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12/12/20 03:16 PM #8631    

Timothy Lavelle

Our local town is very big in the news today. A "Fredom Rally" will be held today to celebrate. Restaurants open for dining...guns in holsters...no masks, thanks very much. Pfizer is working on a vaccine for dumb, but it won't reach people who need it most.

Big year for hoaxes. Is it hoaxes? Maybe the plural is hoaximus, i hoax, you hoax, we hoaximus. Covid hoaximus in which 300 thousand people have volunteered to die in order to falsely frighten the rest of our country.  Very believable.

An election hoaximus supported by a cast of thousands, or maybe it is millions. Six bank robbers can't keep a secret on TV for a half hour but the entire populace who voted against fascism-lite made a pinkie swear to keep mum about the vast conspiracy. Again, very believable, right?

I think we are mistaken to believe our country has not changed over our lifetime or maybe a big ole mask has been removed that we didn't know we were wearing. But, you know, just an opinion.

But here is some real news and it is for the ladies. How about a little soft core, huh? I wondered why it was my lovely was smiling so much over a recent choice for binge worthy TV. I watch when the buckling is being swashed but have not noticed the...more...heated moments as I fiddle with this tablet playing games. But I glanced up last evening to see an extremely handsome young man standing naked...apparently it is a pretty standard scene....men, don't watch...this guy is way, way up high in your register of guys not to compare yourself with...Netflix...The Outlander. Young ladies...girls of '66...he might keep your mind off those never ending hoazimusses going around. Party on. 

 


12/12/20 04:31 PM #8632    

 

John Jackson

MM, if the evidence is so overwhelming do you have any idea why all of the numerous federal judges (now largely conservative and a number of them Trump-appointed) involved in the 40 or so cases alleging election fraud have been so singularly unimpressed with all these sworn affidavits?

 


12/12/20 05:04 PM #8633    

 

David Mitchell

Damn it all anyway! I feel like a fool. And I take full responsibility for my inaction. 

The solutuion to this virus thing has been right there in front of us all this time. I can't believe it took me this long to see it. And to think it is located rght there in Columbus - er, well,,,at least Westerville. And "manufactured" (actually, vinted) by one our very own. 

If I check my calender, I beleive I can link the exact timing of the outbreak of the Virus to my running out of my last bottles of Al Judy's home made Merlot and Sangiovese. As good tasting as any $15 bottle I have ever tasted.    Seriously!

Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa.

Maybe we should contract with Al for a national "roll out" of his latest "vintage".

 

(I suspect Al and I are on opposite sides of the "other virus" - the one in Texas, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Pennsyvania, Nevada, and possibly Mossy Rock. But Al gets a pass from me on that one, for his "tavels" inside Laos (a country he was really "never in" of course), way back in our mutually mis-spent youths.   

 


12/12/20 05:07 PM #8634    

 

David Mitchell

I sure wish Will Shakespeare was alive and still writing his "reality TV" screen plays. 


12/12/20 05:35 PM #8635    

 

David Mitchell

Ahh, not another! 

It doesn't get much better than a steel guitar, a great fiddle, and Country Charley Pride (Ernie Banks's minor league roommate and best friend) singing this song.

R.I.P.  Charley

(check out some of the faces in the crowd. Looks like a Country Legends old folks home. Or maybe this is a preview of our next reunion.)




12/12/20 10:56 PM #8636    

 

David Mitchell

Football History was made today.

Nope, not here;

 

 

 

(Ann Arbor 1927 - v.s Ohio State in the dedication of the "Big House") 

 

 

But here;

Sara Fuller runs like a girl. She probably throws like a girl. And she kicks - IN YOUR FACE - like a girl, Tennessee!



 


12/13/20 10:16 AM #8637    

 

Michael McLeod

I've been heartened, indeed, by the clear thinking and indignation of the judges (many of them republicans)who weighed in on the fake evidence and arguments. It was, like, finally the grownups walke into the room.Love some of their comments.

I have highlighted some of their comments in the story below. Really boosts my morale to see intelligence and judicial acumen clear the air of these poisonous fumes.

By the way: I don't think Trump is lying. I think he truly believes he has been cheated. Why that is - in other words, what is it in his mental and psychological makeup that blinds him - is a subject for another time. But you have to view the pattern of his life going back decades and understand that the best con man utterly believes in his con. He's a method actor ovetaken by his part -- a con man consumed by his con game. I'd pity him if he weren't doing so much damage to the country and the world at large.

 

 

As of Friday, more than 50 of their cases had failed or been tossed out of court. Just one minor suit — which shortened the period of time in which Pennsylvania voters could fix errors on certain mail ballots — was successful.

Judges consistently found there was no substantive evidence to support claims of fraud and irregularities — that Biden’s votes were, in fact, legal votes.

Trump’s campaign “did not prove under any standard of proof that illegal votes were cast and counted, or legal votes were not counted at all, due to voter fraud, nor in an amount equal to or greater than” Biden’s margin in Nevada, wrote state District Court Judge James T. Russell, a former lieutenant in the U.S. Army. A fourth-generation Nevadan, Russell’s grandfather was also a judge, assuming the bench after injuring his leg working on the railroad.

In Pennsylvania, Judge Bibas — who sits on a federal circuit court, just below the U.S. Supreme Court — wrote: “Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so.”

Writing on behalf of two other judges also named to the court by Republican presidents, Bibas, who graduated from Columbia University at 19 before earning his law degree at Yale, added, “Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”

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And in Arizona, evaluating similar complaints from conservative attorney Sidney Powell, federal District Court Judge Diane J. Humetewa wrote: “Allegations that find favor in the public sphere of gossip and innuendo cannot be a substitute for earnest pleadings and procedure in federal court.”

“Plaintiffs have not moved the needle for their fraud theory from conceivable to plausible, which they must do to state a claim under Federal pleading standards,” added Humetewa, a member of the Hopi Tribe who was named Arizona’s U.S. attorney in 2007 by President George W. Bush before being nominated to the federal bench by Obama in 2014.

A handful of judges appeared more open to Trump’s arguments, but such views came in dissents to majority opinions that carried the day.

 

Unlike politics and the media, courtrooms are run by certain rules, applied over and over in matters small and large.

To file a lawsuit, a person must have standing to sue — to be able to show they have suffered a specific injury that can actually be addressed were they to win their suit. They can ask judges to act only where they have jurisdiction. Federal judges are limited, for instance, in their power to deal with matters overseen by the states, like the rules governing elections.

They must also formally state a claim — that is, show that if they’ve presented all the facts accurately, their suit demonstrates some law has actually been violated. They must rely on precedent, showing that they have asked for the law to be applied in the same way that it has been in the past.

And, finally, if lawyers say a fact is a fact, they must be able to prove it is a fact — with credible, firsthand evidence.

Over and over again, Trump and his allies failed to convince judges that their complaints overcame some of these hurdles. In many cases, they failed to demonstrate that they cleared any of them.

Instead, judges repeatedly found that plaintiffs without standing filed cases that, per past precedent, were lodged too late, sometimes in the wrong courts, asking for disproportionate relief based on unsubstantiated claims.

Witness statements submitted by the campaign, for instance, were “self-serving statements of little or no evidentiary value,” wrote Russell in Nevada. So-called expert testimony “was of little to no value,” and a claim of ballot-stuffing in broad daylight asserted by an anonymous witness with no corroboration he termed “not credible.”

One of the most strongly worded opinions came from Wisconsin state Justice Brian Hagedorn, a onetime president of Northwestern University Law School’s chapter of the conservative Federalist Society, who previously served for more than four years as chief legal counsel to former Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R).

“Something far more fundamental than the winner of Wisconsin’s electoral votes is implicated in this case,” Hagedorn wrote, in declining to hear a case brought by a conservative group that asked the court to overturn the election results. “At stake, in some measure, is faith in our system of free and fair elections, a feature central to the enduring strength of our constitutional republic.”

“Once the door is opened to judicial invalidation of presidential election results, it will be awfully hard to close that door again. This is a dangerous path we are being asked to tread,” Hagedorn added.

He was joined by three other justices, including that court’s currently longest-serving member, Justice Ann Walsh Bradley, who taught high school in La Crosse, Wis., before taking up the law, as well as Justice Jill Karofsky, who was elected to the court in April.

The Post review found striking diversity in the political orientation and experience among the judges who ruled against Trump or his allies. Fifty-four were men, 32 were women. They ranged in age from 42 to 82.

 

Trump called the Supreme Court’s refusal to hear a case challenging the results in four states “a great and disgraceful miscarriage of justice.” (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)

In Pennsylvania, U.S. District Court Judge Matthew W. Brann, who served as the chairman of the Bradford County Republican Committee for more than a decade before taking the bench, compared the Trump campaign’s stitched-together legal theories to “Frankenstein’s monster.”

“This Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence,” wrote Brann, days after he heard Trump’s attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani personally argue the case.

“In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more,” he concluded.

 


12/13/20 01:23 PM #8638    

 

David Mitchell

Interesting comments a few days ago form Conservative Republican Texas Senator John Cornyn regarding the lawsuit brought by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton.

"I read just the summary of it, and I frankly struggle to understand the legal theory of it," Cornyn said Wednesday.    (He later added that he sure didn't want some other state telling Texans how to conduct their elections.)

 

One heading I read claims it is "littered with inaccuracies".

Oh, and did I mention,,,,,, Cornyn is a Conservative Republican Senator from Texas


12/13/20 01:38 PM #8639    

 

David Mitchell

In the midst of all this maddness, I am reassurd that there is hope for a better world.

On the way home from church today, in my good blazer and clean shirt and khaki slacks (the clean ones - sorta), I pulled into the drive through window at my nearby McDonalds. And what to my wonder did I realize?

McRib is BACK!!!!

 

I could not wait to get it home, so I attempted to eat it in my front seat - yes, with all my good (semi) clean clothes on - and this gorgous piece of meat with barbeque sauce slatherd all over it..

The results were, to put it bluntly, "Biblbical"! 

 

 

 

 

Truly there is a God!

 

 


12/13/20 02:06 PM #8640    

 

Michael McLeod

never had one. haven't been to a mcdonald's in years. that picture, in fact, grosses me out.


12/13/20 04:11 PM #8641    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

We will occasionally stop at a McDonald's when traveling by car or in an airport. Although not the most heart healthy of food it is usually not microbiologically contaminated so "food poisoning" would be rare. Besides, their coffee is quite good ☕. 

I also have never consumed a McRib sandwich. Looks like it should come with a side of Mylanta and a statin. 

As for the Supreme Court, I am supremely disappointed in their failure to hear the arguments. They, at the very least, owed that to our country.

Jim 

 


12/13/20 05:24 PM #8642    

 

John Jackson

Jim, judges, even conservative judges who people like me might disagree with on a number of issues, revere the Constitution and our democratic system.  It’s obvious that the vast majority, including the conservatives who now dominate the federal courts, are appalled at Trump’s strongman tactics to overturn the election.  The fact that not a single judge has allowed any of these groundless suits to progress shows how delusional and groundless the claims of fraud are. 

With a 6-3 conservative majority, it would have been easy for the Supreme Court to hear the Texas case.  Doesn’t their unanimous 9-0 decision serve as a reality check for you?

The Washington Post ran an article today noting that at least 86 local and federal judges have rejected one or more of Trump’s post-election lawsuits.  One quote:

“…federal District Judge Brett H. Ludwig, a Trump nominee who took the bench in September, dismissed a lawsuit filed by the president that sought to throw out the election results in Wisconsin, calling the request “extraordinary.”

“A sitting president who did not prevail in his bid for reelection has asked for federal court help in setting aside the popular vote based on disputed issues of election administration, issues he plainly could have raised before the vote occurred,” he wrote. “This Court has allowed plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits.”

Trump asked for the rule of law to be followed, Ludwig noted, adding: “It has been.”

 


12/13/20 07:24 PM #8643    

Mary Clare Hummer (Bauer)

Time for a reality check, MM, Jim, anyone else out there clinging to conspiracy & hoax. It's over. He lost. Ding dong. The witch is dead. If Al Gore could accept the Supreme Court ruling in 2000 with only 537 votes separating him from George Bush in Florida, it's time to accept the many, many courts' decisions throughout the nation and the 8,000,000 vote differential and suck it up. You'll survive.  If it helps, we in Ohio voted the exact same way as Pennsylvania with mail-in & absentee ballots sent without having to give a reason,  early voting, county drop boxes & counting ballots up to 10 days after Election Day as long as postmarked by Election Day. Never heard anyone complaining about how WE did it. Just another bit of hypocrisy to chew on. 

It's time to tame this virus and take care of all the people facing eviction, unemployment, business loss, stalled education, sickness & death. Such a simple sacrifice it is to mask up and social distance. Yesterday, our dear, kind, gentle, generous Steve Polis was admitted to the hospital &  is fighting the Covid fight.  His health is already compromised by cancer so I'm sure he can use all the prayers he can get.

Hope Santa brings everyone the vaccine.
Clare

 


12/13/20 07:27 PM #8644    

 

David Mitchell

Thanks Clare.

Prayers for a good guy. 

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Steve (as well as Mike Radcliffe)  personaly shell out some of the cost of some of oiur past reunions?


12/13/20 08:21 PM #8645    

 

Julie Carpenter

Clare--so nice to hear your input. Not that Mike, John, Dave and Tim haven't made some very good points. Thank God the Electoral College meets tomorrow to settle (I use that term loosely, knowing the Trumpites will ignore that verdict, too) the win for Biden. Assuming that there will likely be no acceptance by Trump and his blind followers, I wonder what else will be on his agenda between now and Jan. 20. It scares me. But I really hope that the FBI or National Guard will not have to escort him from office. Can't imagine what our allies will think of that--especially after his lack of regard for many of them this past four years. This is more than I intended to say, so I'll close now. Hope you all have a Very Merry Christmas and, for all of us, a Covid-Free (or at least a covid innoculated) and Happy New Year!


12/13/20 08:27 PM #8646    

 

Julie Carpenter

Gosh -- I almost forgot. My prayers, too, for Steve Polis. You know, I went to grade school with him. His brother, Joe, was in my sister Cathy's class, and his sister, Mary, I think, was in my sister Patty's class. Was always a nice guy--a little shy I think. His brother Joe, was just the opposite, quite the jokester. And Mary and Patty were good friends through grade school and high school. His parents were lovely people, too.

Anyway, good luck, Steve. You'll be in my thoughts and prayers until you get well.


12/13/20 09:56 PM #8647    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Best wishes and prayers for Steve that he may have a complete and speedy recovery from this pandemic plague. Hopefully he will benefit from the better treatments available today.

Jim 


12/13/20 11:59 PM #8648    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Opinions. I expressed one at the end of Post #8663. It always amazes me that a simple, short opinion can elicit rather lengthy responses. Not always, but often, condescending, demeaning and with ridicule. This is not unusual from some of the mainstream media. Occasionally that happens on this Forum. Maybe it got its big boost from Hillary''s "basket of deplorables" comment. 

Even Justices of SCOTUS render opinions, both majority and minority ones. Judges are not infallible, although we tend to think so when their opinions agree with ours. My statement in that Post was an opinion. I do have the opinion that SCOTUS  should have heard the arguments. Apparently two Justices would have been willing to do so. But that did not happen. As is said, "it is what it is". If there are other paths that can - and should - be explored, let it be.

There are millions of us who feel there is more to learn and may have relevance to future elections. For his entire time in office, even before, Presdent Trump has been the subject of various investigations. It seems to me that these current investigations into voter fraud should be pursued to the satisfaction of those millions. 

This, of course, is just my opinion.

Jim 


12/14/20 08:09 AM #8649    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Thank you, Jim for the respectful response.


12/14/20 11:26 AM #8650    

Lawrence Foster

On this silent night, listen with your heart.  You will hear us wishing you a Merry Christmas.


12/14/20 11:47 AM #8651    

 

Michael McLeod

Jim, MM: I apologize for my tone. I should have stuck to the old school just-the-facts approach rather than slipping into indignant, know-it-all columnist mode. John was more mature and collected than I in high school, and it appears that trend has stood the test of time.


12/14/20 03:45 PM #8652    

 

David Mitchell

Jim and Mike, et al,

One of the things I find so interesting about al this "voter fraud" thing is that it has been going on for decades, probably more - in many states - but especially here in the South, where voter disenfranchisement has been the practice for over a century (and still going on).

I have now read and listened to hours of testimony about the mishandling of the ballots in this "Virus altered" landscape of the 2020 election - from Wayne County Michigan to my "back yard" neighbors in Georgia - and have to ask the question - Okay, but where is the actual proof of a different outcome?  

Perhaps the good that can come out of all this is that we all can agree that there needs to be substantial improvement in the way the ballots are handled and tallied. And yes, we must all agree tha tthe Virus caused us to resort to special proceedures - which I beleive were absolutely necessarry,,,,, 

(but which he didn't - oddly, after voting early himself????) 

 

So why are we are only seeing it come to lawsuits now

And why not sue over our strange purchase of highly suspicious (and much more expensive) voter machines here in South Carolina? Ah yes, it's because he won South Carolina. So could it be that this is just more of the "all about me winning" attitude that he has demonstrated for the past 50 + years of his life?

Recalling the thousands of lawsuits he has filed (is it 2,500, or 3,500?), just to intimidate people who disagreed with him, I question his timing of these lawsuits.

Surely one would have to conclude that the inconsistencies are real. 

This all has a very fishy "smell" to me. 


12/14/20 09:57 PM #8653    

 

John Jackson

Jim, I’ll try to be respectful, but your statement that two of the Supreme Court Justices “would have been willing”  to hear the case is a grossly misleading mischaracterization of what they said.  I’ve read three analyses of the decision and they all agree that Justices Alito and Thomas raised an extremely narrow procedural technicality but were not at all opposed to the finding that the case was meritless.  

The other seven justices (including all three of Trump’s appointees) agreed that the suit was so baseless that it should be dismissed without even being filed.  Alito and Thomas argued that this was a lawsuit between states and the Constitution stipulates that such disputes (which typically revolve around issues like water rights, etc), should at least be allowed to be formally filed with the Court before they are found to be meritless.

Their verbatim statement: "Statement of Justice Alito, with whom Justice Thomas joins: In my view, we do not have discretion to deny the filing of a bill of complaint in a case that falls within our original jurisdiction. See Arizona v. California, 589 U. S. (Feb. 24, 2020) (Thomas, J., dissenting). I would therefore grant the motion to file the bill of complaint but would not grant other relief…"

In essence, Alito and Thomas argued that although the case was groundless it should at least be allowed to be filed before it  is rejected.  That’s the tiniest figleaf imaginable – instead I’d say it’s a pretty complete smackdown from the Supreme  Court.

You, of course, are free to express any opinions you want on subjective topics like what’s the best beer or the most memorable song from our high school days.  But if you express a  controversial opinion on a factual matter that concerns/undermines the effective functioning of democracy in this country (such as, was there widespread voter fraud that stole the election from Trump) if you want your opinions to be taken seriously you’re obliged to present some factual evidence to back up your claim - something you have not done. And if you just casually endorse this fraud stuff and don’t at least present the slightest evidence to defend your “opinions” you should not be surprised to get blowback.   

MM at least presented her list of sworn affidavits, which I’m suspicious of (with the exception of the single NBC News citation) because they come from far-right wing websites which have an extremely checkered history of telling the truth (as evidenced by Mike’s tearing apart of the highly inaccurate information on greatgameindia.com).

In the end, it all comes down to sources – I suspect you get most of your information from the Fox News prime time sources (Hannity, etc) and MM gets it from small far-right websites.  I get my news from the dreaded mainstream media - NY Times, Washington Post, and the major networks, all of whom, because of their reach, are watched and policed by both the right and the left.

But it's obvious that you don’t accept my sources and I don’t accept yours.   So I say let the courts (now dominated by conservatives) decide which version of the truth is correct.  And what would you say is their verdict?

This post has already gone way too long, or I would list some of the withering comments from judges (many conservative) who have dismissed these 50 or so cases out of hand.


12/15/20 02:33 AM #8654    

 

David Mitchell

Kudos to Conservative Republican Senator John Thune for calling on people to "face reality" today.

What took you so long?

 

And a special note of respect for Michigan Republican representative Paul Mitchell (odd name), who offered a strong rebuke to fellow Republicans (for their silence) as he officially departs the Republican party. He will walk away from it all as an Independent in January. He's finally had enough. I wish him well.  

Reading his remarks about where Trump actually lost Michigan and where he didn't was quite interesting. And all this noise about Wayne County being the center of the problem - hmmm.

 

But I guess they are still drinking that funny tea in Texas - still attempting to tell other states how they should run their business. 

 

   "Is anybody goin'  to San Antone.......?"

 


12/15/20 10:12 AM #8655    

 

David Barbour

Dave M.

Read that the "Candy Bomber" has  covid now, he is 100 now.  You are one of the class I'd expect to know

that story.  There is a whole display at the Air Force Museum on that bit of history.  Brings me to tears any time

I see a reminder of Gail Halvorsen.

Dave B.


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