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10/19/20 12:41 PM #8317    

 

Michael McLeod

You can say that again, Frank.


10/19/20 02:36 PM #8318    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Apparently Adam Schiff also believes the Post story is "fake news" and has been trying to blame Russia for the new Hunter & Joe Biden revelations: 

"We know that this whole smear on Joe Biden comes from the Kremlin," Schiff said. That's been clear for well over a year now that they've been pushing this false narrative about the vice president and his son." 
However, this was cleared up by the Director of National Intelligence today:
"Unfortunately, it is Adam Schiff who said the intelligence community believes the Hunter Biden laptop and emails on it are part of a Russian disinformation campaign. Let me be clear, the intelligence community doesn’t believe that because there is no intelligence that supports and we shared no intelligence with chairman Schiff or any other member of Congress that Hunter Biden’s laptop is part of some Russian disinformation campaign. It’s simply not true.”
~John Ratcliffe, Director of National Intelligence | 10/19/2020
Not even the Biden campaign denies that the laptop and emails belong to Hunter.  There are receipts from the laptop repair shop for Hunter dropping off the laptop.  Parties to some of those emails have verified them. Curiously (or maybe not), Biden was not asked one single question about the Post story or any of Hunter's overseas business dealings during his townhall on ABC last week. Biden refuses to answer questions about it on the campaign trail.  And curiously, Joe has called "a lid" on his campaign for 72 hours. Sure seems like he doesn't want to be confronted while he talks to his lawyers. 

10/19/20 03:53 PM #8319    

 

Michael McLeod

aaannnnddd:

Here's a headline you don't see every day:

Murderer Who Wielded Narwhal Tusk to Stop Terrorist Gets Royal Pardon

Queen Elizabeth II approved a rare form of clemency for an inmate who used a whale tusk to help end a deadly terrorist attack near London Bridge last year.

 

 

 


10/19/20 11:09 PM #8320    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

First Dave M. I admire your choice in PBS shows.  I do prefer to watch BBC when I can.

Second, I knowI should have posted this over a week ago, but........      If memory  serves right, and it's getting more and more foggy, the Philadelphia Inquirer did a weeks in depth (more than a page pe day) about recent changes to the tax code in the 1980's.  The one that brought the biggest laugh was a small paragraph inserted in one of two thousand pages (just joking it was only 2,500 pages concerning new legislation on a variety of items.  Seem a certain Senator had a donor who owned alarge rental property in the U.S. Virgin Islands that had a tax case before the U.S. Virgin Islands tax court.  The Senator did what any self serving member of congress would do.  He had that paragraph inserted that made the income from a U.S. Virgin Island rental property which was purchased on or after a set date (let's say January 1982) and held for at least two years is exempt from owing any taxes to the U.S. Virgin Islands, and forwith could not be taxes by the U.S. Government.  Why were we laughing.  The article went on to say that as a result of that wording a woman who ALSO met that criteria, was able to obtain a refund of her U.S. Virgin Islands tax AND the U.S. Goverment taxes.

In between work on my normal corporate cases I was assigned to "Go after" a business that was the largest of it's typein the United States, and possibly oneof the largest in the world.  They did a lot of mail ordersback when that was not usual.  Anyway, my supervisor had another agent audit this business and hold the father, founder of the business, liable for all types of taxes because he had "SOLD" the busiess to his son, BUT had the audacity of still being involved with the business.  The tax code says this is a  No-No.

So I started the audit, knowing that the supervisor would be breathing down my neck to prove her point.  When I was finished withmy complete audit I asked to have a conference with the Owner (Son) and the head of their accounting firm to discuss my findings.  Most little items they were well aware of and had already agreed to change the way theyreported those items.  I then started talking about how the code did not look favorably on the father being involved.  The Accountant was the first to jump up and say that this was harrassmet, followed by the Owner who said they would contact their congressman AND the head of the I.R.S.  After they settled down I started asking questions, just like a good lawyer who already kknew the answers.  "When did the sale of the business take place?"  Ten years ago.  "When was it finalized?" about the same time.  "What were the Retained Earnings at the time the sale was completed?"  $xxxxxxxxxx.  "How much was the total sales price"  $xxxxxxxxxxx.  "How much was paid each year on the note buying the business?"  One -tenth.  "How was the sale reported by you (Father)?"  Capital Gains of course.  The accountant began to get a quizical look on his face. So I finalized, "father you should not have aided the business after you sold it,  You reported it at a tax rate of 3x.  Under the tax code you were still the owner and did not have a sale because you remained in the business so you in fact should have reported taxes of just 2x as DIVIDENDS, up till the time you received the amount of the retained earnings.  Then you would have paid NOTHING on the proceeds up to the amount of your basis in the business.  And afterword an money received would be capital gains.  Unfortunately the statute of limitations on all but capital gains has expired.  Now anything remaining will be taxed as Capital Gains"  "Do all of you agree with me on this subject so that we can put it to bed?"  All, especially the accountant, agreed.

Afterwards I went back and turned the case in and informed my supervisor that I had gotten them to agree to the issue; however it was a moot point because, and I explained as I had earlier done with the owner, and father, and the accountant.

Last, well I'll save that one for later.

 


10/20/20 11:12 AM #8321    

 

Michael McLeod

Joe:

Thanks.

Being an English major,  it all sounds like black magic to me. But I know a great story when I see it. 


10/20/20 04:02 PM #8322    

 

John Jackson

MM, the whole laptop brouhaha was hardly “cleared up by the Director of National Intelligence today”.  If the statement had come from any of his predecessors, it would carry some weight, but Ratcliffe is a hack who sees his top responsibility (like William Barr) to cover Trump’s a**.

Prior to being appointed to the job Ratcliffe served in the House as an (extraordinarily conservative) representative from Texas.  Trump nominated him for DNI (which is normally a non-partisan job given only to highly qualified intelligence professionals) in 2019 to replace Dan Coats, a former Republican senator from Indiana who was widely respected in the job by both parties - Trump forced Coates out because he wouldn't lie and tow the line. Trump had to withdraw Ratcliffe's nomination because of opposition from both parties based on his almost total lack of  background in intelligence or national security.  However, Trump re-nominated Ratcliffe again in early 2020 and the ever-enabling Republican Senate majority (sensing they would need a partisan hack in this important post during an election year) approved him narrowly early this year.

This is another sorry example of how once capable and effective agencies have been emasculated by the removal of knowledgeable, experienced and competent leadership and replaced by those whose top priority is to do the President’s bidding.

And as far as the laptop story itself goes, is it only my imagination or is it just a tad fishy?  The Vice President’s son drops a laptop full of emails at some random computer repair shop and then never returns to collect it?  The person who accepted the laptop is legally blind and can’t say for sure if it actually was Hunter Biden?  The involvement of Crazy Uncle Rudy Giuliani is also a nice touch.  And, oh, did you know that the New York Post is owned by that paragon of responsible journalism, tabloid king (and Fox News owner) Rupert Murdoch?


10/20/20 10:53 PM #8323    

 

John Jackson

Normally I avoid long posts, but this piece, from The Onion, gives me an Andy Griffith Show kind of chuckle:

GADSDEN, AL—The seven deadly sins—avarice, sloth, envy, lust, gluttony, pride, and wrath—were all committed Sunday during the twice-annual bake sale at St. Mary's of the Immaculate Conception Church.

In total, 347 individual acts of sin were committed at the bake sale, with nearly every attendee committing at least one of the seven deadly sins as outlined by Gregory the Great in the Fifth Century.

"My cookies, cakes, and brownies are always the highlight of our church bake sales, and everyone says so," said parishioner Connie Barrett, 49, openly committing the sin of pride. "Sometimes, even I'm amazed by how well my goodies turn out."

Fellow parishioner Betty Wicks agreed. "Every time I go past Connie's table, I just have to buy something," said the 245-pound Wicks, who commits the sin of gluttony at every St. Mary's bake sale, as well as most Friday nights at Old Country Buffet. "I simply can't help myself—it's all so delicious".

The popularity of Barrett's mouth-watering wares elicited the sin of envy in many of her fellow vendors. "Connie has this fantastic book of recipes her grandmother gave her, and she won't share them with anyone," church organist Georgia Brandt said. "This year, I made white-chocolate blondies and thought they'd be a big hit. But most people just went straight to Connie's table, got what they wanted, and left. All the while, Connie just stood there with this look of smug satisfaction on her face. It took every ounce of strength in my body to keep from going over there and really telling her off."

While the sins of wrath and avarice were each committed dozens of times at the event, Barrett and longtime bake-sale rival Penny Cox brought them together in full force.

"Penny said she wanted to make a bet over whose table would make the most money," said Barrett, exhibiting avarice. "Whoever lost would have to sit in the dunk tank at the St. Mary's Summer Fun Festival. I figured it's for such a good cause, a little wager couldn't hurt. Besides, I always bring the church more money anyway, so I couldn't possibly lose."

Moments after agreeing to the wager, Cox became wrathful when Barrett, the bake sale's co-chair, grabbed the best table location under the pretense of having to keep the coffee machine full. Cox attempted to exact revenge by reporting an alleged Barrett misdeed to the church's priest.

"I mentioned to Father Mark [O'Connor] that I've seen candles at Connie's house that I wouldn't be surprised one bit if she stole from the church's storage closet," said Cox, who also committed the sin of sloth by forcing her daughter to set up and man her booth while she gossiped with friends. "Perhaps if he investigates this, by this time next year, Connie won't be co-chair of the bake sale and in her place we'll have someone who's willing to rotate the choice table spots."

The sin of lust also reared its ugly head at the bake sale, largely due to the presence of Melissa Wyckoff, a shapely 20-year-old redhead whose family recently joined the church. While male attendees ogled Wyckoff, the primary object of lust for females was the personable, boyish Father Mark.

Though attendees' feelings of lust for Wyckoff and O'Connor were never acted on, they did not go unnoticed. "There's something not right about that Melissa Wyckoff," said envious and wrathful bake-sale participant Jilly Brandon, after her husband Craig offered Wyckoff one of her Rice Krispie treats to "welcome [her] to the parish." "She might have just moved here from California, but that red dress of hers should get her kicked out of the church."

According to St. Mary's treasurer Beth Ellen Coyle, informal church-sponsored events are a notorious breeding ground for the seven deadly sins.  "Bake sales, haunted houses, pancake breakfasts… such church events are rife with potential for sin," Coyle said. "This year, we had to eliminate the 'Guess Your Weight' booth from the annual church carnival because the envy and pride had gotten so out of hand. Church events are about glorifying God, not violating His word. If you want to do that, you're no better than that cheap strumpet Melissa Wyckoff."

 


10/20/20 10:53 PM #8324    

 

David Mitchell

John,

I have been thinking the same thing. There seems to be an awful lot of "coincidence" surrounding this laptop. 

The timing. The circumstances. The players involved. Golly, that 's a lot of convenient connections.

And finally, to have it come out in a newspaper under the ownership of what is perhaps one of the worlds dirtiest, most unethical people. The man who is the world's leading publisher of pornography, the man who threatened the last British Governor of Hong Kong (Chris Patten) if he dared publish a book exposing the corruption in the Chinese Communist Party, becasue he was about tp sing a lucrative publishing deal with that same Chinese Communist government.  A man who would let his staff track members of the Royal Family illegally, the man who allowed his staff to track a teenage girl's (Millie somebody?) friends with her "found" cell phone - after she was murdered!  And then let one of his own staff members go to prison for some of his dirty work. 

There sure seem to be a lot of suspicious red lights flashing all over this story?

------------

Murdock will own anything that makes money - including the "NIV" (New Internationa Version) Bible publisher, Zondervan Publishing. (A bible I myself use a copy of - though I tend to use other versions more now). He also owns the publisher of the "Satanic Bible". And of course Fox TV network, including Fox News. And finally, the rumors surrounding his ex-wife are quite interesting. I think it would be safe to say he is one of the single most distrusted people on the planet. 


10/20/20 10:56 PM #8325    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

John, if the "whole laptop brouhaha" was really just that, why did Facebook and Twitter immediately censor the NY Post and its story? Are you okay with political news being suppressed by anyone? 

The DOJ and the FBI have today confirmed what the DNI has stated - the story is not part of any Russian disinformation. The FBI is in possession of the laptop and has said that the emails it contained are authentic.


10/21/20 10:55 AM #8326    

 

Timothy Lavelle

Did you know that the Pacific Northwest has beer that is certified to be better than yours in every way? There are exceptions of course because one has to take into account people who prefer...pre-effing-fer drinks like Miller, Coors or maybe that favorite of dogs everywhere, Bud Lite. I can only equate those with Kols that sold for 87 cents a six pack in Cols back in the day. Water with a tiny bit of caramel coloring. 

I was drinking my way, way back when, through a hoppless existence. After wandering around Ireland buying pints for squinty eyed, story telling town drunks, I did fall under the spell of Guiness. For an growing white boy, the pull to the dark luxurious brew was strong. BUT...fresh Guiness is a must if you love the brew. And REALLY fresh stout does not come in a can or a keg that has sat for weeks. Why? Because a pint of fresh Guiness is like a combination ploughman's sandwiche, an apple, and a glass of orange juice all in one. A pint of the brew that is not fresh loses the bite, the snap on your tongue. 

But 'Murica doesn't have fresh Guiness outside of maybe NYC, Boston or Frisco. My go-to here in the heartland had to change. I searched, drank..swilled some might think. Sam Adams, their standard Boston Lager, was the best I could do for taste for a long while.

Then we moved to the upper left. Visited Yakima and saw major fields of hops. Tried this northwest version of India Pale Ale. Found that the use of hops in the beer here has been amped to add depth and in my opinion, greatness. Hops of many varities are used. Some brewers get carried away with too much of a good thing and go hop nuts but most stop at some form of "double hopped" as the extreme. The right amount of hops is as individual as how much mustard is the perfect amount on a hamburger.

If you have time on your hands, and maybe just a tiny bit of election fever, you can pass some enjoyable hours trying different brands of IPA until you find your love or fall out of your chair. Make a new hobby out of it...likely to be more accepted than sitting in a small dark room trying to catch a shortwave signal from Cuba by people who say they love you but...sorry, I digress...you'll likely make new friends in the same Kroger's aisle where all that cold beer "from around the world" lives. Get creative. 

As a point of goodwill, might I especially suggest getting beer happy to anyone who thinks Trump has a chance. Might as well begin drowning your sorrows now. The rest of us have had four years practice. 

Beer Party On.

PS Joe, coming from business, I enjoyed the tax investigation story a lot. More?


10/21/20 12:03 PM #8327    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Tim,

 I am no beer expert but I do like the dark beers and always keep some cans of Guiness in the fridge. Alaska Amber Ale is one I like also which they serve at the Garden of the Gods Trading Post eating area. Last night we stopped by our favorite Italian Deli and I had a Sam Adams Octoberfest beer which was quite good. Not real dark but a beautiful autumn color. Went well with an Italian sausage sandwich and a cup of pasta salad. 🍻 

 

Jim 


10/21/20 01:31 PM #8328    

 

Timothy Lavelle

Jim,

Just sitting here outside the doctor's office...now drooling!

I drank Alaska Amber for a few weeks and liked it A lot but it gave me a headache. That is another differentiator isn't it? We are all so different chemically and some ber gives some headaches and others, not.

I think Colorado is very like Washington in big numbers of smaller breweries. A guy could have a worse hobby than trying all the Belgians...then the APAs...then the IPAs...moving on to Pilsners...over the years.

AND, the names! Irish Death is a favorite of mine. 

Tim

 


10/21/20 03:10 PM #8329    

 

David Mitchell

Now we are finally onto an interesting subject. 

I grew up in a non-alcholic home. Mom was Methodist and dad had an ulcer that would punish him severely everytime he even breathed near an open container of alcohol. But once in a blue-moon, he would pour "one finger" of something that claimed was "nectar of the gods", Wild Turkey - neat.

He would sip it slowly like it was sweet candy gold and then lt let an "ahhh" as he enjoyed swallowing. But then he would pay dearly for his sins later that night in the bathroom. It burned his stomach lining so bad he could hardly take the pain. 

I did not drink any more than a sip or two of Budweiser, (which Mom kept in the garage for when "company" came), until I went to Salzbburg, Austria for a summer language program in 1965. A plane load of students (college and high school) arrived in Munich, and before making the two hour trip to Salzburg, they bussed us all into downtown Munich for lunch at the famous "Hofbrauhaus" - sight of a 400, or maybe 600 year-old brewey and tourist restauant. Quite a palce - and one I have re-visited several times over the years.

(also famous for being the site of a young Austrain who would get up on the tables in the street level first floor and speak to the studnets about his highly controversial political ideas)

We figured out ehthemenu and lunch came with lots of the local beer. Served by ladies in those bosom enhancing "dirndles" - the traditional local country dress (and guys in their "lederhosen"). I ordered "ein bier" - a one liter glass mugs of the fresh brew. And the ladies delivered 5 huge mugs in each hand - as they pushed their way through the crowd with one liter glass mugs.      

I only did this because I did not know how to order "ein halb" (a half), or "ein dritte" (a third), or even "ein viertal" (a quarter), and because I did not want to embarrass myself amongst all these new "clasmates". As we waited, I was learning that this was not like Ameican beer. It was NOT 6%, but closer to 12 or 14%, and also not pasturized, leaving the raw delicious taste to an unprepaired "rookie". It was delicous! 

I got about one third of the way through my "liter" when I realized someone had switched on the "merry-go-round" and I had to stop eating so I could grab both sides of my seat to avoid being thrown off while the spinning grew more intense. On the bus ride down to Salzburg, two of the older guys (college) got sick in the back of the bus.

As that summer wore on, my roomate and I learned some of the specai places in Salzburg and fell in love  with one Austrian beer called Gosser (with an "umlaut" over the "O", which I cannot type - making the pronunication more like "Gesser").

We had grown fed up with the food at our studnet dinning hall and found a local tavern nearby that was a half-flight of steps down into a very "locals only" type of place, with great food. Wwe would go there about once a week. One night we went in and the only table they had was the "stamtish", the table reserved in many Europena-culterd restaurant for the owners family. We were seated in this raised platform table near the center of the room. It was a booth with a wall on one side but we were a bit obvious to the guests on the main side of the rroom.

We ordered a liter of "Gesser" and a favorite dish. We gulped down the beer and our "Cordon blue" (double Weiner Snitzel wrapped around gruyere cheese). We were getting sloshed and still hungry when the waiteress came to ask if we wanted dessert. We told (maybe yelled was more like it) in our drunken, broken German that it was the "bestest Cordon Blue in dem ganzen welt". (best Cordon blue in the whole world!) and we ordered a second dinner and a second liter. She thought we were joking at first, and it started the whole place laughing. They must have been thinking, "look at those two drunken American kids!" 

We finished and stumbled up the stairway to the street and leaned on each other the entire way back to our apartment. I have never become a huge beer drinker, but to this day I have never tasted anything quite as good as that.  


10/21/20 03:16 PM #8330    

 

David Mitchell

P.s. Tim,

What about your legendary Northwest brews? 

 

OLYMPIA ("It's the Water,,,,, and a Lot More")

and   "R - A - I - N - I - E - R  Beer" (spoken to the sound of the motorcycle ripping bye.


10/21/20 03:36 PM #8331    

 

David Mitchell

One more thing.

If it wins me any points, my son managed the warehouse and loading dock at Flying Dog Ale Brewery in lower downtown Denver for a few years.

 

The owner, John Hickenlooper later became mayor or Denver and then Governor. He used to take employees to varous Denver sports games - Avs Hockey, Rockies Baseball, Nuggets Basketball, and a few other things (NOT Bronco games - those were just for the family). On one of many occasions, he took Kevin and two others guys to a final series Stanley Cup hockey game for the Colorado "Avs" (Avalanche). They sat on the end line that runs across the goal about four rows back frrom the front. The got to see Joe Sakic score the winning goal, in overtime, while lying on his stomach and partly behind the goal. Kevin said it was the most exciting sports moment he has ever enjoyed!

Later, Kevin got to have his picture taken with the Stanley Cup standing on the loading dock behind the brewery.


10/21/20 05:52 PM #8332    

 

John Jackson

I should respond to MM’s last post, but I’m sure it would only elicit groans after all this beer talk.  So she gets the last word.  

And I’m drinking a County Line IPA from Neshaminy Creek Brewers in nearby Croydon, PA as I write this.  A few years ago I made the life–changing discovery of  Ballast  Point Grapefruit Sculpin IPA, but I like the Neshaminy one even better.  The problem with IPA’s is that their alcoholic content is really high (starting at 6% and ranging up to 10% for double IPA’s) but this one comes in at the low end of the range at 6.2% (a fig leaf if ever there was one).

And, best of all, I’m not subjected  to any annoying affectations about the purity of the water used in the brewing process since the brewery is just a stone’s throw from the mighty Delaware River as it wends it way from Trenton to Philadelphia.


10/21/20 08:17 PM #8333    

 

Timothy Lavelle

John, 

Water from the Delaware River. 

Does it glow? 

National Catholic Reporter just dumped on Amy Coney Barrett. Just another commy plot.

And the pope thinks same sex marriages deserve civil protection. Just another commy plot. 

Those commies sure get around. 


10/21/20 10:02 PM #8334    

 

David Mitchell

John, Jim and Tim,

I think I must confess that I am not really much of a beer drinker. My three kids think anything that is thick and dark and heavy tasting, or is brewed in Ireland, Belgium, Denver or Portland (or cost three times what a domestic beer would cost) is high culture. 

Along the way, I have enjoyed Colorado Cool-aide (Coors - the "Banquet Beer), Hamm's ("from the land of sky blue wa-a-ter" (to the beat of Minnesota indian tom-toms), and Army stops in Texas with JAX and Lone Star.

So judge me as an amatuer, but I actually have a favorite beer that ifts the "none of the above" catgory. It is simple and comes in a clear glass bottle. It is the Champaign of Bottled Beers - Miller High Life. Oh, and I adhere strickly to the 10 commandments of food - only Pacifico, Sol, or Negro Modello with Mexican food. Corona will do in a pinch.

 

Truth be known, I'd prefer a cool glass of Pinot Grigio or a nice Sangiovese. 

Salud !


10/21/20 10:26 PM #8335    

 

Michael McLeod

the pope rocks. love is love. 

Also: it is just as hard for me to comprehend anybody who drinks ipa's as it is to fathom folks who favor the donald.If them's fightin' words so be it. 


10/22/20 11:39 AM #8336    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/letter-to-the-bishops-of-the-catholic-church-on-the-pastoral-care-of-homosexual-persons-2081

Mike,  it is just as hard for some of us to fathom those of you who believe the Biden/Harris agenda will uphold the Constituion to "form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Prosperity".


10/22/20 11:42 AM #8337    

 

Timothy Lavelle

Expect an e-mail from the Tehran Chapter, Proud Boys for IPA United. Pretty sure IPA is in the constitution. Yeah, second remembrant , that's where, you pinko commies.

Only socialust drink Miller. Hell it was even named after a dirty story by Chaucer...who drank only stout, or double hopped mead by the way.


10/22/20 12:59 PM #8338    

 

Michael McLeod

MM:

I'll drink to that.

Love to talk about noble sentiments but in the meantime I'm far more concerned with practical matters than ideology. I'll not go into the details, but that's what this election is about. The design of the boat itself isn't gonna matter much if we don't attend to bailing out the water and keeping it afloat.  It will help immensely to have a certain wackadoodle captain walk the plank. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlmanKoPLyo

 

On the Covid front - and I'll defer to my esteemed colleague, the good Dr. J., on this - but I was happy to see this in the news today. I've alway thought the emphasis on this very oblique method of transmission was misplaced, and took attention away from the best-practice fundamentals: washing your hands, wearing your mask, avoiding crowds, maintaining your health with exercise and good nutrition. Having said that: You want to wipe down your doornobs, sure. It could help. But I hate thinking people might ignore the other more important step that you can take to be safe. I can't believe the cdc is just now catching on to this.

 

"Although studies continue to show that the novel coronavirus can be detected on contaminated objects after days or weeks, a consensus has emerged among scientists that the virus is rarely transmitted through contact with tainted surfaces and that it’s safe to stop taking such extreme measures as quarantining your mail and wiping down your groceries.

“To the best of my knowledge, in real life, scientists like me — an epidemiologist and a physician — and virologists basically don’t worry too much about these things,” said David Morens, a senior adviser to the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Anthony S. Fauci.

That’s in line with advice from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which has updated its “How Covid-19 Spreads” Web page to say that “spread from touching surfaces is not thought to be a common way” the virus is transmitted."


10/22/20 02:46 PM #8339    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike McL., 

I tend to agree that the virus is not often transmitted from surfaces. That being said, not all surfaces are alike and some are more likely to retain viable viruses for longer times than others, such as wet ones and perhaps fabrics as opposed to steel and non-porous surfaces. My wife and I have not been overly cautious with things like doorknobs but are more attentive to kitchen countertops after placing sacks of groceries or our mail on them. Books, magazines and newspapers in places like libraries as well as clothing in department stores and second hand stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army,etc.) are of concern and some such places have instituted UV light treatments for "sanitizing". I know of no studies on this but UV is used in health care facilities and has been for some time even before the pandemic. UV light can kill many bacteria and viruses.

Viruses need cells in which to live and replicate and once out of that environment cannot survive forever. I still think it is up in the air (yes, a pun!) as to how long SARS-CoV-2 can live on various surfaces under various conditions (heat, cold, humidity, etc.) but, as I have often mentioned, this is a very strange virus. Another thought is what people are measuring when they talk about finding the virus on a surface. Is it a whole infectious virion particle or just a part of the virion that is not infectious?

Certainly, the basics of hygiene, distance and masks seem to have recurrently been shown to help prevent the spread of this pathogen. Ventilation systems also are an important factor in public buildings and gathering spaces.

Just recently some literature suggested that humans can infect cats and dogs with the virus but I think it is unsure whether the reverse is possible. More studies are needed. In the meantime, don't cough on your kittie or sneeze on your schnauzer!

Jim

 


10/23/20 12:34 AM #8340    

 

David Mitchell

Looks to me like the Forum posting updates are falling behind again????

 


10/23/20 01:10 PM #8341    

 

Timothy Lavelle

Anyone excited about Buckeye football?

Naahhh, pro'lly not...


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