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03/24/22 11:31 PM #10872    

Theresa Zeyen (Kucsma)

It is my understanding that all the changes to the churches are still in the planning stage. It is part of a project called Real Presence Real Future that has been going on for over a year. Our former bishop, Bishop Brennan, started it through an organization called the Catholic Leadership Institute. This institute has done this sort of reorganization in other dioceses. The changes in those other dioceses saw a 5%-7% decline in attendance and participation. 

This last set of models is not supposed to be final, but I have a feeling that they are narrowing down to what will actually happen. The process calls for input on this set of models just like we gave input on the first set of models. This is in response to the fact that we will be very short of parish priests by 2030.  The first set of models seemed to be based on data generated by average mass attendance, offertory, viability of the population of the parish, which they put into a sustainability score. However this last set of models does not seem to be based on much other than people complaining. I'm in a little parish called Our Lady of Mt  Carmel at Buckeye Lake. At this last meeting, we were told that there was a recommendation to make us a seasonal parish. When I asked what that would look like and what was the rationale, all they said was that they were looking for other suggestions to spread the priests around. That really concerned our parish priest and our team. We have to give feedback by the end of June this time. I think we're going to try to get a couple of parishes in our area together to look at other options and send them joint feedback. Personally I'm not concerned about where I'll be going to church, because I can go any place I want to. I am very concerned what this will do to the young families who already don't often bring their kids to church or to PSR. If they have to travel any kind of distance, that will be the end of their kids religious education probably. And yes, Dave, there's a whole bunch of us who think the church had better look at letting priests marry but I don't see that happening in my life time. 

Nothing will happen until the new bishop is appointed  

 

 

 

 


03/25/22 10:28 AM #10873    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Today, at all Masses throughout the world priests and Bishops along with Pope Francis are consecrating Russia and the Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. This was a request of the Blessed Virgin given to the children of Fatima in 1917 in which Mary promised that such a blessing would bring about world peace.

This prayer for peace was said after every Sunday Mass at IC back in the early 60's. The IC congregation prayed it today at morning Mass.

Almighty and Eternal Father, God of wisdom and mercy, whose power exceeds all force of arms, and whose protection is the strong defense of all who trust in Thee. Enlighten and direct we beseech Thee those who bear the heavy responsibility of government throughout the world.in these days of stress and trial. Grant them the strength to stand firm for what is right and the skill to dispel the fears the foment discord. Inspire them to be mindful of the horrors of war for victor and vanquished alike, to see in every man a brother that the people of all nations may, in our day, enjoy the blessings of a just and lasting peace.

Conscious of our own unworthiness, we implore Thy mercy on a sinful world in the name of Thy Divine Son, the Prince of Peace, and through the Intercession of His Blessed Mother and all the saints.   

Queen of all Saints, pray for us.  Queen of the Holy Rosary, pray for us.  Queen of Peace, pray for us.


03/25/22 03:28 PM #10874    

 

David Mitchell

Thresa,

I've never understood why "Rome" has so often been unable to get out of it's own way on matters such as Married priests. Do they honestly believe that married men are less able to be spiritual leaders than unmarried?I knew a Catholic priest down here who once referred to that body in Rome as "a bunch of old white-haired Italian men running around with pink beanies on their heads".

I know, I know, I've heard the main argument over and over - that they would be too distarcted with matters regarding wives and children.  Oh but those same "distracted" men could be doctors, and lawyers, and scientists, and educators, and newspaper editors, and electricians and plumbers, even Cops.  

Count me among those who disagree.

This brings to mind a phrase my Father, the most devoutly Catholic man I ever knew. Dad was the Serra Club's Cathoic Man of the Year in '57 or '58, but would often argue with Father Foley (strongly) and other priests, and who called out Bishop Ready over the phone one time. But he and his friend, Bishop Issennmann, came up with a term that sticks in my memory. They called it the "Vatican Control Syndrome" - Rome's obsession with rules and rules and then more rules - almost to the exclusion of the "Good News". Growing up in a parish where so many Sundays had us listeneing to one of Father Foley's screaming, fist-pounding diatribes about the ladies of the parish who failed to bake their pies for Bingo, I can't recall ever hearing a sermon about the many promises of Christ. Ours was a parish clothed in fear, while joy was so often absent.

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Mary Margaret,

You are bringing back memeories of growing up around a kitchen table where dad would read to us aobut the Miracle of Fatima from a book titled "Russia Will Be Converted". Going from memory, it carried the (WWI) message from the three children that we must pray the Rosary every day, or a power would rise out of Russia that could destroy the world. Rather timely for our current situation.

I seem to recall another cover - maybe we had both copies


03/26/22 10:11 AM #10875    

Theresa Zeyen (Kucsma)

 

Dave-

In my opinion, Fr Foley was a sick man who should never have been allowed to be a priest. These days he wouldn't have lasted a week. 
I find it interesting too, that if a man is married clergy in another religion, and decides  to become a Catholic priest, he becomes a married Catholic priest- maybe not even clergy in another, just married. Or if a man is widowed, and even has children, he can also become a Catholic priest. The argument that being married would distract a priest from his priestly duties, is easily refuted because he would have so much more empathy for couples and families as they work through daily challenges. I suspect general interpersonal skills would be better too. 
I'd like to see women clergy too but that's far behind married priests I'm sure.  In the meantime, I'll work with what we have.  My attitude is that no human being will get between me and my God.  Not sure what that says about my allegiance to the Pope, although I think Frankie is basically a good guy.

 

 

 

 

 

 


03/26/22 11:26 AM #10876    

 

Michael McLeod

Now you have me remembering the priest whose name I forget who gave sermons so long at I.C. that there were complaints about it, which he addressed one memorable sunday in another long sermon.

 


03/26/22 12:35 PM #10877    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike,

 Perhaps you are thinking of Fr. Leo Sullivan, a very good priest who's deep voice produced some lengthy but theologically erudite sermons. My dad was always impressed with his theologic knowledge and commented on that as we returned from the Sunday 10:30 "High" Masses.

Jim


03/26/22 12:36 PM #10878    

 

Michael McLeod

Yes. It was Father Sullivan. 

I remember grouchy old men who sat in the back and went out for a smoke.


03/26/22 12:44 PM #10879    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

While this article may not be a perfect answer to the question of married priests, I thought that it presents some additional information and food for thought on this very important topic. As we all have our own viewpoints, I felt that this particular author looked at many differing sides of the issue.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource/56264/the-case-for-priestly-celibacy

This prayer is prayed daily at IC.

O God, Who will not the death of a sinner but rather that he be converted and live, grant we beseech you, through the intercession of the Blessed Mary ever Virgin, Saint Joseph, her spouse, St. Junipero Serra, and all the saints, an increase of laborers for your Church, fellow laborers with Christ to spend and consume themselves for souls through the same Jesus Christ, Your Son, Who lives and reigns with You, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God forever and ever. Amen.


03/26/22 04:41 PM #10880    

 

David Mitchell

Mary Margaret,

Although I do not have the time to comment on each and every point your lengthly article made, (you do throw an awful lot in these posts to cover)     I would summarize my answer by saying I disagree with almost every single thing this author says. I find it demeaning and condescending to all un-ordained Christian men - that ordained priests are spiritually above and more qualified spiritually than laymen. That is one of the myths that the early church used to keep the faithfull in their place (along with not being allowed to learn to read, or to own Bible) and keep them humble and "subservient".

And for every married priest with marital problems, I bet we could find a celibate priest with equal social problems - from alcohol, to social backwardness (ever so common in my lifetime), to more serious issues. I have known a few Cathoilic priests (including two classmates - both of whom I have heard wonderful things about in their priestly capacities ** ) who are outstanding spiritual leaders, but I think most of them (or most any man) are of that high character before or in spite of ordination. I know a littel bit about Steve and Mike's families. Theri family's strong faith and moral character was there from early on.

Which brings up another point my Dad often made - that the practice of the Catholic Church of recrutiing young boys out of grade school and high school directly into the semminary was a horrible idea! The process of growing into maturity behind the protection of semminary walls, as opposed to being out in open society, has had terrible effects on many of those who followed that path.  

This reminds me of a statement I heard during one of our "Careeer Days" at Watterson.  We were in the "religous" lecture (in the "little theater") with a "Paulist" priest - an order that tends to serve a more "earhty" calling - sort of hard knox "street peopel". He talked about how badly they needed mature men with real life experinces, not nice little boys who lived in a sheltered world. He said a phrase I have never forgotten - "If you've never been in trouble, or been to work, or been in love, then we can't use you." 

My experience with both is that I have met (and gotten to know personaly) 6 young Anglican Priests who are much more powerfl spiritual leaders than most Catholic priests I have ever met.  

I still think the arguement about parishes closing and clergy shortages is compelling. Your author's stemement that it is the congregation's fault is almost laughable.

Or was it your point that Peter was less spiritually qualified than the other unmarried apostles? 

(** I have only seen Steve Hodges and Mike DeTemple a few times in these last 50 years, but I assume from a few commetns that they are fully engaged with their respective "congregations" - mostly high school kids in Los Angeles, and college students at Ohio Dominican. Comments from relatives inform me that Mike was positively revered by his students at Ohio Domincan.)


03/26/22 05:18 PM #10881    

 

David Mitchell

Monica and Thersa,

Do you know enough details about the closings to tell us if OLP will close the school and keep the church open, or what?

That building has such a weird history;

1) First the quanset hut down on the high street end of the property, while they built the school. My earliest memories of that church were of crawing freely between pews and discovering this freckle-faced boy my age. His name was Tommy. We stayed buddies for the rest of our lives.

2) Then the school with the "future" gym as the church - "Ugiest church in all of chryistendom" my Dad used to say. The shool was moslty built by Charlie Justus, a masonry contractor who was our neighbor - with 6 kids in OPL school eventually.  He did much of the brick work at just above cost - as any loyal Cahtolic should (right?). Years later, when Father Foley actualy carried out his threat to publish a list of the entire parrish according to their financial contribution for the previous year - Charlie was near the bottom. It was meant to shame those parishoners in the lower half. My Dad (and I think,, Dr. Donally) went over to the Rectory and ripped Father Foley a new one. He was seething as he left the house and still when when he got home. I suppose Stella Cox (Jerry's mom) went over soon after too. She was a frequent visitor to drive over and scold the man for his mis-behavior. An Tom Litzinger's mom also gave him a piece of her mind on numerous occassions.

3) The "New Church" - or as Charlie Kaps father called it at a planning meeting, the "Circus Tent". We had been in the Gymnasium church for about 20 odd years with a large bank accout accumulating for the final church, when suddenly Father Foley died of a heart attack. It was quickly learned that Father Foley had invested ALL of the parish's money with his brother, a stock broker in Boston. But his brother had some sort of signature authorty over the account, and had closed it and moved to the Bahammas. Dad and Charlie Kaps' dad (the Parrish attorney) suspected  that the discovery of the empty account was what brought on the heart attack. The  account was somehwere in the neighborhood of $500.000.  

But we raised the money for the new "Circus Tent" in just a few years and went ahead with the new building. Subsequently, the old "box" church finally became the gymnasium that it had been designed for.

 


03/28/22 11:18 AM #10882    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

One other major explanation for why there are so few vocations for the religious life.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/28/why-are-so-many-kids-rejecting-christianity-look-at-their-parents/?fbclid=IwAR08OYLy74DIN5f1Dpf_NWUDPw7tPNjsxZTHXO9DdihZPSBj9OS5DCVMH_g

 


03/28/22 12:07 PM #10883    

 

David Mitchell

Golly!

I turned on my TV to watch a boxing prize fight last night and the Oscars Ceremony broke out.


03/28/22 03:10 PM #10884    

 

Monica Haban (Brown)

David Mitchell-

As we all know, the Watterson campus is land locked, so it's not surprising that the school considers making use of the OLP campus. Nothing is definitive or imminent, but WHS will most likely retain the church as well to use for Masses, retreats, prayer services etc.

There won't be an assigned pastor (not an active parish), but there are several retired or soon to be retired, alumni priests and deacons who (health permitting) will be available to help.  Father Watson, class of 1970 I think, is often referred to as Father Watterson. Deacon Campbell is Watterson's principal.

The parish elementary schools in neighborhoods with an older population, have struggled for awhile and only survived when they accepted "voucher" students from around the city.

Interesting that two Upper Arlington schools, St. Agatha, and St. Andrew, perhaps two miles apart, have such different enrollments.  Some St. Agatha classes have 12 students, and the school is on the list to close, although the building will become a special needs school for the diocese.

St. Andrew has two of each grade and 7 or 8 school buses lined up at the end of each school day.  Students are from UA, Dublin, Worthington, Hilliard, Columbus etc.


03/28/22 06:12 PM #10885    

 

David Mitchell

Father Watson is a good guy. My kids loved him when they went to Watterson. 

Disappointed as I am over the closure of OLP, I am sort of shocked at the closing of St. Agatha. My cousins went there an my oldest cousin and god-mother was married in the old church - wasn't that Msgr. Applegate back then?

I pitched my first "away game" there and faced Steve Hodges. He only had two pitches - Super Fast and Ultra Fast. He threw so fast you could barely see it going bye. It hummed, and it scared the daylights out of a timmid hitter like me.

First time I ever saw Tom McKeon (1st base) and Bill Fisher (catching). Wow! Those guys had their own baseball diamond and full uniforms! We had caps and T-shirts an Whetstone Park public baseball diamonds.

Speaking of Watterson being "land locked"; I saw that coming for years (my little real estate development mind churning away). When we moved back to Columbus from Denver, I started going to the school (convent basement) each year to do my share on the "alumni fundraising phone-a-thon". One year I went about 8 times and raised so much money they gave me a little folding travel clock gift (with Watterson crest on it) at the annual appreciation dinner (far all the various volunteers of each previous year). Still have it but the crest has faded.

I kept suggesting to Ron Shay that we should use some of the money (It has grown to be quite a large sum) to buy the properties along High street west the school property - and hold it for years while the rents would ammortize the cost. As I recall, it included a small strip center with a pharmcay, the Beechwold Theater, (and small parking lot) and maybe one more property. It only made sense if we looked at the long term, but then the benefits would last forever. I could not get Ron to even consider the idea. I still think it could work - very long term. 

 


03/29/22 08:32 AM #10886    

Theresa Zeyen (Kucsma)

Dave- I'm not ignoring your question. I just need to do some digging on the website. Somehow I got to be the project manager for a security grant our church wrote, and we are looking at bids this week so time is at a premium right now. I will say that I am very concerned that all the small churches are going to be closed and the only option we will have will be going to a much larger church where are you don't feel so much like a family.


03/29/22 09:32 PM #10887    

 

David Mitchell

 

No problem Theresa,

I got quite a bit out of Monica's post. 

I can't get over the shock of this. It makes me much more appreciative of the changing demographics we are living through.

I live in an area of tremedous growth, and the support for Christian schools is quite strong here. My Anglican church has 3 churches on two different campuses, with about 2,000 families. And we have built a new school with a Pre-School, Grade School, and small High School. We have four full time priests (one older and three that are 30 to 50  - all with families), and two additional semi-retired priests doing part-time duties. And we have already baught the property for a third separate campus and church to be built.

The thing I find so noticiable in the school is the positive atmosphere. The kids are in four different uniforms based on class level, and seem so happy. There is much more positive reinforcement for them than I recall. Instead of us marching in straigh lines and not daring to talk (or be smacked) these kids are skipping, running, laughing all over the place, and the halls have dozens of 4x6 foot blowup photos of many of them in various activities. They have a very professinal magazine the school puts out and the 7th and 8th graders put together an exhibit about the "Holocaust" that was as professional as any adult project I have ever seen - enough to fill a wing of a museum. Huge historic info and photo posters on stands lined the halls of the school and gym (where our "rock band" service is held). Most of us adults were stunned by the scope and quality of it. And almost every kid is involved in some level of sports. We bought a lot of land for this campus and have multiple sports venues in back of the school.

The number of younger couples with kids is simply blowing up around here. Even the local Catholic Church has built a new grade school and there is now a new co-ed Catholic High School (John-Paul H.S.) half way to Beaufort - a long drive for Beaufort and Hilton Head, but well supported.

And the Christian Acadamy on nearby Hilton Head just bought a large piece of land near here in Bluffton and built an entirely new campus - a High School. 

I guess Clintonville and Arlington need a 16-mile ocean beach and about 25 golf courses - LOL

(or maybe just 11 months of sunshine)


03/30/22 11:39 AM #10888    

 

Michael McLeod

This, from the Atlantic, on the shifting practicalities that face us when it comes to saving the environment.

Inflation, not unemployment, is now the economy’s biggest problem. And that means that even if the country had workers to spare, it does not have raw materials. Any major domestic buildout of clean energy would require a large amount of steel, concrete, lithium, and other rare minerals. Yet global commodity prices are spiking to all-time highs, and the kind of supply chains required for construction projects are especially clogged. In this economy, it takes a year to finish renovating a kitchen. Restructuring an entire energy system will be far harder.

Moreover, the world’s energy problems are no longer quite as straightforward as they were in the previous decade. After a long lull, gasoline prices have started rising again, peaking earlier this month at their highest inflation-adjusted level since 2014. From an environmental perspective, gasoline remains much too cheap in the United States given its societal costs. But that ideal pricing matters little to the issue’s politics in a car-dependent country. The political challenge, too, is made worse by America’s polarized climate politics: If only one party is interested in passing climate policy, then the climate’s safety rests on the party’s ability to keep voters happy.

The Ukraine crisis has overturned the final dictum, reinstating energy security as a major issue for the West. In almost any world, Putin’s war would have thrown global markets into tumult: More than a quarter of the natural gas that Europe imports from Russia flows in pipelines that run through Ukraine, and large, violent military campaigns do not tend to treat fragile (and flammable) fossil-fuel infrastructure delicately. But Russia’s role as a major oil producer to the world, and Europe’s dependence on Russian natural gas (beyond just that which flows through Ukrainian pipelines), has brought the issue to the center of global politics.

That represents a mixed blessing for the most dogmatic American climate advocates. In the coming years, the European Union seems likely to go on a mad decarbonizing dash, electrifying as much of its energy system as possible so as to reduce its dependence on Russian gas. But even optimistic accounts posit that the continent cannot hope to regain “energy sovereignty” until 2027. It will need more than just heat pumps and solar panels; it will need someone else to sell it gas.

The math makes any other conclusion unavoidable. Last week, the EU promised to import 50 billion cubic meters of liquid natural gas from the United States annually through 2030. Right now, for context, it imports about 17 billion cubic meters of LNG a year, so it will need to find another 33 billion cubic meters to meet its goal.

That is a lot of gas. It exceeds the LNG imports of every country in North and South America combined. It seems reasonable to conclude, therefore, that if the EU follows through on its commitment—but no country produces more gas—then it will break the global market for liquid natural gas. That will make natural-gas prices rise everywhere, for all countrieseven those that don’t buy LNG from the United States. And that will force middle-income countries—such as Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Thailand—that have been planning on importing natural gas to instead buy coal, a far dirtier and more climate-destructive fuel.

This doesn’t mean that climate advocates should become pro–natural gas, of course—especially when the fuel’s climate impact is looking worse and worse. But it does mean that American climate advocates must approach the new energy landscape with the same creativity and disrespect for orthodoxy that they brought to the old. If Europe’s democracies believe that their ability to import natural gas from a non-Russia country is essential to their survival, then American climate advocates should find a way to help them—without cutting a blank check to U.S. natural-gas producers or extending the gas system’s lifetime into the 2030s.

Climate activists remain correct in their essential diagnosis: In order to avoid catastrophic changes to the climate system, most undrilled fossil fuels must remain in the ground. But for the next few years, climate policy will require a subtler hand than advocates have been used to providing. It means that the U.S. must make strategic investments to increase grappling with the energy system as it exists today—which is fossil-fuel-dependent—not because fossil fuels have inherent value but because only by understanding the current situation can the U.S. plan for the future. Putin’s war has all but ensured that the path to decarbonization will not be a straight line. But if advocates navigate this moment carefully, then the U.S. and the EU can find a shortcut, not a detour.

 


03/30/22 03:38 PM #10889    

 

David Mitchell

I'm feeling really old again today. 

How old ?

I'm so old I can remember way back when the Clevelnd Browns were a first class operation.

 

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Like so many young kids I always dreamt of being a big league sports star - maybe a Wide Reciever like Paul Warfield. But I really wasn't any better than most other kids. So it was nothing more than a dream for me.

But wait a minute - I just had a great idea! Maybe if I go out and sexually assault a couple dozen women, and lie about it, then maybe the Browns would make me an offer. 

(confidentially, I'd settle for one per cent of the Watson deal. But don't tell anybody I said that. I need to keep my bargainig position strong) 


03/31/22 12:53 PM #10890    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

Dave I have been seeing a number of ads for Baseball Caps and T-shirts with one saying that I think is very appropriate.

    "They say I should act my age, BUT I've never been this old before."

Just a thought.  What size do you need?

Joe

 

 


03/31/22 01:31 PM #10891    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2022/03/30/washington-post-at-least-some-of-the-material-on-hunter-bidens-laptop-is-definitely-real-n458951

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/03/30/finally-finding-holds-dnc-and-hillary-clinton-campaign-accountable-for-dossier-hoax-n543129


03/31/22 01:44 PM #10892    

 

David Mitchell

Joe,

I've always been a sleepy head, so I think size ZZZ would work.


04/01/22 01:55 AM #10893    

 

David Mitchell

The following is for those of you who were caught off guard by last Sunday night's edition of "Hollywood Comedian Slap Fights".  It occurs to me that you might prefer a slightly more civil Oscar Night from years gone bye. 

So take a break from your snow shoveling and enjoy some simple pleasures - compliments of John Williams.  

(WARNING: For those of you who might prefer listening to "Jerry Vale's Greatest Hits" on your 8-Track players, please have your parents write an excuse for the principal.)  




04/01/22 11:17 AM #10894    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

https://townhall.com/columnists/erickerickson/2022/04/01/the-biden-recession-is-coming-n2605356

https://www.theblaze.com/news/blackrock-inflation-scarcity-entitled-generation?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20210331Trending-Blackrock&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News


04/01/22 12:48 PM #10895    

 

David Mitchell

And then there is this.

(Somehow Mr. Williams must have let this one slip his mind in his Oscar medley.)

Nobody does it like those Moldovan guys - right?




04/02/22 06:42 AM #10896    

 

Monica Haban (Brown)

Columbus has a new Bishop!  Father Earl Fernandes, was our Cradling Christianity speaker years ago, and he is a good guy!  His sister is / was a member of St. Andrew Parish, and his niece and nephew attended St. Andrew School.  


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