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03/29/24 10:51 AM #13717    

 

Nina Osborn (Rossi)

This is National Recognition Day for Vietnam Veterans and those that did not come home. Prayers for all of our classmates who served in that war and all of those who lost loved ones. 

Have blessed Easter. 


03/29/24 11:47 AM #13718    

 

Michael Boulware

I have the utmost respect for Mary Margaret, but I simply can't ignore her post. Please do not try to paint Trump as a do-gooder. He despises NATO. He admires despots like Putin, Xi, Kim Jong-Un, and Erdogan. He has not respected his marrige vows to any of his many wives. He is extremely selfish and most people that were involved in" STOP THE STEAL" are in trouble.

He tried to overthrow our government, he attempted to steal votes, He spent less time in the White House than any other president, He lost or replaced more cabinet members and advisors than any other president. Most importantly; he is a huge security risk. He is in financial trouble. I do not trust him to handle Top Secret documents. 

I know he needs money. Maybe he should have his wife pose nude, sell bibles, or try to sell shoes. OOPS! That has already been attempted.


03/29/24 11:50 AM #13719    

Joseph Gentilini

Regarding MM's #13615 about DT going to a wake while the Democratic past and present presidents have a campaign fundraiser - this assumes DT went out of concern for the officer's family.  I don't believe he has an ounce of compassion - it was all a political stunt.  joe


03/29/24 11:51 AM #13720    

Joseph Gentilini

#13715 and not #13615.  joe


03/29/24 01:15 PM #13721    

 

David Mitchell

Imagine, using a cop's funeral as a political stunt.

At least none of those other four used the opportunity to threaten a judges daughter.


03/29/24 01:18 PM #13722    

 

David Mitchell

And for those unaware, Nina's brother was among those who served in Vietnam.


03/29/24 05:32 PM #13723    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

FYI.....Trump was invited to attend the funeral. NY Gov. Hochul on the other hand showed up uninvited and was asked to leave. 


03/29/24 06:09 PM #13724    

Joseph Gentilini

 MM - it still doesn't change my opinion in the matter.  May you and yours have a Blessed Triduum.  joe


03/29/24 06:17 PM #13725    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Meanwhile, Mike B. we have a current President whom everyone knows is not in charge. So who is actually running our nation? Shouldn't we know? Do you really believe that the current administration is following the framework of our Constitution? Does our national debt not concern you? Did you know that the most recent  appropriations bill had 6,000 earmarks totaling a hallf a trillion dollars?  Do you not worry why the Afghanistan debacle was allowed to happen? Who has all of the billions of dollars worth of military weapons we left behind? Shouldn't we care? Do you believe allowing 8 million illegal. unvetted people from over 160 countries in just 3 years is not a safety, economic, educational and social concern?  Do you have any issue at all with this: (which the Biden agenda has inflicted on all taxpaying American citizens).

'What if, instead of taxing you, the government gave you $1400 cash every month? What if it paid your rent (up to $9000/mo)? And bought your groceries? And paid for a maid and laundry service? What if it paid for your air travel? What if it offered free baby sitters, free daycare and preschool? What if they paid for all your healthcare, including hospitals and dentists?' Don't believe me?....check it out:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/look-crazy-list-things-illegal-immigrants-get-free/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/nov/6/feds-paid-room-service-laundry-and-babysitters-ill/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-09/nyc-migrants-how-nyc-is-finding-housing-and-what-it-costs?embedded-checkout=true


03/29/24 06:28 PM #13726    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Thank you, Joe. I apologize for continuing to engage in politics here, but I will pause it for now so as to focus on this most holy weekend. "Let us rejoice." Psalm: 118    


03/29/24 07:38 PM #13727    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Roads: A Metaphor for Life

Taking an "off ramp" from politics:

As promised (or threatened) in Post #13692, this post is about what roads mean to us in songs, pictures and life itself.

And, by the way, we have a "Roads Scholar" in our class - one Joe McCarthy who yearly makes that long trip along Interstate 80 or Interstate 70 from California to Ohio and gives us reports on this Forum of interesing landmarks, eating establishments and events he encounters along the highways. Those are truly road trips, Joe, and I envy them!

On those recent snowy days here in Colorado, I have been looking through several galleries of my past photos and found that many have been dedicated to roads. Some are nice paved highways and byways, others are less so and there are those "roads less traveled " that I was more daring to traverse when I was younger.

Roads have played a large role in television, song, poetry, imagination and other aspects of our lives, but perhaps we were not always aware of those roles.Remeber Buz and Tod (George Maharis and Martin Milner) looking for adventure as they cruised their Corvette along "Route 66" in the early 1960's? Or Charles Kuralt's "On the Road" series in the late 60's and early 70's? Of course Dorothy following that Yellow Brick Road! And that catchy jingle in the 70"s tire commercial using an old idiom "the name that's known is Firestone "where the rubber meets the road"?

How about singing groups such as "The Highway Men" and "Highway 101"? There are plenty of songs in which roads play a predominant theme. Willie Nelson was "On the Road Again", John Denver sung of "Country Roads Take Me Home", and being "lost and alone on some forgotten highway" in the song "Sweet Surrender". Lee Greenwood was "drifting down a dusty, Dixie road" in the song "Dixie Road" (please, no political comments, just appreciate the alliteration and know that song was about a lost love!). 

So, here are a few pictures of some of my more "favorite roads less traveled":

 

 

But they all end in the same place - HOME!

What are your favorite memories of roads, songs or movies about roads or road trips you have taken?

Jim

 

 


03/29/24 07:43 PM #13728    

Joseph Gentilini

Beautiful pictures, Jim.  Thanks.  Have a wonderful Easter Season. joe


03/29/24 07:46 PM #13729    

Joseph Gentilini

Michael B - I agree with you totally.  By the way, trump is actually selling bibles for $59.99!  Probably has his autograph.  He compared himself to Jesus a few days ago.  One priest I know thinks he is the anti-Christ and I agree with him.  joe


03/29/24 07:51 PM #13730    

 

Michael Boulware

Mary Margaret,

We are way too old to change each other's minds; but I must respond. The national debt increased a lot more under Trump than Biden. Afghanistan was started by G.W. and Biden got us out of the longest and most unwinable war in our history. I thank him. Trump made history by being the only president impeachred two times!!!! He was not a good president and he is not a good man.

Who would you pefer to babysit your grandaughter; Biden or Trump?

 


03/29/24 09:23 PM #13731    

 

David Mitchell

I was unaware that Trump had been invited to the policemans funeral. But I see nothing wrong about the other 4 attending their own event. I don't have to like them, I just think they were doing nothing wrong.

 

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Jim,

Why do I hear John Denver's voice when I look at your photos? They bring back some sweet memories of listening to him wow the audience at Red Rocks two years in a row. That seems like ancient history now.


03/29/24 09:26 PM #13732    

 

John Jackson

Over the past eight years Trump has said or done hundreds (thousands?) of things that would have disqualified any previous Presidential candidate, Republican or Democrat.  It doesn’t bode well for the future of our country (our democracy) that a significant number of Americans are OK with that.


03/30/24 01:21 AM #13733    

 

David Mitchell

Nina's reminder (yesterday) of a day I didn't even know existed gives me an excuse for a story I had been saving for a few years. (and so much difficuly with my 10 year old PowerBook that I'm now a day late)

I would like to share a wild episode from my second tour in Vinh Long that I refer to as the "second scariest" incidence I ever experienced during those 18 months - and the wildest, most confusing 5 or 6 minutes of my life!

If you can recall that in my first year I flew that high risk, low-level search as part of the so-called "Hunter-Killer" teams. I had been through some traumatic days, but always dealing with any fear with heavy doses of sarcasm and denial. We just laughed everything off. (almost everything) By extending our tours from12 to18 months we were granted a 30 day leave (free of charged leave - in other words, "paid" time off) and a flight home and back again. I spent nine of those 30 days skiing in Colorado with two of my buddies who were going home at the same time. My parents were not thrilled.

But I was caught completely unprepared for the onset of panic attacks and what we came to call "day-mares". I was so terrified to go back that I actually lied to my parents and stayed home two days later than the "orders" I had been granted. When I finally arrived back at Travis AFB (north of San Francisco - our point of departure), I was almost arrested by MPs for being AWOL. (that is another story)

So I arrived back at my unit and had to check in with my (new) CO, a Major Johnston - about 30, with a nervous presence and a borish, loud, controlling voice. This guy could drink like a fish and smoked like a chimney! He always had a funnier joke, a more interesting story, or the last word. We were a bit suspicious of him.

 As I sat, facing him across his desk, I got straight to what was eating at me. "Sir, I can't take this anymore!  I can't fly the "Scout" mission (the low-level "Loach" portion of the mission) anymore. Isn't there something else less risky I can fly in the mission?  Major Johnston blew a big puff of smoke and said, "Well, we could use another co-pilot in the C&C ("Command & Control").

Great! I thought - I'll be up at 500 feet - safe and easy. 

I had forgotten one point - when one of the "Loaches" gets shot down, C&C has to go down and get them.

 

The "C&C" (Command & Control) was the huey at 500 feet, above the Loaches, and below the Cobra gunships - guiding, directing, commanding the mission, and flown by the "AMC" (Air Mission Commander). The AMC rotated every three days - the CO, the XO, and the Operations Officer (a Major and two senior, experienced Captains), with a random huey pilot who flew as their co-pilot. I jumped at his offer and became one of the more regular C&C co-pilots - but flying with all three of them on more days than just each 3rd day. 

Fast forward to a day in which I am Major Johnston's co-pilot, and we are flying above two of my best buddies in my former "Scout" platoon - Bob Tow, and Jack Abbott (who's funeral I spoke at in Roanoke 2 years a go).

I am at the stick (flying the aircraft) in the left seat and Major Johnston, in the right seat is out of his seat harness, turned around, kneeling up in his seat backwards, his "chicken plate" removed, smoking a cigarette, and jawing with our "backseat" (a local ground commander sitting in our back seat, hooked up to a radio headset so he can hear us and also talk with his own troops on the ground who we are covering.) Everything Major Johnston is doing is either against the regs or just plain annoying and interfering with me trying to fly and watch the "Scouts" circling below.

 Suddenly Bob Tow gets shot down!  He calls out over the air", May Day - May Day - May Day. One Seven's goin' down."

I yank the (Cyclic) stick over hard right and forward and begin a steep corkscrew right hand dive - too steep at first, and I make quick correction to avoid an "overspeed" and a potentially too steep dive. As we dropped, I feel the fear engulfing me, almost like, as I descend, I fly deeper into fear and panic. As we came to a hover at the bottom of our descent, I think I was in some form of a state of shock. I am in complete calm now and everything is in slow motion. I feel nothing. All the radio sound seems through a distant muffled tunnel. I'm probably not really fully conscious.

We come to a hover about 3 feet off the ground, right behind Bob's ship, which is now partially in flames. (What we don't see right away is that Bob and his "observer" are out of their ship.)

Picture, if you can, sitting in the left front seat of a huey.

To your direct left about 80 yards in a woodline are a couple or three AK-47s firing at you in sporatic bursts. You turn to take one long (calm, slow motion) glance and watch the tracers coming at you (and high - always too high when they are at a dsitance) Your left door gunner is firing his M-60 door gun and you hear the clinking of spent brass shells bouncing on the floor. Over above that tree line - the source of fire, your own pair of Cobra gunships are diving on the target, firing their tubes of 2.75mm rockets and their nose turret minnie-guns which put out a deafening roar as they fire at 6,000 rounds per minute. (lots of loud noise all around you - but you are still "frozen"). 

And now the fun part. 

In your right seat, your commanding officer and AMC of the day, Major Johnston is going berserk!  As he tries to re-fit his "chicken plate" and get turned around and seated in his seat he starts screaming as he burns himself in his crotch with his cigarette. He is now moaning out loud, incoherantly in fear, and shaking around in his seat, causing me to be even more frightened than I already was. He went on and on, yelling and moaning and shaking for several minutes

* Meanwhile, Jack Abbott, the other Loach pilot, has landed his ship off to your left side (towards the oncoming  AK-47 fire) and pulls the single most crazy, ridiculously brave stunt I have ever seen!  He lands and gets out of his cockpit, runs over, (still under fire) to Bob's ship, and in an attempt to rescue Bob and his "Observer", sticks his face right into the burning cockpit !  

But they are aready out of the cockpit.

The pilot, Bob Tow is in fact, standing upright about 20 feet behind our right (open) door. He has either a cut bleeding over one eye, or a clump of mud (I can't recall), and he is stumbing like a drunk in a tight circle, he is dazed.

My right door gunner yells out over the intercom, "I can't get Mister Tow on board, sir! ("Mister" the proper title for a Warrant Officer - yes I know it sounds awkward). Just then a single round of ammunition from the burning ship in front of us "cooks off" from the ammo feed belt and pings gently off my windsheid, causing me to blink and "awaken" from my state of shock. And I yell back at my right door gunner, "Well grab him by the shirt collar and pull him on board GodDammit". Which he did.

Bob gets on board and the door gunner gives him his helmet so I can talk to Bob on the intercom. He is yelling "He ran that way." and points to our right. His observer (first day in the air for him) got out and ran off away from the source of fire. We hovered painstakingly slowly back and forth one row of rice paddys at a time, until about third or fourth row of dike lines and he is huddling behind one of those dike lines. He jumps up, gets on board and we begin to climb out.  

As we are gaining airspeed and altitude, I look back at Bob and he gives me a great smile and a "thumbs up". I gripped my cyclic stick bewteen my knees to free my right hand and and shook my raised fist with a loud war hoop. I'd swear I felt a huge weight slipping away from my neck as we climbed out. I recall thinking that was an hour or so. But in a more relaxed moment later, I figure it was 5 or 6 minutes - maybe 8 or 10 at the very most

Major Johnston slumped back in his seat and remained silent all the way back to the airfield at Vinh Long. I have a weird epilogue about Major Johnston to follow later. And onother bizarre chapter in Jack's life too. 

 

The guy on our right is my late friend Jack Abbott. Out behind our "Scout" hooch, and our "mortar bunker" to your right. 

 


03/30/24 09:27 AM #13734    

Joseph Gentilini

David M - your story and memory of the Vietnam war was well written!  I felt only a small fear in reading it - what you went through was pure hell.  Thanks for sharing your experience.  joe


03/30/24 10:26 AM #13735    

 

Mark Schweickart

Dave -- Another example of why you should be writing your memoir. I continue to be in awe of how detailed your memory is, and how poignantly you can put your experiences into words. Great job. 


03/30/24 03:55 PM #13736    

 

David Mitchell

Thank guys. This may sound weird but it didn't seem like we went "through hell".  It seemed like an adventure, with hundreds of hours of sheer boredom punctuated by brief moments of stark raving terror. As I said, we exercised copious* amounts of sarcasm and denial - and drew very close through it all. It wasn't until I was back home and away from it all that the problems surfaced.

I think I may have told you of our nightly gatherings in our hooch (all 8 "Scout" pilots in one hooch - see below). We would pop open some cans of beer or pop and share the stories of that day. Some days nothing hapened at all. If something happened, that guy would share his story with all of us - those who flew that day, and those who didn't. We told our stories in a self-deprecating sense of humor - like, "How scared I was", or, "How stupid I was", and the rest of us would embellish the story and mock the guy and we all just howlled. There were many boring days when nothing happened. So we watched Laugh In or Star Wars or day-old Chicago Cubs games - religiously - from the studios at AFVN in Saigon - on our 12 inch TV - and laughed.

When somebody had been knocked down that day it would get quit silly. When we came in one afternoon at the end of the day and heard that one of the Loach pilots in our sister Troop (Company) had been shot down three times in one day, we thought that was the funniest thing we had ever heard. We laughed and joked and drank about that for an hour or so. "What was he - some sort of slow learner?" 

 (what kind of mind set would it take to get back in another cockpit again - and again?)

(* copious = one of Tom Litzinger's favorite words)

Below - One of our evening gatherings - I think 12 or 13 "shoot-downs" in this photo alone. Over my 18 months, the 14 or 16 guys passing through this platoon were shot down 24 or 27 times - I've lost track. Our two sister Troops had even worse track records, including a few fatalities - we had none! 

Does the kid in the bottom center look familiar ?


03/30/24 04:05 PM #13737    

 

John Maxwell

Boy, in three sentences at random on this site, what I read amounted to too much bullshit. Must be havin' an 'lection I reckon. Woodwork squeeks and out come the freaks.

03/30/24 04:13 PM #13738    

Lawrence Foster

This used to be a nice forum to talk with folks and to share memories as well as opinions.  But due to one particular individual's pompous and bombastic posts (which are his right to do so) he has caused the deterioraton of a pleasant environment in which to communicate.  Perhaps he should be the one apologizing.

"So long, and thanks for all the fish!"   


03/30/24 10:31 PM #13739    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

Jim I only wished I could take pictures like you have done.

The Roads Scholar wants to talk about my first, solitary, trip on Route 50.  I had been living in California about 8 years when i was promoted., or maybe dmoted, to a management position in the Lehigh Valley of Pensylvania.  Leaving my wife behind to sell our house, I headed East.  I startd on I-80 until Routr 50 split off at Sacramento.  I took Route 50 because I planned to stop and say good by to friends in Lake Tahoe.  A short side, the friends were classmates and friends of my Mother-In-Law who had purchased a lot and built a home before retiring to Lake Tahoe.  After seeing them I continuied on Route 50 through Carson City.  Then onto Fallon, where there is a large Air Base.  Next a bunch of small, sorry I blinked and missed, towns.  After this point I received my education in driving that I have never forgotten.  Next town was Ely, Nevada, billed as the Lonely city and the Loneliest road in America (look it up).  Continued East on Route 50 thinking I would get gas at the next place.  I drove through numerous Indian Reservations, Past many prison facilities, up and down mountains and realized I was about out of fuel.  Up ahead was a small town, or something, that advertised fuel.  I pulled off Route 50 and drove about 8 miles and there it was.  A gas station, post office, grocery, and bar/restaurant.  I made it on fumes.  But what was that lady doing at the pump?  She was cloing for the night, but re-opened so that I could fill up; lesson learned.  When I was done I asked her what was the quickest way back to Route 50 East.  She told me to turn around and drive three miles till I saw a certain landmark.  At that point I was supposed to turn right aqnd cross the cattle gate and continue on the dirt road till I saw Route 50.  

Lesson.  From that day forward, whenever, and I mean WHENEVER, the gas guge gets to the halfway point, get FUEL.

 

 


03/31/24 08:49 AM #13740    

 

Michael McLeod

Happy Easter all.

It's a beautiful day in Orlando and I'll soon be heading out for a get-together with the love of my life. Wish you all could meet her. She's a Montessori grade school teacher, which qualifies her nicely to handle somebody at my emotional and intellectual level. 

Again, Happy Easter to all.

And Dave: you're a better storyteller than I'll ever be.

 

 


03/31/24 10:32 AM #13741    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)


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