raising questions. 


09/25/25 11:48 AM #16238    

 

Michael McLeod

I'd love to dig into that if you'd give me a bit more info about the publications and particular issues/misrepresentations you are referring to, mm. It wouldn't be the first time smaller pubs were a step ahead of the big shots - when I taught journalism classes the textbooks they had me using had had plenty of examples of it. I've always been a fan of alternative media.  And if the nytimes screwed up there are lots of journalism professors and schools that love to incorporate into their classes and lectures. I'm not teaching anymore and I've stopped writing, too, though I may have to get back into it to keep from being bored to death. 

In all seriousness, I am fidgity as hell since i stopped teaching and writing. 

 


09/25/25 12:38 PM #16239    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Triplets? Maybe or not!

Caught this doe with her family of fawns on my cellphone yesterday as I was making my afternoon "rounds" picking up pine cones around our house.

I had not seen this foursome before and it made me a bit curious. Although triplets are not unknown among mule deer, they are uncommon. 

Sometimes if a momma is killed - like by a car - another doe will adopt her fawn. Whatever, all three of these young deer seem to be healthy and doing well as the cold months are coming soon, and with their mom, or adopted mom, will gather around with other moms and fawns until next spring when they will separate and the cycle will repeat once again. 

Jim


09/25/25 01:44 PM #16240    

 

Michael McLeod

Dweeb that I am I get jazzed by this stuff about the nytimes reportage.

Here's a summary of various recent nytimes screw-ups, some of which people have talked about over here:

Call me a hopeless journalistic dweeb but I'll never cancel my nyt subscription or curb my devotion to the greatest newspaper in the world. when I was getting my journalism m.a, degree at osu we'd get guest speakers from the ny times on rare occasions and yes i was starry eyed.

bear in mind the volume of information that goes into that paper daily. mistakes are bound to be made. the times is very good about acknowledging them. I screwed up myself and had to publically account for it on numerous occasions during my writing career - all of the mistakes,fortunately, being minor but embarrassing nonetheless. But Ihad to write up the correction and hang my head when it ran in the paper the next day. 

Anyway For any other current events dweebs and journalism junkies out there here's info from the new york times corrections website, some of which relate to recent back and forths being talked about here. I have a subscription so I can get into the website; I don't know whether the general pubic can.

If you'd like me to get specific explanations about nytimes reportage mistakes or clrarifications, I can try.  Not sure if the material I found below is of interest.

 

 
Hunter Biden's laptop
  • Initial skepticism: In October 2020, following the New York Post's story on Hunter Biden's laptop, the Times was among several outlets that approached the story with caution. Concerns included the murky chain of custody of the laptop, the provenance of its contents, and the possibility of a disinformation campaign.
  • Authenticity confirmed: In March 2022, nearly a year and a half after the initial story, the Times reported it had authenticated some of the emails from a "cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden".
  • No retraction: While the Times changed its initial cautious framing, it did not issue a formal correction acknowledging that it had been wrong to question the laptop's authenticity or label it as potential Russian disinformation. In fact, the newspaper's March 2022 coverage mentioned that no evidence ever emerged that the leak was a Russian plot. 

09/25/25 04:13 PM #16241    

 

David Mitchell

As I have mentioned before, I spend a lot of time satisfying my boredom on YouTube, looking at all kindsof stuff - history, aviation, current events, (sports) - but mostly music. It's where I found that young Irish street busker Allie Sherlock, those two Yugoslavian cellists, (Sulik & Hauser) 2CELLLOS, and others.

Perhaps the most fascinating one is a young french lady who goes by "INDILA".

Her real name is Adila Sedraïa.

I find her angelic voicee and stunning beauty to be quite compelling. And listiening to her singing in french is mesmerising. She was a song writer for years, then cut one album of her own voice, and then became almost a national fixture.

 Enjoy a couple of her videos.



 

 


09/25/25 07:50 PM #16242    

 

Michael McLeod

 

 
 


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Shared with PublicIndulge me just this once.
Every now and then I poke around on line for old columns I wrote.
Many of them I have totally forgotten having written. Like this one.
I got excited when I had the chance to interview bigshot and movie stars but the best of all was when I got to write about KIDS!
The headline over the story was "SESAME STREET GOES TO THE OPERA"
 
 
 
 
By Michael Mcleod | Orlando Sentinel
UPDATED: October 25, 2018 at 4:09 PM EDT
It’s five minutes to curtain time. The cast is in place backstage and the audience is brimming with holiday cheer. But it’s all Karen Sorin can do to keep a grim smile in place.
Sorin is the show’s director, and what she has on her hands is no ordinary grade-school holiday show.
This one features a cast of 145 students, ages 5 through 13, and none of them is dressed as archangels, elves or dancing reindeer.
This is the annual Winterfest of the New School, an ambitious private K through 8 prep school near downtown Orlando. The school has a tradition of upping the ante with its holiday shows, challenging students and surprising parents with unusual productions. Once it was fractured fairy tales. Another year it was scenes from Broadway musicals.
This year, it’s opera.
Bizet. Gounod. Puccini. Mozart, in German. Verdi, in the original Italian. All of it mixed in with a few other traditional Italian folk songs and brought to you by a cast that can barely remember boy bands.
When Sorin and co-director Etty Baru proposed the idea, even Sorin’s husband, school director Morrie Sorin, was taken aback. “I thought they were crazy,” he says.
Opera is the heavy lifter of the performing arts. Everything about it is big: themes, casts, costumes, voices, waistlines. Kids are little. Karen Sorin seems to think this is not a problem. At least that’s what she keeps telling herself.
“Our kids don’t know they aren’t supposed to be singing opera,” she says. “They don’t know it’s supposed to be too hard for them. They think it’s fun.”
Still, there are a few adjustments that have to be made. Third-grader Catherine Frederick is nearly lost amid the singers and dancers penned up backstage. Catherine, 8, will be part of a chorus singing “Papageno,” from Mozart’s opera The Magic Flute, and “L’Biamo,” from Verdi’s La Traviata.
Here is what she has to say about opera:
“When you sing Italian, you have to move your mouth a lot.”
Fellow third-grader Ele Clark, 7, seems to be relishing the challenge. “It’s a lot harder than “Clang clang clang went the trolley” and “yodelei-hoo,” she volunteers.
Out in the audience, parents are comparing notes about a sudden surge of interest among their young ones in foreign languages and Puccini CDs. Cindy Schmidt says she could sense that the contagion of operatic excess had taken hold of her daughter, cast member Alex Schelle, 8, when Alex requested a juice box on the way out the door to the performance — provided that someone else would hold the juice box for her.
“She couldn’t carry it herself because her nails were drying,” said Schmidt. “I think I have a diva on my hands.”
Now there is a round of shushing backstage. Dozens of slippered feet pad into place. The show begins.
First there is the warm-up: a humorous song about opera, in English. It’s filled with inside opera jokes — many of which the kids have come to understand:
I never did like opera
They always sing too high
Vibrato always bothered me
It made me want to cry.
Then we tried singing opera
We found it very tough.
It takes a trained professional
To sing such difficult stuff.
True enough.
Yet who knew 8-year-olds could look so convincing belting out the wine song from La Traviata? When was the last time you heard what a group of hearty kindergartners can do with “Funiculi, Funicula”?
It may be the stuff of amateurs, but the operatic sampling stitched together by the New School cast works remarkably well.
Somehow the expansiveness of “O Sole Mio” is even grander when embraced by a youthful chorus.
Somehow the alluring “Habanera” from Carmen can be translated into shimmering innocence by fifth-grade girls.
After the show, a relieved Karen Sorin breaks away from a swirl of backstage hugs to say that what opera taught her was to never underestimate the secret life of children.
“They understood the passion of the music,” she says. “During rehearsals, I got a group of second-graders together and asked them if any of them had been in love.”
One by one, all of the hands had gone up.
Originally Published: December 29, 2003 at 12:00 AM EST

09/25/25 07:51 PM #16243    

 

David Mitchell

MIKE!

I think you need to lift your finger of the "REPEAT" button!


09/25/25 07:52 PM #16244    

 

Michael McLeod

Dave: THANKS! I FREAKED OUT!!!!

I couldn't understand what was going on until  I saw your note yikes thanks

anyway hope you enjoy an old column of mine i ran across. loved writing about kids.

and please forgive my senility.


09/26/25 01:08 PM #16245    

 

Michael McLeod

oh a p.s. to mary margaret:

if it's not too much to ask any info you can send me along the lines of legitimate spiritual communties being demonized by the press would be something I'd be interested in. I have practised and taught journalistmfor a long time now and it's in my blood and my appetite for perspectives about it is same as ever. Especially interested in areas where work and introspection needs doing. 


09/26/25 03:39 PM #16246    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike, I sent you a link on your Facebook Private Messenger.smiley


09/26/25 04:23 PM #16247    

 

Michael McLeod

thank you mm#1


09/27/25 11:10 AM #16248    

 

Michael McLeod

wow. just fixed myself soft boiled eggs and realized i don't have a salt shaker in my kitchen. what sortof derelict doesn't have a salt shaker in his kitchen?


09/27/25 12:19 PM #16249    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Arachnology Time Again

Late September once again brings out that "march of the tarantulas" in Southeast Colorado, particularly near the town of La Junta. Although it is an interesting phenomenon and I would love to photograph it, it is a long drive from the Springs to that place and I prefer larger wildlife as subjects for my camera.

However, since I am interested in most biologic topics, I read some interesting things today on the subject of animal mechanics. In my senior year at OSU I took a course in that topic but tarantula movement was not covered, perhaps it had not yet been studied.

Apparently, during droughts - which are common in the eastern plains of Colorado - the brown tarantulas become quite wobbly. Researchers have found that these spiders' legs are not controlled by tiny muscles but rather by some sort of hydraulic pressure system to allow them movement. Perhaps any engineers in our class could explain that to me.

The male tarantulas are subject to other dangers in addition to droughts during their journey. Crossing the roads of the plains to get to their female companions is dangerous enough due to traffic, but also the possibility of being eaten alive from the inside out by the Tarantula Hawk Wasp, a critter with one of the most painful stings in the insect world.

But, in the long run (or march), love will conquer the danger of the journey and many males will reach their intended mates and the species will continue.

Ain't biology fascinating!!!

Jim

Note to Mike McL.:

Unfortunately, many patients with CHF - congestive heart failure -, significant hypertension or maybe some other medical conditions probably shouldn't have that shaker of salt so easily in reach! 😯

 

 

 

 

 


09/27/25 10:21 PM #16250    

 

David Mitchell

It just occured to me that I am celebrating a 60-year anniversary of sorts.

In the summer of our junior yesr (1965) I was priviledged to join a group after about 120 high school and college students from central Ohio in an 8-week trip to Salzburgh, Austria. It was a a German language and culture program led by a Proffessor Lenz from Ohio State. We lived with local "families" - but ours wasa childless widow who we rarely saw except to say "Guten Morgen"  or "Guten Abend"  as we were coming and going. 

I had a roomate from Mansfield and we were a perfect match. We attended classes 5 days a week, and had all afternoon to ourelves. Salzburgh is a gem of a city, and it had just been featured in the film "Sound of Music". I remeber taking Tess Warrick to see teh film just before I left. Then I took her again just days after I got back. At that second viewing, Tess had to keep "shushing" me and grabing my hand from pointing at all the familiar places I was calling out to her - annoying the viewers all around us.

Here are a few of my old photos - you may recognize some from the movie. The Castle up on the hill dominates the view and in the foreground are the lovely "Mirabell Gardens", where Julie Andrews danced up and down the steps with the VonTrapp kids. I walked through those gates dozens of times (wow, I was editing this late at night and left a line clear out of place) times on my way across the river to the ultra-picturesque "Old City". 

(Salzburgh was a huge asset and important fortress for the Roman empire because od all the local salt mines, whih was worth its weight in gold many centuries ago).

 

the last shot is a bunch of my classmates walking up the road to the Castle


09/27/25 10:48 PM #16251    

 

David Mitchell

Yes, I had a very privileged childhood.


09/28/25 11:49 AM #16252    

 

Michael McLeod

WOW, DAVE. TAKES ME BACK. I WAS DRAFTED BUT LUCKED OUT...and was trained as a clerk-typist and was sent to a nato hq in germany.

I was married at the time and therefore got to live off base. Found a basement apartment rented out to me in heidelberg and I was within a trolly car ride to the nato office and brought my wife over to germany and conceived my daughter over there.

all I ever had to do was to carry documents around the base where i worked shoulder to shoulder with canadians and krauts and the occasional french and italian soldiers. but of course we weren't really soldiers we were low level nato paper pushers. then i came back home and got my masters degree in journalism from osu on the gi bill. that opened up a great career. weirdly enough, scared as I was, being drafted was one of the best things that ever happened to me. To have grown up just a spit away from a great university and to have been drafted and wind up getting gi benefits including having my post graduate education paid fo on the gi bill -- and growing up just north of one of the greatest universities in the world, -man was I lucky when i look back on it all. 


09/28/25 11:51 AM #16253    

 

Michael McLeod

Jim: thanks for the reminder re: salt.


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