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03/27/25 08:43 AM #15312    

 

Michael McLeod

all this dirty old man talk  reminds me of pretty girls in those watterson uniforms. 


03/27/25 03:53 PM #15313    

 

Michael McLeod

thanks so much for the frost info mark!


03/27/25 05:30 PM #15314    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mark,

Did Frost actually have tuberculosis? If so, he should have moved to Colorado Springs. But it sounds like he probably misdiagnosed himself since he lived many years after that self diagnosis. Do you know the cause of his death?

J im


03/27/25 09:09 PM #15315    

 

Mark Schweickart

Jim -- Accprding to a Google search --"His attending physician, Dr. Roger B. Hickler, said Mr. Frost died shortly after complaining of severe chest pains and a shortness of breath. The cause of death was listed as "probably a pulmonary embolism," or blood clot in the lungs."


03/28/25 02:20 AM #15316    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Thanks, Mark,

Certainly could have been a pulmonary embolism or a heart attack. Very few other, and much rarer, things are are on the list of possibilities.

Jim

 


03/28/25 06:15 AM #15317    

 

Michael McLeod

mark, jim, et al: 

My favorite Robert Frost poem. I know it by heart. The way that it builds to the very last, resonant word is like the tinkling sound you hear when you click a crystal wineglass with your fingernail. It's about hope, I'd say. Simply and beautifully about hope, and faith, without once using either word. 

 

The Onset

Always the same, when on a fated night
At last the gathered snow lets down as white
As may be in dark woods, and with a song
It shall not make again all winter long
Of hissing on the yet uncovered ground,
I almost stumble looking up and round,
As one who overtaken by the end
Gives up his errand, and lets death descend
Upon him where he is, with nothing done
To evil, no important triumph won,
More than if life had never been begun.

Yet all the precedent is on my side:
I know that winter death has never tried
The earth but it has failed: the snow may heap
In long storms an undrifted four feet deep
As measured again maple, birch, and oak,
It cannot check the peeper's silver croak;
And I shall see the snow all go down hill
In water of a slender April rill
That flashes tail through last year's withered brake
And dead weeds, like a disappearing snake.
Nothing will be left white but here a birch,
And there a clump of houses with a church.


03/28/25 03:46 PM #15318    

 

David Mitchell

JUST FIRE PETE ! 


03/28/25 04:05 PM #15319    

 

David Mitchell

Dear 77-year-olds,

 

I must have missd the memo about how much paperwork we would all be dealing with regarding aging and our health.

As a teenager, I did get the memo about not pulling out in front of 50 mile per hour traffic. 

I did not say I headed it - I said a got it.


03/28/25 04:34 PM #15320    

 

David Mitchell

Story Time.

 

This is from a short chapter I just wrote in my book, but only includes a "lighter" part of the chapter - the first part is rather inappropriate for this Forum.

 

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MORTAR ATTACKS - A REGULAR VISITOR

 

On another of those occasions when they were aiming at the supply yard next to our hooch, we suffered no casualties, but we lost a valued member of the “Scout family”. 

 

There was a space outside our back door where we sometimes gathered in the evenings to relax and chat in the cooler evenings. When we returned from our mission one day, we found three ducks strutting around in this outdoor space and we fed them food crumbs and played with them. To our surprise and delight, they stayed – at least for a while.   

         

We created a small space just for them. We were able to salvage one half of a barrel-shaped engine shipping cannisters (from one of our little “Allison” Loach turbine engines). We sunk that into the ground and filled it with about fifteen inches of water. We also replanted a small nipa-palm tree – maybe five feet tall - and propped a large wooden box up on an angle for shelter from the rain. And someone managed to “requisition” a few small sections of very short garden fencing – supposedly from in front of the Officers Club. We never did find out who did that. We used the fencing to enclose the entire “complex” making about a 6 by 6 foot “home”.

 

Two of the ducks left in a few days but one of them stayed and stayed - maybe a month or two. We named him “Choy”. “Choy Duc” in Vietnamese means something like “Goddammit.”  Weren’t we clever?

 

We fed him and held him and played with him every day.

 

But on one of those mortar attacks – the ones dropping on that next door supply yard, Choy decided to relocate to a safer neighborhood. Our little buddy was gone. We never saw him again.

                        

 

    Me and our original three back-yard tenants (see lower right).  

 

The same backyard before new "tennants" ariived and we "real estate developers" got involved. Our Hooch back door to the right. The sandbags were back wall of our mortar "Bunker". The entire "Scout Platoon" - Eight of us - all  lived in that door on the right. 

 


03/28/25 05:40 PM #15321    

 

Mark Schweickart

Dave -- Great stuff. It's amazing that you have photos to go with your memories. I'm so glad you are working on your memoir. 


03/28/25 06:05 PM #15322    

 

David Mitchell

Thanks Mark,

Your comment is interesting in a way. I had a passion for photography from my early teens. I found this camera (a Canon FT-b SLR with 50mm lens) in my tiny ittle PX just days after I got to Vinh Long. And I am soo glad did!  There were two on the shelf and I grabbed one - went back hours later out of curiuosity and the other was gone. (years later in Denver had it stolen out of my car - replaced it with a beautiful Minolta - sold that - then later bought a Pentax)

I often took it with me in the cockpit for the day's mission. There were times when it got in the way on the floor of the cockpit, but often, I could record some interesting stuff. I only wish I had taken it every single day.

But we had soem guys who never carired or used a camera at all. And at a reunion I organized about 11 years ago at a hotel out here on Hilton Head, the difference beween those who had photos and those who didn't was noteworthy. Guys who didn't wished they had. I was so gratefull that I had carried a camera with me - even on limited days. And I was able to exchange about 30 of my own photos with one of the other guys who had his own unique selection of photos. 

The photos bring back memories (not all good) and help to verify some of the stories. 

 

More stories to come. 


03/29/25 09:09 AM #15323    

 

Michael McLeod

great stuff, dave. i second mark's opinion. let me know if I can help in any way..


03/29/25 12:45 PM #15324    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike McL.

Just been reading about a newly invasive lizard moving north in Florida - the giant tegu lizard. Grows up to five feet long. Probably not like the iguanas that were falling out of trees down there a few years ago. Bad news for bird eggs and other critters.

Hey, and I thought your gators were problem enough!

Jim

 


03/29/25 01:41 PM #15325    

 

Michael McLeod

hey jim

yep. it's a serious issue. i'm in the middle of the state and this region isn't a hotspot - yet. The issue with this is that this invasive species threatens indigenous ones. These critters - as you duly noted the damn things are the size of a dog - love eating eggs laid by other reptiles, thereby messing with the reproductive cycles. I have to forgive them for being so butt ugly, especially given that i have no room to talk in that department, but when it comes to the natural balance of the local eco system,yes, that's troubling, and not just for birds, as you noted, but more for fellow reptiles and any other ovaparous species. don't hold me to that spelling.


03/30/25 09:53 AM #15326    

 

John Jackson

Best sign yesterday at our local Tesla Takedown (which drew 600 protesters):

Porsche...    Fast

Ferrari...      Faster

Tesla...        Fascist

Runner-up in the best sign category:  "World's richest man hurts poorest kids".

 


03/30/25 12:06 PM #15327    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)



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03/30/25 12:20 PM #15328    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

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03/30/25 05:12 PM #15329    

Joseph Gentilini

David M. - I appreciate the photos and the stories behind them. What a treasure. Keep working on your book.  joe


03/30/25 09:03 PM #15330    

 

John Jackson

MM, Musk’s "throw the baby out with bathwater" approach  is so toxic that no amount of right wing whitewashing is going to be believed by anyone but the diehards.

Instead, I’ll call your attention to a Trump interview today in which he said, according to NBC News:

“President Donald Trump did not rule out the possibility of seeking a third term in the White House, which is prohibited by the Constitution under the 22nd Amendment, saying in an exclusive interview with NBC News that there were methods for doing so and clarifying that he was “not joking.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-third-term-white-house-methods-rcna198752

The reason Trump fought so hard to have Pete Hegseth approved as Secretary of Defense (despite his laughable qualifications) is to have an unprincipled lackey facilitate the replacement of top Pentagon generals who take their oath to defend the Constitution seriously with those who will do Trump’s bidding and put down any challenge to his staying in power past his expiration date.

Question: This is not the first time Trump has said he wants to stay in power after 2028.  Is there anyone out there who will defend this position?


03/30/25 09:06 PM #15331    

 

John Jackson

Late breaking coverage from The Borowitz Report:

Support Grows for Trump Serving Third Term in Prison

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Support is growing for the notion of Donald J. Trump serving a third term in prison, a new poll released on Sunday indicates.

The poll, conducted by the Opinion Research Institute at the University of Minnesota, reveals that many Americans would like to see Trump serve such a third term even before his second term in the White House is over.

Davis Logsdon, who supervised the survey, said that poll respondents favor exploring “any way to make this happen,” including “a constitutional amendment permitting him to serve several such terms.”


03/30/25 09:15 PM #15332    

 

David Mitchell

Thanks Joe (and Mark and Mike), 

Here's another quirky one.

 

HOOCH MATES – Not Like It Sounds

 

All our pilots - Officers and Warrant Officers - lived together in small plywood cottages we called “Hooches”. That was a slang word for the small thatched-roof Vietnamese homes all over the rural countryside. Our hooches were about twenty feet by forty feet with corrugated aluminum roofs and a screen door at either end of the building.  They were our full-time home. We slept in divided 8-foot by 8-foot cubicles – about eight to a hooch, on bunks with real mattresses and pillows. (This, in contrast to the two-story “Enlisted” barracks with large open floor dormitory style bedding – and cots with those crummy, soft, half-mattresses). 

 

Our cubicles had divided walls but no doors. It was sort of semi-private. We also had one larger space where they left out one of the dividing walls. We called it our “Club Room”, and we could all gather in there on a bench and two odd chairs. Each of the three platoons (Slicks, Guns, or Loaches slept together but the Guns and Slicks also shared one more extra hooch as they were mostly 12-man platoons compared to our 8-man “Scout” platoon. And finally, our CO and XO shared a separate and more spacious private hooch. This arrangement allowed our single “Scout” platoon to be a separate and much more tight-knit group. 

 

The airfield allowed groups of local Vietnamese to come on the post during the day to perform certain menial tasks. One of the largest of those groups were dozens of “Hooch mates” – the nickname for our housekeepers. These women lived in the (next door) city of Vinh Long and came in through the security gate each day to help us keep house. They did basic chores like sweeping out the floors, polishing our boots, and dumping out some light trash. I seem to recall they also took our bedding and uniforms to a laundry somewhere on the post. The large bulk of them were older women, dressed in rags with ugly (or missing) teeth. But our Scout platoon “hooch mate” was quite a bit younger and very cute. She was also very sweet. If I recall correctly, her name was Tranh Ti Cum Hoa. (“tron tee coom whaa”) We all liked her and treated her very well. We also sort of watched over her because we were conscious of her cute looks and the number of guys who would be around during the day who were not flying. Since we usually had several of us not flying each day, it was sort of an unwritten rule that we “baby sat” Tranh while she was on the property. I think she knew this and appreciated it. 

 

But one day, we were shocked to find her missing!

 

We were able to determine that she had been arrested and taken to jail by the MPs to the local civilian Police station in downtown Vinh Long. If I recall correctly, we learned this from the very guy who had her arrested. He was a (non-pilot) Captain who worked a desk job in our Admin. department at Squadron Headquarters - down at the other end of the airfield. He volunteered that it was his doing because she had stolen his Rolex watch out of his cubicle in the hooch just behind ours. He claimed one of the older hooch mates (her name was Bong – and we were not fond of her) had caught her in the act and he got the MPs to take Tranh into custody.

 

We were furious! 

 

About three of us were able to get one of our two Company jeeps and drove into downtown Vinh Long. After some heated “discussion” at the police station, we were able to bail her out and bring her back on the Post. Then we went back after the guy who had her arrested and made sure he realized his life would never be so comfortable again. After that day we made every attempt to make his life miserable.    (And I still think Bong took the watch herself.)

 

 

                    Tranh and I visiting by our Hooch back door. She is polishing some boots.          

 

 

                                                               *    

                                                                                

It so happened that this Captain was a regular at poker. Pay-day poker games were quite serious, and some large sums changed hands in those games that lasted into the night. I tried to sit in twice and had to get out quickly after losing sums that embarrassed me. I learned that this same Captain was accused of cheating one night and a confrontation occurred. As he was clearing the pot from the table with his hands, a nasty argument erupted. While they yelled at one another, one of them slipped out of the cubicle and went into to his own nearby cubicle to grab his .38 caliber revolver. As the yelling continued, he walked back in and reached across the table holding the pistol right up in the guy’s face. The Captain let go of the pile of chips. I believe that was the last time anyone would allow him to sit in on their poker games.

 

                                                            *

 

Forty-five years later, at a reunion I organized here at a hotel on Hilton Head, I heard another story about that same Captain. He was an “Admin” guy, with a desk job - that included typing the narrative write-ups for all awards and decorations for all three Troops in our Squadron. He was not a pilot and never flew a single combat mission, yet he apparently went home as the single most decorated officer in our squadron.

 

Hmmm?

 

 

 


03/31/25 09:10 AM #15333    

Joseph Gentilini

Thanks, David.  I am so glad you are writing about your experiences.  Good for the soul and of interest to others. These stories are not meant just for you, but need to be shared. I never went into the service because 1) my trigger finger has only 1 knucle (?) and asth ma and the Army and Navy didn't want me; and 2) I had a high draft number.  I probably would have had a nervous breakdown if I had been called up.  Thanks again.   joe


03/31/25 09:31 AM #15334    

 

Michael McLeod

 

thanks for the gov waste foxclip mm, however exagerrated it may have been. and great pic dave. very touching given the context, plus i do appreciate your effort to put the fox clip in context.

In other news I'll be very interested if anybody sees the disney live action remake of snow white and the seven dwarves.

lotta talk about how disney worked hard to update it to keep up with how much our cultural perceptions have changed in terms of male/female equity - last thing they wanna do is to kick up any feminist oriented fuss. So Of course they had to empower and modernize the character of snow white somehow.

Plus they didn't want to do anything to piss off short people.

You'll be hearing about it I'm sure. That's the long and, um,  the short of it. 

dang. for a stretch in my career i was a movie reviewer. best job i ever had. would love to write this one up.

 

 


03/31/25 12:00 PM #15335    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

https://x.com/ingrahamangle/status/1906549270787878926?s=46&t=6ZEf-6spHk0AlDclOXEIJg


03/31/25 12:29 PM #15336    

 

David Mitchell

M/M,

Article after article - too many to quote here - explaining how inaccurate your (Musk's) claims about Social Security are. 

Just google up a topic like "Are DOGE's Social Security claims inaccurate" or some variation of that - and you gert a deluge of info refuting Musk's misreadings of the data.

If you are going to rely in Fox News for your source, accuracy is going to be hard to come by.

 

 


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