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03/04/25 07:55 PM #15159    

 

Michael McLeod

I'm afraid that the only time I have tended to change my mind and at least be patient in processing opposing points of view has been in the line of duty.As a journalist you are obliged to quote different view points in any controversial story unless you are a columnist. Most "hard news" stories, as we call them, require the writer to try to keep their own view out of a clash of opinion situation and present both sides. I learned in spite of myself that there are at least two sides for every story. On the other hand I can't see how any Christian can condone Trump's attempted freezing of all foreign aid which would have doomed untold numbers of impoverished souls in africa and the middle east who are dependent on food and medicine we provide.I will be interested in seeing if the country has a conscience about that and folks rise up against the heartlessness and ineptness on high, especially given trump's huge following -which has always puzzled me - from conservative christians and evangelicals. Not holding my breath.

 

 


03/04/25 09:15 PM #15160    

 

John Jackson

Jim, speaking for myself, my posts are not directed at you or MM as I know your minds are made up.  But I suspect that there are still a few of our classmates out there who are on the fence. Or maybe there are a few out there who agree with me and find it useful to hear some talking points when they talk to friends or neighbors.

But your occasional posts on this subject all suggest that you think what is happening in our country now is of minor concern, and that what we’re seeing now is just one more chapter of “politics as usual”.  You’re telling people like me to get over it – nothing to see here.

I couldn’t disagree more strongly – what we’re seeing now is unlike anything that has occurred, under Republican or Democratic Presidents, in our lifetime.  We have a President for the very first time who lies almost every time he opens his mouth.  Some of his lies are minor and laughable (and the nation will easily survive them) but others, like the claim that the 2020 election was stolen, totally undermine our democratic system.

Ten days ago you made a jokey post posted about TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome - and your implication, again, was that what is happening now is no big deal.  I responded (see my post 15087, 2/23/25) with a list of seven Trump actions (the first being the pardon of the Jan. 6 rioters) that I (and most Americans, if you can believe opinion polls) disapprove strongly.  And I invited your comment on each of them which, not surprisingly, you ducked. 

I’d ask you to go back and look at these questions and make some response before you make any further attempts to suggest that what’s happening in our country now is no big deal.


03/05/25 11:54 AM #15161    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

John J.,

Doctors deal with a lot of stressful encounters with the tragedies that we see in our patients on a daily basis. Humor is occasionally used to deal with such stress, usually after the fact. It helps us to decompress. 

I am sorry that you are so offended by my "jokey", semi-medical comment. 

That does not mean I do not take certain things in the political arena seriously.

Nor does it mean I may not use humor in the future.

Jim

 

 


03/05/25 02:57 PM #15162    

 

Michael McLeod

Well, hmm, I'd have to say 'deranged" is an applicable word given our current situation as a country.

I think it will get quite the workout in the history books we won't be around to read.

In all seriousness: Whatever you think of him imagine generations to come trying to understand how a character like Trump became president. 

Though he's not my cup of tea I don't mean that, in this context,  as a slight to either him or anyone who voted for him.

He's quite the political outlier whichever way you see him.

 

 

 

 


03/05/25 08:24 PM #15163    

 

John Jackson

Jim, humor aside, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why the seven points I raised in my Feb. 23 post  don't concern you.  Maybe it's just me, but I think they should concern just about anyone. 

 

 


03/05/25 08:56 PM #15164    

 

John Jackson

Last night’s address, in addition to being the most off-the-charts partisan Presidential address ever to a joint session of Congress, was a virtual feast of lies.  The lie meter was ringing (DING DING DING...) almost without stop.

Choosing a favorite lie from the smorgasbord that Trump served up is really difficult, but my personal favorite is the lie that millions of people older than 150 years are collecting Social Security benefits, a lie that has been repeated non-stop by Trump and Musk over the past few weeks.

It’s true that Social Security Administration (SSA) has on its rolls 18 million or so people over the age of 100 because their software system has a technical glitch that causes some people with missing or incomplete birthdates to default to a date of more than 150 years ago.  But SSA also automatically cuts off benefits to recipients over the age of 115 (unless, presumably, they appeal).

More importantly, Social Security’s data base of recipients by age shows that there were only 89,104 recipients over the age of 99 as of December 2024   https://www.ssa.gov/oact/progdata/benefits/ra_age202412.html  and the Census Bureau lists 123,000 Americans over the age of 100, so 89,000 SS recipients out of a population of 123,000 seems very reasonable.

How is the claim that many millions of dead people 150 years or older are claiming SS benefits not a bold-faced lie?  And the smirks on J. D. Vance’s and Mike Johnson’s faces (and the standing ovation from Republican Senators and Representatives) when Trump told this lie makes them equally guilty.

Is there anybody out there who wants to take a stab at defending this?

 And can anyone have confidence in a President who willfully tells obvious lies over and over?


03/05/25 11:40 PM #15165    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

As usual I am interrupting the forum for a commercial of sorts.

Does anyne remember seing their first Cyber truck?  You know trhe Stainless steel ones that loked like, I don't know what. People I know who have friends that owned one hated it because it would get finger prints and such that were hard to remove.

Well I just saw my Fifth Cyber truck.  No not five original cyber trucks, but the fifth color for one.

   1.  Orignal Stainless steel;

   2.  A completely, except for the windows, Black one;

  3,.  A Two-tone one in a yellow green top and light green body;

  4.  An all medium Green body one; and today,

  5.  A medium Gray , or Grey one.

Now back to normalacy on the Forum.

Oh, and I still like Packards.

 


03/06/25 09:36 AM #15166    

 

Michael McLeod

packards!

seems to me I may have written here about them before so forgive me for my senile sentimental babbling if I have spoken here already of the hand me down cars my mother drove us around in, handed down from her father, an old school gp with his own office/examining room attached to his red brick home next to a catholic church and school on east main street. 

they were packards and they were tanks.

scritchy upholstery would be my only complaint. 

sounds like you mentioned them before but senile as I am I cannot recall it.

remind me what piqued your interest in packards?

sleek as hell. built like bullets out of old school, heavy duty thunking-car-doors metal (your ears popped when they shut you up inside that mass of macho old school original heavy-metal monster in whose thick,scritchy upholstery depths you sat with your legs sticking out straight, hardly even able to look out the windows so tiny you were by comparison. The metal the cars of that era were made of were the original heavy metal. It was metal so macho it scared the rust away. If a hurricane were to threaten my family home on east north broadway  instead of going down to the basement to wait out the howling winds above  it would have been safer running out of the house to huddle in that heavy metal monster in the driveway,

 


03/06/25 10:33 AM #15167    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Vindication for many now that we are approaching the 5 year anniversary of lockdowns, masks, shots, mandates and over-all fear-mongering. 

https://www.theohiopressnetwork.com/news/us/the-covid-era-smearing-and-resurrection-of-trump-nih-appointee-dr-jay-bhattacharya/article_0aec71f0-731e-57bf-8048-7c466a3c319c.html?utm_source=theohiopressnetwork.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnewsletter%2Foptimize%2Fdaily-headlines%2F%3F-dc%3D1741233633&utm_medium=email&utm_content=headline


03/06/25 11:56 AM #15168    

 

Michael McLeod

go ahead. speak truth to power. see what happens these days.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/06/opinion/trump-doge-fires-inspectors-general.html

 


03/06/25 03:21 PM #15169    

 

David Mitchell

Mary Margaret,

I found your articles on Dr. Jay Bhattacharya quite intersting. I too had inklings that he was unfairly being shut down by other "voices" in the Covid arguments back at the time. It caught my attention back then because it reminded me so much of a situation my Dad found himself involved in at OSU medical school back in the '60s. 

It revolved around the sudden deaths of a number of women around the country, and Dad was among those who were tracing it back to a new birth control pill. It so happened that 3 or 4 OSU nurses were among the victims and all in a short span of time. One of those cases was a nurse who collapsed and died in the operating room while assisting in surgery. It seems all of the deaths had been some sort of break down in the abdominal system - a form of sudden blood clotting if I recall. 

The Medical faculty called one of their big meetings to discuss the situation - with a larger than normal turnout among the medical staff. It so happemns Dad was the head of a department (by then about 15 or 20 years on staff), and the head of the entire faculty was a Dr. "M"  (whose name I won't mention) who had not liked my dad since their graduation from Med School, and had taken steps to discredit dad on a few other matters. Dad graduated Med School 3 years younger than the rest of his OSU class and this guy resented him for it.

Anyway, at the crowded meeting Dad tried to present studies which would have exposed negative findings on this new "pill". The faculty head physician, that same Dr. "M" eventually grabbed the microphone from dad and cut off the meeting - causing a loud outbreak among the attending faculty physicians. I seem to recall dad came home in quite an emotional state that evening. And he related what happened that day.

Some time later (I forget how long) my Dad's own younger partner - Dr. Herb Bronstein (who Dad considerd a genius, and had recruited him into his "practice" straight our of his Med school classes) made a presentation that further prooved the negative info in Dad's first attempt. Apparetnly, this new evidnece was already being echoed around the country and Dr. "M" could not refute it without looking suspicious. In fact, it was disoverd later that Dr. "M" owned stock in a drug company that was working on a rival birth control pill. I beleive he was asked to step down by the Med School board of directors.

I offer this story as an example of how beleivable your articles are, but I am still deeply puzzled by a few questions about the Covid info.

 

1) What ever happen to the very credible study by a Canadian University (Univ. of Saskatchewan, I beleive), which traced the first 1800 (or 1900?) cases of Covid to residents who lived within a few blocks of the Wuhan market?

2) Have you ever personally seen one of these typical "Live Markets" in any oriental city? I'm suure you would find them quite "eye opening" to say the least.

3) Are the rumors true that Dr. Bhattacharya is a rather contrarian personality and has often chosen to go against the grain with his fellow faculty members? (nothing wrong with that but,,,,)

4) What is your intepretation of the 3 to 1 ratio of survivors who got the Covid jab vs. those who didn't and died? 

On a personal level, I am curious to know how you feel about us being forced back in the "50s to line up in grade school, while a Doctor gave us Polio shots? 

 

 


03/06/25 09:29 PM #15170    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Walls, Woofers, Water and Wolves: Part One

Some say that all politics are local. 

I'll let you all continue to discuss, argue and debate what is happening on a national and international scene and see if minds end up being changed.

As for me, the local skirmishes are quite interesting to watch and may be more acutely affecting daily life here in Colorado Springs.

This past year a large, open air venue, the Ford Amphitheatre, was completed and began operations in the far north end of our city, just off of Interstate 25 highway. Beautiful in design and seating that faces the sunsets over Pikes Peak and the Rampart Range it attracts many types of musical acts. One could compare it to Red Rocks just south of Denver. But Red Rocks is surrounded by - you guessed it - walls of red rocks.

Unfortunately, to its east are neighborhoods of many homes, mostly quite expensive, where people wanted to live to get away from the crowds and the noise of the city.

You can see where this is going.

Despite some effort (various outdoor "walls") to dampen the booms of rock bands and the massive amount of traffic created during concerts, the decibels are still reverberating to nighttime levels that are unacceptable. As this year's concert season looms, new dampening measures are going to be installed but the results remain to be seen (or rather heard). Still, the traffic on the side streets will be horrendous. Time will tell...!

Part Two to come later.

Jim

 

 


03/07/25 08:54 AM #15171    

 

Michael McLeod

Jim.

I read your post complaining about loud music and I was shocked. I always took you for a regular heavy metal head-banger. 

Now, speaking of milder manners: When I was in the army working at a nato headquarters and then later when I was writing for newspapers I always loved having canadian co-workers. Don't want to oversimplify but all the canadian friends I remember - and there are plenty of them down here in florida -- were just so genuinely cordial and polite and fun and yes mild-mannered.

I hereby propose a toast to the prez for finding a way to piss off some of the nicest folks I have ever known with this new tarriff on canadian goods being sold in the u.s.a. It reminds me of the infamous and extremely dark Henry Kissinger quote:

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

Mary Margaret: 

I followed that story with interest and was happy to be reminded of it. People who speak truth to power are high on my list of heroes.  

Dave:

Thanks so much for the story about your dad.Wish I had been around up there to write a  profile of him. Your homage to his courageousness reminded me of how I always felt honored to write about folks who stood up for the truth. My dentist had his torture chamber in the beggs building. 

And in general: Yes,as noted, Dr. B has a rep for going against the grain. This is gonna make for some interesting stories. I'd love to have the medical beat for the next few years.

 

 

 

 


03/07/25 02:20 PM #15172    

 

David Mitchell

Sorry to have made such a long story about my dad. I was merely trying to establish a frame of mind from which to answer M/Ms post.

(and you've all gathered by now tha Long Winded-ness is one of my calling cards)

 

But it reminds me of many "kitchen table" stories straight from the mouth of an "insider" in the OSU Medical faculty back in the '50s and 60's.

But most of the stories were from Dad's private practice, downtown in the Beggs Bulding, overlooking the Statehouse. Stories of well known Columbus citizens who Dad could not name, to a couple of Catholic Bishops, dozens of Catholic priests, and scores of Nuns, all of whom Dad treated for allergies, Hay fever, Asthma or Dermatology isues. (and mostly free of charge - which some of them took advantqage of in rather ungrateful ways). 

Of course, they came to Dad because he was a Catholic Doctor

The nuns would often bring gifts (especially near Christmas) in lieu of payments. The gifts ranged from sensible and useful (handicrafts - weaving - linens - needle point, etc.). And baked goods all year long - usually very welcome items. But some of the gifts were more of the exotic and absurd. One gift was an 18-inch long huge copper spoon. It had no practical use. It was from one of their own foreign Sisters somewhere in Africa. It was heavy, huge, and a bit on the ridiculous side and we laughed and made jokes about is as a family for years.

"Allergy" had not been a separate specialty until about the '30s (I think). There had been studies on Hay Fever going back to the 1800s. But in 1937, my Dad's older brother, Dr. John Mitchell, took my Aunt Norma (his wife) to England to study under the doctor who was sort of collecting and cataloguing all the separate studies on "Allergies". They spent a year at Old St. Mary's University Hospital in downtown London, gaining knowledge on the subject of "Allergies" .

They returned on a boat in 1938 and uncle John began diseminating what he had learned to a small group of friends at OSU Hospital - including his younger brother - my Dad. That same group began to take positions in other universities and thus the spread of Allegies as a "practice" got it's legs. If I recall correctly, one went to Duquesne University in Pittsburgh, one went to St. Louis University, one went to LSU (I think I met him years later), and one went to "that little school up north". That one stayed in close touch and would excahnge football tickets tickets every year so they would be Uncle John's guests one year in Columbus, and would host Uncle John and Aunt Norma in Ann Arbor the other year.   

I beleive Uncle John might be credited with starting the American practice now known as Allergist, but he was not very attacted to an administrative role and turned the "Department Head" role over to someone else. But then his litle brother Bill (my dad) came back from his B-29 joy ride in "the Pacific" in 1945 and became the head of the new "Allergy Department" at OSU (wher he had played in the construction of the "Horsehoe" as an 11 year old kid in 1922). I think Dad held the position for about 45 years - which granted me free tickets to ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING in the way of  tickets to football, baketball (those Lucas and Havlicek yeras), baseball, track and field - (Glen Davis - the most exciting athlete I ever watched - won 400 meter hurdle gold at Melbourne 1956 and Rome in 1960), swim meets, AND famous speakers (Dr. Tom Dooley III, Werner Von Braun, etc)   

Yes, it was a very priviledged  (and interesting) childhood in many ways.

To be continued..........


03/07/25 03:18 PM #15173    

 

Michael McLeod

Dave! The Beggs Building! Brings back memories. Not good ones. My dentist had his torture chamber set up there when I was a kid. His name was - I am not making this up - Dr. Sigafoose. 


03/07/25 03:47 PM #15174    

 

David Mitchell

Mike,

Wow! I remember that name!  A name you could hardly forget once you heard it.

Do you remember Roy or Mary - the two Black (uniformed - with white gloves) elevator operators? I think they operated the elevator from the beginning of time. 


03/07/25 05:42 PM #15175    

Joseph Gentilini

I had allergies since I was a small child but was so scared of having it tested because 'it would hurt.'  I finally broke down in the late 70s and went to see Dr. Mitchell, Dave's father and took shots for several years. He was a kind man as I remember.  Thanks for the story, Dave. I learned a lot from that!

Regarding the Beggs building - I had to go there often when i was in grade school as I would develop 'quincy' which was an abcess in the scar tissue from my tonsils which were taken out years before.  The abcess had to be lanced and it was not fun.  I would get these abcesses every year for numerous years. I saw a Dr. Miller who was my ENT doc -  also very kind because when he was a small boy, he also had to deal with the same thing when he was a child.  They don't call it quincy any more, I don't think. I never had them as an adult, thank God!

Joe


03/07/25 09:26 PM #15176    

 

David Mitchell

Joe,

Thanks for the compliment of my Dad. I wonder how many classmates were patients of Dad?  I think there were several. Dad was a kindly sort to most people - but not if you were Bishop Ready, Father Foley, or several other priests at the diocesan offices that he disagreed with (and throw in some of the ranking members of OSU Med school). He could be quite outspoken in certain cases.

I can think of a few others besides you - I know Bonnie Jonas was one of his favorite patients and became known as "Madame Butterfly" by his office staff after my story about her big "Butterfly" hairpin in my eye at play practice (Price and Pedjudice).

Also I think Steve Hodges was another - and maybe Kevin Cull and Tom Litzinger?  I cannot remember some of the others very well. 

--------------------

I won't go into detail but Dad and Dr. Donley really butted heads with Father Foley over some parish matters. Dad and Dr. Donley were No.1 and 2 financial donors to Our Lady of Peace and they really went at him on one memorable occasion when he was shaming some of the parish's more modest contributors to get them to "do better". I remembr Dad was fuming about it one night at dinner. Also on that thought - Jerry Cox's mom, Stella, and Tom Litzinger's mom, Kay, (and few others) were both very vocal critics of Fr. Foley. 

 


03/08/25 12:23 AM #15177    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Joe G.,

I'm old school enough that I still call it a quinsy, although a better medical term is "peritonsillsar  abscess". But then, I still think using a stethescope in some cases is more cost effective than an echocardiogram.

Jim

 

 

 


03/08/25 07:58 AM #15178    

 

Michael McLeod

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/08/us/politics/trump-third-term-gaza-contradictions.html

 


03/08/25 09:28 AM #15179    

 

Michael McLeod

Whoa.Quinsy. I remember being puzzled when I heard my grandfather, Dr. Ernest Victor Reutinger, use that word. And when I was young I remember playing with a hand me down stethescope of his. I remember it had a laminated little circular cutout from a calendar or something that he must have slipped into it for some reason or other, maybe to mute the sound to protect his ears. I began using it to diagnose several family members, inventing diseases and prescribing remedies, such as "drink more orange juice."  Unfortunately I had no echocardiogram at my disposal. 


03/08/25 02:47 PM #15180    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

Not to start a major fight between classmates,but...

I was just on Ebay playing around and came across something of interest for many, okay a few, of our classmates.  Once on Ebay, go to where it says "All Categories" and select the drop down.  Go to "Coins' and select it for a category.  Then in the desccription box type in "Columbus Ohio."  Near the top of the auction listings you will find an item ending on Sunday, at 7:27 PM.  It is a "Columbus, Ohio, Beggs Building (Building) " Key Fob made of metal. 

Now please leave your guns and knives behind when you start fighting over this treasure.


03/08/25 03:40 PM #15181    

 

David Mitchell

I wanted to add a few more notes about my Uncle John. He had an interesting life.

(Had this written out an lost it all a few minutes ago - humor me.)

 

1) Uncle John was a student in a surgery class back in OSU Med school in the late '20s or early '30s when he got a prick in his finger that passed through his glove. It got infected (something like gangrene) and he had to have that arm amputated above his elbow - his dominate arm - so he had to learn to write with his left hand. Most doctors are famous for bad handwrriting. It was said that he learned to wrrite beautifully at first, then it all went to hell and became unreadable. While recovering he fell in love with his nurse, dropped his engagement to another woman, and married that nurse - my Aunt Norma - a wonderful aunt!

2) When he finished that year in England (1938), he and Aunt Norma got on a boat in South Hampton to come home. The boat had started in norhtern Germany (I think Bremerhaven) and was already carrying many passengers from Germany. They noticed a large number of German Jews, all dressed and bejewelled in exptremely expensive attire. And these same Jews would not mix with, or engage any of the other passengers - staying noticably seperate in the ship's public spaces, espeacilly the dining rooms.

I should point out that Uncle John was an early "denier" about the news from Nazi Germany in those days. He and Dad disagreed strongly on this and argued about it.  

When the boat reached half way across the Atlantic - past the "point of no return", these German Jews opened up and began mixing with the other ppassengers, and sharing their stories. What Uncle John heard shocked him. It changed his thinking completely. And later, he calculated that this may have been one of the last boats with Jewish passengerss to freely leave Germany. And Aunt Norma figured they were wearing every bit of jewelry they owned.

 

Below  is an intersting photo of my Uncle John and Aunt Norma on a later trip to Europe - with some other guy you might recognize who they met in Rome. My apologies if I posted this before - my memory is fuzzy these days.

 

 


03/08/25 05:47 PM #15182    

Joseph Gentilini

David M - love you stories!  joe


03/08/25 08:24 PM #15183    

 

David Mitchell

Thanks Joe. 

BTW, I've finally started my book, and I owe you a free copy - if and when I ever finish it.


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