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01/20/22 04:34 PM #10448    

 

Frank Ganley

My granddaughter is a brownie this year! Last year as ac Daisy, they had to think of a new group to sell more uniforms she set a record for at least her Girl Scout counsel by selling 840 boxes! If you'd like to help her reach new heights in selling you may call or text her hotline ( home) Natalia Valentin 813 7313920 and she will tell you all about it. Her office hours are from 5 to 8 ( she's in second grade and doesn't get out of school till 4:30 she will tell you all the cookies and the new ones


01/20/22 08:02 PM #10449    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

The most basic question is not what is best, but who decides what is best." - Thomas Sowell


01/20/22 10:47 PM #10450    

 

John Jackson

MM, I don’t have the remotest interest in watching anything that slimeball Tucker Carlson is involved with.   Fox New has provided a platform for some really sick people and Tucker Carlson is (currently) the sickest.  It's hard to imagine anyone more mean-spirited and opposed to the values of our Catholic upbringing.             


01/20/22 11:14 PM #10451    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

John, you certainly do not have to watch anything posted here, including this video.  But if you had chosen to watch you would have discovered the video only features a 30 second clip from Carlson's show, the other 15 minutes features a report by The Hill reporter, Kim Iverson on the Great Reset.  Hopefully, you don't harbor any ill feelings toward her.

 

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01/20/22 11:56 PM #10452    

 

David Mitchell

I must admit I almost passed on the video as I also detest the lying little coward that Tucker is. And I am not down with anything the anti-Catholic Glenn Beck has to say.  

 

But "The Hill" is a pretty interesting commentary group. I listen to them from time to time. They are not afraid to find fault with either side (that suggests that there are only two sides).

That segment coverd a lot of ground and I think I agree with a lot of it. And I especially like the way they ended it - by mocking the Davos meeting for letting Chairman Ping (of all people) deliver the opening address ("his freedom loving and respect for human rights" - "we kid")

 

But I am stil trying to re-attatch my lower jaw after hearing "Uncle Mitch's" comment yesterday about "African Americans voting as much as Americans"    HUH?

 


01/21/22 11:01 AM #10453    

 

Michael McLeod

Jim:

If we can have this conversation in between the faux news contratemps - although if I did get involved, which I won't, I'd say something in John's defense, like "Well, 30 seconds of faux news is enough to make my ears bleed".

Ok, here is what stops me in that metaphor: the word "domestic."

I inserted the definiton of tha word below. Now tell me why the body's immune system would have to be on guard about an attack from within?  In other words, why would the body have a "domestic" enemy it has to protect itself against? If that is not the case then the metaphor breaks down. I'm going to guess that sometimes the immune system goes haywire. Thinks the body is being attacked, but it really isn't, and it wacks out and creates problems where none actually exist. Runs screaming down the street sounding the alarm and waking everybody up and causing consternation and chaos - chaos, I tell you, absolute CHAOS! 

And now that I mention it I have a vague memory about that but it's not quite coming into focus. 

But I still have issues with the metaphor. Though it doesn't make me gag, as the sight and sound of Laura Ingraham does.

  1.  
  2. relating to the running of a home or to family relations.
    "domestic chores"
    Similar:
    family
     
    home
     
    private
     
    household
     
    domiciliary
     
    Opposite:
    public
     
  3. 2.
    existing or occurring inside a particular country; not foreign or international.
    "the current state of US domestic affairs"
     
     
     
  4.  

 


01/21/22 11:47 AM #10454    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike,

 I thought that you might be baffled by that word, "domestic". Taking a little literary license, I used the term to describe the autoimmune disorders in which - for often unknown reasons - the body's immune system attacks its own self. So, the metaphor stands!

Jim


01/21/22 12:35 PM #10455    

 

Michael McLeod

Right you are, Jim. 

What have we got for him, Johnny? An auto? That's right! A BRAND NEW TESLA! (audience ooos and aaahs)

 


01/21/22 05:28 PM #10456    

 

John Jackson

Sorry MM, but I’m not going to take seriously (or watch) any piece that gives Tucker Carlson a platform. 

I generally don’t have any problem with “The Hill” which presents a modestly right of center, but responsible, take on the news -  but that’s OK and I applaud it.  God knows we need to have responsible (if conservative) voices on the right because such outlets are now few and far between as lunacy and conspiracy have taken over  what used to be the Republican Party. 

Kim Iverson would have done us all a favor by leaving Tucker Carlson out of it.  Remember those SAT analogy questions – here’s mine: Tucker Carlson is to Fox News as child pornography is to pornography.

 


01/21/22 05:52 PM #10457    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

John, did you watch the video, and if you did, do you have an opinion about the content of Iverson's report?. If the content presents factual truths of an issue, it shouldn't matter what anyone thinks of personalities.  And if you didn't watch it based on a 30 second segment of persons you don't like, which only served to introduce the topic of The Great Reset, then you missed out on a great 15 minutes of information and discussion.


01/21/22 11:38 PM #10458    

 

David Mitchell

I have been a "news junkie" since I was a teenager. And I don't recall a time in my life when there has been soooo much incrediblly attention-getting news. But just so those of us down here in the "Low Country" don't let y'all fergit that we down here, we got us a real doozie of a news item, have a look here.

Jist when y'all thought it wuz safe to read a boring little South Carolina news report, up jumps our favorite (ongoing) small-town crooked attorney scandal and we're right back in your face. 

Attorney Alex Murdaugh - the one who tried to stage his own "suicide" and who's drunken son drove the boat that killed the girl, and that same son was murdered along with his mom on family property, and on, and on, and on.

Well now, Attorney Alex Murdaugh was just charged with 27 more charges (21 of which are crimminal) for a total now of about 73 total charges, involving the theft of about $4 million of clients funds.

And one of his old college buddies, another local attorney, who Murdaugh sent clients of his to defend them against himslef, was also just disbarred from Law practice in So. Carolina for colluding with his buddy Murdaugh, to divert the money they were owed, into one of Murdaugh's own accounts. I know, I know, it sound nuts - and it is. Honestly, it gets so complicated, I don't know if just one Hollywood movie will be able to cover this whole story.  

 

 

 

 

 


01/22/22 11:43 AM #10459    

 

Michael McLeod

Here is a useful site for those who want to thread their way through the great reset controversy and separate facts from conspiracy theories. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wef/fact-check-the-world-economic-forum-does-not-have-a-stated-goal-to-have-people-own-nothing-by-2030-idUSKBN2AP2T0

 

Also: smart guy, eh?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/now/unvaccinated-glenn-beck-gets-covid-172601361.html

 

And finally,this contextualizes it well.

Anti-lockdown protest in Manchester, 8 November 2020
‘Although we may scorn the ideas of anti-lockdown protesters, we ignore the unequal reality of the pandemic at our peril.’ Anti-lockdown protest in Manchester, 8 November 2020. Photograph: Andy Barton/SOPA Images/REX/Shutterstock

At a recent anti-lockdown protest in London, thousands of people gathered to oppose what they saw as a clandestine power grab taking place under the cover of a pandemic. Some protesters carried cardboard signs bearing the name of the alleged takeover: “The great reset”. “They thought they could easily get their great reset,” one man shouted. “Little did they know! The pandemic’s a hoax!”

The great reset, both the title of an airport book by the creative economy guru Richard Florida and a slogan favoured by corporate do-gooders, is also the term for a web of ideas that has become increasingly popular among the anti-lockdown right. In its most implausible version, this conspiracy imagines that a global elite is using Covid-19 as an opportunity to roll out radical policies such as forced vaccinations, digital ID cards and the renunciation of private property.

 

Though a poor diagnosis of the causes of global events, the great reset offers a grim insight into the public mood. An unlikely source provided its initial spark. On 3 June, as the UK’s Covid death toll reached 50,000, the royal family’s YouTube account posted a video about a new sustainability drive headed by the Prince of Wales’s Sustainable Markets Initiative, in partnership with the World Economic Forum (WEF). Titled #TheGreatReset, the initiative called for “fairer outcomes” and the redirection of investment towards a more “sustainable future”. It had all the slick branding one has come to expect from the WEF, with a cinematic video of ice floes and beached whales, and a sonorous monologue by Prince Charles.

The initiative joined a line of similar proclamations riffing on Karl Polanyi’s 1944 urtext, The Great TransformationIn the past decade, authors and politicians have talked of the “great financialization”, the “great regression”, the “great reversal”, the “great acceleration”, the “great unraveling” and the “great uncoupling”, to name just a few. The WEF’s great reset went largely unnoticed at first, arriving at the same time as George Floyd’s death spurred Black Lives Matter protests across the world. But the idea later caught on – in a way that organisers most likely didn’t expect.

Weeks after the WEF’s announcement, Justin Haskins, the editorial director of the libertarian thinktank, the Heartland Institute, sounded klaxons about the great reset on Fox Business, Fox News and Glenn Beck’s network, TheBlaze. “The rough outline of the plan is clear,” he said. “Completely destroy the global capitalist economy and reform the western world.” Yet, apart from a few isolated yelps in the rightwing echo chamber, the great reset failed to catch on as a fully fledged conspiracy theory until Joe Biden’s victory in early November, when Google Trends shows that searches for the term surged online.

The most obvious spark for this growing interest was a segment on Laura Ingraham’s television show on Fox News, which averaged 3.5 million viewers in 2020. “You know the idea, ‘never let a crisis go to waste’,” said Ingraham on 13 November. “Well, with the coronavirus, that idea went global. And since last spring, powerful people began to use this pandemic as a way to force radical social and economic change across the continents.”

Years after the journalist Naomi Klein first identified the “shock doctrine” of radical policies that conservatives rolled out during disasters, the right was now appropriating this narrative for its own ends.

A few days later, Ingraham returned to the theme. In a clip viewed some 2.4m times, she said Biden’s “handlers” believe in “the great reset of capitalism. It’s a plan to force a more equitable distribution of global resources.” The same day, another conservative commentator, Candace Owens, tweeted: “They are using Covid to crash western economies and implement communist policies. That’s what’s going on.” And in Australia, the Spectator columnist James Delingpole was interviewed on Sky News Australia (which, like Fox News, is owned by Rupert Murdoch). “Anyone who doesn’t realise that the great reset is the biggest threat to our form of life right now hasn’t been paying attention,” he said.

The great reset theory is nonsense, and will probably become a prime target for the many new research centres and initiatives studying “disinformation” that have mushroomed on university campuses since 2016. But although we may scorn the ideas of anti-lockdown protesters, we ignore the unequal reality of the pandemic at our peril. Many of the world’s tech companies and CEOs have done well from this crisis. Indeed, in the same week that many Americans lost their jobs, Jeff Bezos, the founder of Amazon, added $13bn to his fortune in just a day. With surreal realities like these, where prominent members of the 1% really do appear to have gained from the pandemic, how much of a leap is it to persuade someone that the crisis has been orchestrated deliberately so that elites can amass power?

The genius of Murdoch’s hosts was giving people a place to direct their anger. With his thick German accent and outpost in the Swiss Alps, the WEF’s founder, Klaus Schwab, labelled a “charismatic German” and “dangerous Marxist leader” by Sky News Australia, was the perfect villain for this conspiracy. For rightwing pundits, the great reset was also a welcome distraction from their own complicity with power and wealth, having spent four years cheerleading a president whose major legislative achievement was a mammoth tax cut that disproportionately benefited the rich.

That the WEF has inspired a conspiracy about elites is unsurprising; the organisation is best known for its annual gathering in Davos, Switzerland, when top corporate executives arrive in fleets of private jets to pay lip service to climate change. While Schwab has pronounced that “neoliberalism has had its day”, it is left to his critics to remind the WEF of its record, such as its publication of an annual “global competitiveness index” that has, since the 1970s, flogged national governments into a race to the bottom to adopt lower taxes and slash regulations.

If the great reset tells us anything about political reality, it’s that corporate elites can’t win legitimacy through vacuous initiatives. People recoil, it turns out, at being treated like buggy hard drives that can be reset from above. Changing the conditions of people’s lives and the causes of political alienation will take far more than the WEF’s tone-deaf video about the opportunities of a pandemic, fronted by the royal family. It’s social movements such as Black Lives Matter and the climate strikers, not boardroom initiatives, that offer a better lesson in how to gather popular support for the transformations we need.

 


01/22/22 12:13 PM #10460    

 

John Maxwell

If there was ever a time in history for the existance of a super slueth like Sherlock Holmes? Why? Given the combination of the number of waves of variants of this Covid variants scourge with the opposing and various opinions proffered by our popular news sources, what's a girl to do? I like to think that we people are good. That we embrace life with all our power and work hard to make it livable. I hope that we are not in the midst of some perverted effort by some group of hooligans bent on the distruction of the human race. I guess all we can really do is set the example of unconditional love for each other and hope it works and all this folly just goes away. Who wants a hug? Make social distancing just a new dance craze and not a way forward. Or....maybe this is my special form of insanity for wanting feelings for me to not be loathsome. Thanks for playing, "What's the Point?".

01/22/22 02:01 PM #10461    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Folks, 

With all this talk about primary and booster COVID shots, it is easy to forget that it is not the only disease in town. For those who wish to get them don't forget the seasonal influenza vaccine. You certainly do not want to come down with that infection or worse, flurona!

Jim


01/22/22 02:03 PM #10462    

 

David Mitchell

Ahhh, but there lurks an even more secretive group who meet only every five years under the code name "Class of '66". This group of some 150 to 200 odd people (and I emphasize the word "odd") going under the name "classmates", holds forth not in a Swiss ski resort, but an old mid-western Cathoilic (that's South Cakalatchie for Catholic) grade school hall, with the secret mission of actually enjoying one another's company and sharing past memories. They admit to regularly imbibing with spirits and swallowig special nurishment, and they stand not for a "new world order" but rather, "the good ole' days".

They even use a special code word as a rallying cry  -  "Gimme an E"

 

Word on social media has it that they recently had to "re-set" their clandestine plans to meet, and have pushed back their secret gathering date to September of 2022. (experts are undertaking a process of fact checking as we speak)

 

Don't tell a soul.

 


01/22/22 02:12 PM #10463    

 

David Mitchell

Or, to quote Sister Norbertine, "Mumm's the word".


01/22/22 10:05 PM #10464    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike, I believe all you have to do is to use your eyes to see the destruction and disruption to daily living that the past two years have wrought, to not understand the global forces that have used the pandemic to accelerate their new world order.  Years ago I began researching Agenda 21 which has now become Agenda 30 and the goals could not be more clear.  Just read this aricle by one of the "Young Global Leaders" and a member of the Global Future Council on Cities and Urbanization of the World Economic Forum.   https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldeconomicforum/2016/11/10/shopping-i-cant-really-remember-what-that-is-or-how-differently-well-live-in-2030/?sh=7fead2817350

And as for Glenn Beck, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham and all of the other conservative voices some of you so despise, I get it....you have made your point.  It is diappointing to me that we can not all just stick to the issues and leave personalities out of it.  I have a whole list of progressives whose personalities I take issue with, but I have made every attempt to keep them out of these discussions. We can learn much more from each other when we respect differing opinions on various issues, and debate only on those issues.  And as for Glenn Beck not being vaxxed and getting Covid.- almost everyone I know, including most of my numerous relatives have been double vaxxed and some boosted, and nearly everyone has come down with Covid since Thanksgiving. Covid does not discriminate.between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated. The constant drumbeat of demonizing those who have very personal reasons for not getting the injection is unseemly.   https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/why-the-risk-ratios-that-supposedly/comments


01/22/22 11:09 PM #10465    

 

David Mitchell

Mary Margaret,

 

In your post you stated the following;

 "It is diappointing to me that we can not all just stick to the issues and leave personalities out of it." 

Just exactly how would you suggest we do that? When just about every single thing we are discussing has it's sources with some particlular person ("personaity").

My disrespect for, and iutter disgust with Tucker Carlson comes from his ideas on issues, the very thing you seem to want us to discuss. 

Aside from his complete hypocrisy - (On the air, he blasts the use of the vaccine, and calls for people to "turn in" parents who have their children masked to the child welfare authroities, while everyone at his Fox studio is required to have the shots), I have other personal grudges with him - on issues.

(correction - it may have been Glenn Beck who called for people to report parents of masked children to the child wellfare authorities)

Here's one.

I mentioned this before, but I'll say it again. He (and his pals, Sean and Laura) committed the most disgraceful and anti-patriotic insults to the four Capital policemen after their testimony before Congress about their horrifying experience defendig the Capital on January 6th. He (and Sean and Laura) actually mocked these four men and made them out to be play actors for sympathy in their testimony. (one you may recall was knocked down and beaten and suffered a heart attack as a result). Their insults were so agregious that I thought it called for them to be taken of the air. To me, that is an issue.

(I am reminded of the day I came home my final time from Vietnam, and while walking down a concourse in the  San Francisco airport with two young Naval Ensigns, was spit upon by a young man walking (then running) the other way along the concourse. Or an even worse verbal insult from an old classmate as I walked into a Holiday party at one of our classmate's houses in late December of 1969.)

How you think the four police officers should have been treated, and are you in agreement with the humiliation Tucker heaped on them?   

----------------

p.s. I have recently just read three different sources of columnists from varying credible sources, who "researched" the stories of Vietnam Veterans being spit upon, and all three concluded that it never happend.  

I must have been dreaming.

 

But I wasn't dreaming when I listened to Tucker "spitting on" those 4 officers.

 

 


01/22/22 11:15 PM #10466    

 

David Mitchell

P.s.

I guess its all about who you know. I know many, many people who are vaxed and have only heard of two cases of them getting the Covid. I realize ther must be more, but I don't know any personally. And you still have not answered the question (asked on this site several times) about why you think the death rate is about 7 times as high for unvaxed as for vaxed?


01/23/22 04:41 AM #10467    

 

Michael McLeod

It's not a matter of personality but professionalism,mm. Fox news is hateful and deceptive and unprofessional as a rule. I'm thinking 50 years as a journalist gives me the right to say that.  And though people who have been vaccinated can still, though rarely, contract the disease, they most certainly do much better in terms of their symptoms than those who are not. 


01/23/22 11:38 AM #10468    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

From a personal perspective, I decided after Dave's post to actually count my vaccinated and some boosted members of my extended family who have gotten Covid since November....just counting those over 21 who have gotten the virus, I can name 35 adults.  And of just the friends of my adult kids who go to IC...there were approximately 20 in their small circle of friends.  My son is a firefighter and he said around 90% of his department is vaxed and yet Covid circulated among them as well.  Of the 18 members of my immediate family, none of us fully vaxed, from last year to this, everyone (including myself) but 3 grandkids came down with Covid.  None of us were hospitalized, some even the vaxed, had varying degrees of sickness.  Unless you want to hibernate in a cave somewhere, you will run the risk of getting Omicron.  It is airborne and highly contagious.  CDC has finally admitted the masks we were all mandated to wear do absolutely nothing to prevent the spread because of the very minute viral particles.  Unfortunately, as early as June, 2020, the censorship of those who attempted to communicate this to the public were immediately taken down from social media platforms.and often demonized in their own professions.  Science is about debating and testing theories, it ceases to be science when voices are silenced.  How many more people would be alive today had the medical establishment followed the example of doctors who were treating patients with protocols that included pharmacetiuical and nutrceutical ingredients instead of listening to arrogant bureaucrats who recommended NO treatment until it was often too late? 

A final note, I am not asking anyone to change their mind on the Covid injections or the masks, I am simply attempting to explain why no one should be demonized or ostracized from society for choosing to follow their own medical decisions, nor should anyone be mandated by an employer or the government to be injected as a condition of being able to fully engage in society.

P.S. to Mike....And therefore the antithesis to Fox News....MSNBC and CNN never spew division or hate or untruths?  Chris Cuomo? Joy Ried? Rachel Maddow? Al Shaprton? Brian Stelter?  Don Lemon?  Joe Scarborough? Van Jones?  

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/why-the-risk-ratios-that-supposedly/comments 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2022/01/06/this-is-why-biden-is-wrong-that-were-in-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated-n1547409?fbclid=IwAR1Ebkuw7rhAPmwPwuQK0PPp2CKhdehN50w4ed5-Qh9tI1hXRLLlY0JcvTo

https://www.theepochtimes.com/british-medical-journal-demands-immediate-release-of-all-covid-19-vaccines-treatments-data_4227341.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o10

 


01/23/22 01:52 PM #10469    

 

David Mitchell

Obviously, there seems ot be a difference between the results being reported by different agencies in different areas. Here is a page from a report published days ago by the State of Washington Health Department. 

Note the difference between those first two columns (after the age group column). It may not always be "7 times" but it's a pretty wide gap.   


01/23/22 04:47 PM #10470    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

So my wife turned on the TV to listen while she washed her face.  The channel that was on included an Evangelist who starts his show with a joke.  Here it is, best as I can remember.

A little girl asked her mother where we came from.  The mother told her that in the beginning God created Adam and Eve and we all come from their children.

Later the girl asked her father where we came from.  The father told him that we are descended from Apes.

Then the girl went back to her mother and said that her father said we came from apes.  Which is correct?

The mother softly said that there are two sides.  On Her side we came from God, but that on her fathers side his family came from apes.

 


01/23/22 06:24 PM #10471    

 

John Jackson

MM, your arguments are anecdotal and I can respond anecdotally with my own very different experience.  But arguing anecdotally is useless and the only thing that really matters is what the overall numbers say.

In a Nov. 21 press briefing, CDC director Rachel Wolensky said that unvaccinated people are about six times more likely to test positive than vaccinated people, nine times more likely to be hospitalized, and 14 times more likely to die from COVID-related complications.  The chart below illustrates the 14:1 death rate statistic:


The chart above shows the death RATE per 100,000 people.  Since there are roughly twice as many vaccinated people as unvaccinated, the ratio of the total NUMBER of unvaccinated to vaccinated people dying (Dave’s statistic) is only about 7:1. 

MM, despite numerous requests, you have steadfastly refused to address the reality that the chart above presents, and until you do so, your anecdotal evidence (backed up numerous references to right wing conspiracy theory sources) should be ignored.

I’m sorry - people who chose to ignore the science and refuse to vaccinate themselves are irresponsibly clogging our hospitals and, in many states, crowding out others who, through no fault of their own, must delay needed treatment. The unvaccinated also contribute to an overall prevalence of disease that makes it much more likely that schools will close (and school closings probably cause more damage than any of the other societal effects of the virus).

The unvaccinated are also causing the exhaustion and burnout of emergency room and intensive care nurses and doctors who have reported that, despite their best efforts, it’s inreasingly hard for them to feel empathy when they have to treat those who could have easily avoided the condition they find themselves in.                                                                             


01/23/22 07:22 PM #10472    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Folks, 

"What he world needs now is love, sweet love... 🎵". Well, maybe it needs a lot of things but one might be a nasal vaccine.

I think that anyone who has been following this Forum has read my thoughts on vaccines, mandates and such.

It is well known and accepted that this virus is a primary respiratory one which usually enters the body through the nose. The current vaccines are quite good at generating a first IgM and a later IgG antibody response as well as some T-cells defense. The value here is to protect an individual from deeper and more severe disease processes. They do NOT prevent the virus from entering the nasal passages. Thus even fully vaxxed, asymptomatic persons can test positive by home or PCR nasopharyngeal swabs. I contend that those individuals might even get common cold symptoms. And yes, there will be some who will get the more serious "break through" disease. Unlike IgM and IgG another antibody, IgA, exists not only in the bloodstream but also in a secretory state (in the body secretions, such as nasal discharge).

Wouldn't it be nice to have a vaccine that stimulates IgA production against Sars-CoV-2 that could destroy the virus at its point of entry? Maybe one that could be given in a nasal spray?

There is current research looking at this. If omicron doesn't help end this plague, perhaps this is what the world needs now.

Jim

 


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