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10/10/20 01:47 PM #8241    

 

Michael McLeod

yeah yeah bla bla they all do it. but not like this guy has. from the opening of yet another kickass nytime investigation. Pity is he's too old to do the time in jail he deserves.

 

IT WAS SPRINGTIME at President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club, and the favor-seekers were swarming.

In a gold-adorned ballroom filled with Republican donors, an Indian-born industrialist from Illinois pressed Mr. Trump to tweet about easing immigration rules for highly skilled workers and their children.

“He gave a million dollars,” the president told his guests approvingly, according to a recording of the April 2018 event.

Later that month, in the club’s dining room, the president wandered over to one of its newer members, an Australian cardboard magnate who had brought along a reporter to flaunt his access. Mr. Trump thanked him for taking out a newspaper ad hailing his role in the construction of an Ohio paper mill and box factory, whose grand opening the president would attend.

And in early March, a Tennessee real estate developer who had donated lavishly to the inauguration, and wanted billions in loans from the new administration, met the president at the club and asked him for help.

Mr. Trump waved over his personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen. “Get it done,” the president said, describing the developer as “a very important guy,” Mr. Cohen recalled in an interview.

Campaigning for president as a Washington outsider, Mr. Trump electrified rallies with his vows to “drain the swamp.”

 

But Mr. Trump did not merely fail to end Washington’s insider culture of lobbying and favor-seeking.

He reinvented it, turning his own hotels and resorts into the Beltway’s new back rooms, where public and private business mix and special interests reign.

As president-elect, he had pledged to step back from the Trump Organization and recuse himself from his private company’s operation. As president, he built a system of direct presidential influence-peddling unrivaled in modern American politics.

But once Mr. Trump was in the White House, his family business discovered a lucrative new revenue stream: people who wanted something from the president. An investigation by The Times found over 200 companies, special-interest groups and foreign governments that patronized Mr. Trump’s properties while reaping benefits from him and his administration. Nearly a quarter of those patrons have not been previously reported.

Federal tax-return data for Mr. Trump and his business empire, which was disclosed by The New York Times last month, showed that even as he leveraged his image as a successful businessman to win the presidency, large swaths of his real estate holdings were under financial stress, racking up losses over the preceding decades.

The tax records — along with membership rosters for Mar-a-Lago and the president’s golf club in Bedminster, N.J., as well as other sources — reveal how much money this new line of business was worth.


10/10/20 02:11 PM #8242    

 

David Mitchell

Mike B. 

(If it was me you were addressing)   I have also read some similar medical research articles - as is pointed out in one of Mary Margaret's links. (haven't read all three yet) It would seem to bear out my contention that Chump is not sincerely opposed to abortion, and will always seek whatever suits him to serve his own purpose.

Curiously, there is also research into the fact that the umbelical cords contain several useful ingrediants for similar theraputic uses - thus sparing the need for using embryos. But it has been a few years since I followed that story and I have sort of lost the trail on their progress. I am not well versed enough to know if they are succeeding in gaining any medical acceptance or even public attention.   

 


10/10/20 02:21 PM #8243    

 

David Mitchell

Mike M.,

Your post about Chump's financial dealings is quite interersting. And it seems to me it has all been so frightfully transparent. It's all been done with such boldness and in plain sight.

Your post about Chump's financial dealings is quite interersting. And it seems to me it has all been so frightfully transparent. It's all been done with such boldness and in plain sight.

 

But as I refered to earlier (and cannot find the video now that I need it) the NY Times has also gone deep into older Chump family trust dealings and their methods of funneling tens of millions to the children through their Real Estate holdings.  

But as I refered to earlier (and cannot find the video now that I need it) the NY Times has also gone deep into older Chump family trust dealings and their methods of funneling tens of millions to the children through their Real Estate holdings.  

 

(was it for extra emphasis, or just late when you wrote your post - lol)


10/10/20 02:59 PM #8244    

 

Michael McLeod

Named after his favorite tv station:

 

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. — The purported leader of an extremist plot to kidnap Michigan's governor was struggling financially and living in a storage space underneath a friend's vacuum shop after his girlfriend kicked him out of her home, according to people who know him.

 

Court papers portray Adam Fox as the leader behind the plot to abduct Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, as she either exited or entered one of her vacation homes.

Federal and state officials announced Thursday that they had arrested Fox and five other men on charges related to the kidnapping plot. Seven other suspects were arrested by state law enforcement on charges of providing support to terrorist acts.


10/10/20 03:02 PM #8245    

 

Michael McLeod

Dave - thanks, I have no idea why that happened. I fixed.


10/10/20 03:41 PM #8246    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

"Joe Biden — emerges as the king of the sweetheart deal, with no less than five family members benefiting from his largesse, favorable access and powerful position for commercial gain. In Biden’s case, these deals include foreign partners and, in some cases, even US taxpayer dollars.

The Biden family’s apparent self-enrichment involves five family members: Joe’s son Hunter, son-in-law Howard, brothers James and Frank, and sister Valerie. When this subject came up in 2019, Biden declared, “I never talked with my son or my brother or anyone else — even distant family — about their business interests. Period.”

As we will see, this is far from the case …

James Biden

Joe Biden’s younger brother, James, has been an integral part of the family political machine from the earliest days when he served as finance chair of Joe’s 1972 Senate campaign, and the two have remained quite close. After Joe joined the US Senate, he would bring his brother James along on congressional delegation trips to places like Ireland, Rome and Africa.

When Joe became vice president, James was a welcomed guest at the White House, securing invitations to such important functions as a state dinner in 2011 and the visit of Pope Francis in 2015. Sometimes, James’ White House visits dovetailed with his overseas business dealings, and his commercial opportunities flourished during his brother’s tenure as vice president.

Consider the case of HillStone International, a subsidiary of the huge construction management firm Hill International. The president of HillStone International was Kevin Justice, who grew up in Delaware and was a longtime Biden family friend. On Nov. 4, 2010, according to White House visitors’ logs, Justice visited the White House and met with Biden adviser Michele Smith in the Office of the Vice President.

Less than three weeks later, HillStone announced that James Biden would be joining the firm as an executive vice president. James appeared to have little or no background in housing construction, but that did not seem to matter to HillStone. His bio on the company’s website noted his “40 years of experience dealing with principals in business, political, legal and financial circles across the nation and internationally…”

James Biden was joining HillStone just as the firm was starting negotiations to win a massive contract in war-torn Iraq. Six months later, the firm announced a contract to build 100,000 homes. It was part of a $35 billion, 500,000-unit project deal won by TRAC Development, a South Korean company. HillStone also received a $22 million US federal government contract to manage a construction project for the State Department.

David Richter, son of the parent company’s founder, was not shy in explaining HillStone’s success in securing government contracts. It really helps, he told investors at a private meeting, to have “the brother of the vice president as a partner,” according to someone who was there.

The Iraq project was massive, perhaps the single most lucrative project for the firm ever.  HillStone officials expected the project to “generate $1.5 billion in revenues over the next three years.” That amounted to more than three times the revenue the company produced in 2011.

A group of minority partners, including James Biden, stood to split about $735 million. “There’s plenty of money for everyone if this project goes through,” said one company official.

The deal was all set, but HillStone made a crucial error. In 2013, the firm was forced to back out of the contract because of a series of problems, including a lack of experience by Hill and TRAC Development, its South Korean associate firm. But HillStone continued doing significant contract work in the embattled country, including a six-year contract with the US Army Corps of Engineers.

James Biden remained with Hill International, which accumulated contracts from the federal government for dozens of projects, including projects in the United States, Puerto Rico, Mozambique and elsewhere.

Hunter Biden

With the election of his father as vice president, Hunter Biden launched businesses fused to his father’s power that led him to lucrative deals with a rogue’s gallery of governments and oligarchs around the world. Sometimes he would hitch a prominent ride with his father aboard Air Force Two to visit a country where he was courting business. Other times, the deals would be done more discreetly. Always they involved foreign entities that appeared to be seeking something from his father.

There was, for example, Hunter’s involvement with an entity called Burnham Financial Group, where his business partner Devon Archer — who’d been at Yale with Hunter — sat on the board of directors. Burnham became the vehicle for a number of murky deals abroad, involving connected oligarchs in Kazakhstan and state-owned businesses in China.

But one of the most troubling Burnham ventures was here in the United States, in which Burnham became the center of a federal investigation involving a $60 million fraud scheme against one of the poorest Indian tribes in America, the Oglala Sioux.

Devon Archer was arrested in New York in May 2016 and charged with “orchestrating a scheme to defraud investors and a Native American tribal entity of tens of millions of dollars.” Other victims of the fraud included several public and union pension plans. Although Hunter Biden was not charged in the case, his fingerprints were all over Burnham. The “legitimacy” that his name and political status as the vice president’s son lent to the plan was brought up repeatedly in the trial.

The scheme was explicitly designed to target pension funds that had “socially responsible investing” clauses, including pension funds of labor union organizations that had publicly supported Joe Biden’s political campaigns in the past. Indeed, eight of the 11 pension funds that lost their money were either government employee or labor union pension funds. Joe Biden has “a long-standing alliance with labor.” He closely identifies with organized labor. “I make no apologies,” he has said. “I am a union man, period.” And many public unions have endorsed him over the years.

Transcripts from Archer’s trial offer a clearer picture of Hunter Biden’s role at Burnham Asset Management, in particular, the fact that the firm relied on his father’s name and political status as a means of both recruiting pension money into the scheme and alleviating investors’ concerns. Tim Anderson, a lawyer who did legal work on the issuance of the tribal bonds, recounts seeing Hunter while visiting the Burnham office in New York City to meet with Bevan Cooney, who was later convicted in the case.

The political ties that Biden and Archer had were considered key to the Burnham brand. As stated in an August 2014 email, Jason Galanis, who was convicted in the bond scheme, agreed with an unidentified associate who also thought the company had “value beyond capital” because of their political connections.  In the closing arguments at the trial, one of Archer’s defense attorneys, Matthew Schwartz, explained to the jury that it was impossible to talk about the bond scheme without mentioning Hunter Biden’s name. This “was perfectly sensible,” according to Schwartz, “because Hunter Biden was part of the Burnham team.”

Howard Krein

It would be a dream for any new company to announce their launch in the Oval Office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.  StartUp Health is an investment consultancy based out of New York City, and in June 2011, the company barely had a website. The firm was the brainchild of three siblings from Philadelphia. Steven Krein is CEO and co-founder, while his brother, Dr. Howard Krein, serves as chief medical officer. Sister Bari serves as the firm’s chief strategy officer. A friend named Unity Stoakes is a co-founder and serves as president.

StartUp Health was barely up and running when, in June 2011, two of the company’s executives were ushered into the Oval Office of the White House. They met with President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden. The following day, the new company would be featured at a large health care tech conference being run by the US Department of Health and Human Services, and StartUp Health executives became regular visitors to the White House, attending events in 2011, 2014 and 2015.

How did StartUp Health gain access to the highest levels of power in Washington? There was nothing particularly unique about the company, but for this:  The chief medical officer of StartUp Health, Howard Krein, is married to Joe Biden’s youngest daughter, Ashley.

“I happened to be talking to my father-in-law that day and I mentioned Steve and Unity were down there [in Washington, DC],” recalled Howard Krein. “He knew about StartUp Health and was a big fan of it. He asked for Steve’s number and said, ‘I have to get them up here to talk with Barack.’ The Secret Service came and got Steve and Unity and brought them to the Oval Office.”

StartUp Health offers to provide new companies technical and relationship advice in exchange for a stake in the business. Demonstrating and highlighting the fact that you can score a meeting with the president of the United States certainly helps prove a strategic company asset: high-level contacts.  Vice President Joe Biden continued to help Krein promote his company at several appearances through his last months in the White House, including one in January 2017, where he made a surprise showing at the StartUp Health Festival in San Francisco. The corporate event, open only to StartUp Health members, enabled the 250 people in attendance to chat in a closed session with the vice president.

Frank Biden

In late March 2009, Vice President Joe Biden landed in Costa Rica aboard Air Force Two, and went to the Costa Rican presidential palace for a one-on-one with President Oscar Arias. The Biden visit had symbolic significance. The last time a high-ranking American official had visited the country was back in 1997, when Bill Clinton had come.

Joe Biden’s trip to Costa Rica came at a fortuitous time for his brother Frank, who was busy working deals in the country. Just months after Vice President Biden’s visit, in August, Costa Rica News announced a new multilateral partnership “to reform Real Estate in Latin America” among Frank Biden, a developer named Craig Williamson, and the Guanacaste Country Club, a newly planned resort. The partnership, which appears to be ongoing, was wrapped in a beautiful package as a “call on resources available to the companies and individuals to reform the social, economic and environmental practices of real estate developers across the world by example.”

In real terms, Frank’s dream was to build in the jungles of Costa Rica thousands of homes, a world-class golf course, casinos, and an anti-aging center. The Costa Rican government was eager to cooperate with the vice president’s brother. As it happened, Joe Biden had been asked by President Obama to act as the administration’s point man in Latin America and the Caribbean.

Frank’s vision for a country club in Costa Rica received support from the highest levels of the Costa Rican government — despite his lack of experience in building such developments. He met with the Costa Rican ministers of education and energy and environment, as well as the president of the country.

On Oct. 4, 2016, the Costa Rican Ministry of Public Education signed a letter of intent with Frank’s company, Sun Fund Americas. The project involved allowing a company called GoSolar to operate solar power facilities in Costa Rica. The previous year, the Obama-Biden administration’s OPIC had authorized a $6.5 million taxpayer-backed loan for the project.

In June 2014, Vice President Biden announced the launch of the Caribbean Energy Security Initiative (CESI). The program called for increasing access to financing for Caribbean energy projects that he strongly supported. American taxpayer dollars were dedicated to facilitating deals that matched US government financing with local energy projects in Caribbean countries, including Jamaica. In January 2015, USAID announced that it would be spending $10 million to boost renewable energy projects in Jamaica over the next five years.

After Joe Biden brought together leaders for CESI, brother Frank’s firm Sun Fund Americas announced that it was “engaged in projects and is in negotiations with governments of other countries in the [Caribbean] region for both its Solar and Waste to Energy development services.” As if to push the idea along, the Obama administration’s OPIC provided a $47.5 million loan to support the construction of a 20-megawatt solar facility in Clarendon, Jamaica.  Frank Biden’s Sun Fund Americas later announced that it had signed a power purchase agreement to build a 20-megawatt solar facility in Jamaica.

Valerie Biden Owens

During his years in the Senate, Biden’s family benefited financially in other ways as he leveraged political power. Joe’s sister Valerie ran all of his Senate campaigns, as well as his presidential runs in 1988 and 2008. But she was also a senior partner in a political messaging firm named Joe Slade White & Company; the only two executives listed at the firm were Joe Slade White and Valerie.

The firm received large fees from the Biden campaigns that Valerie was running. Two and a half million dollars in consulting fees flowed to her firm from Citizens for Biden and Biden For President Inc. during the 2008 presidential bid alone.  Joe Slade White & Company worked for Biden campaigns over 18 years.'"


10/10/20 08:16 PM #8247    

 

Timothy Lavelle

Texas played Oklahoma today. I'm not a big fan of either team but it is a yearly brawl similar to OSU VS MICHIGAN so I was in. Free beer in my refrigerator! 

When the two teams were getting ready to take the field, I noticed the QB for Texas was in the middle of his team, everyone with masks on EXCEPT HIM. (strike one)

Texas kicked off to OK. On that play two Texas players took the opportunity to act like thugs, shoving around three OK players to show "we mean business". (strikes two and three)

I rooted against Texas the whole game because they acted like jerks right from the git.

We make decisions like that sometimes. Choosing to support that team that fits in with how we see life. Or choosing against a team that insults our world view.

Alternatively, if we are raised in Texas we root for Texas no matter what.

Like being raised in Texas, I would bet money that many of you vote red or blue based on the prevalent political party that was part of your household growing up. If so, this is your written invitation to give that a thought.

This season, the Republican team is headed by a man who does not love this country. Does not give a single thought to anyone but uimself.The Republican team curently has members that were completely disgusted that this man was even seeking election, like Ted Cruz and Lyndsey Graham. Both have shamed themselves in four years right down to the bone. Yet the only one, the only Republican with guts enough to not only believe this president was false, but then to do something about it was McCain. A POW as you recall, denigrated almost immediately by this man.

You can say anything you want here. About anyone. Public forum. But in private, when you use that pen or pull that lever please remember what you really honor in life, that there are teams to support and teams that shame the game. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 


10/11/20 09:48 AM #8248    

 

John Jackson

MM, I notice you did not give a citation for the article you posted about the Biden’s financial dealings presumably because it from one of the many far right websites with highly checkered reputations for reporting accuracy.

And if the conduct is as egregious as alleged, I think it is just a tad surprising that Bill Barr and his now ultra-politicized Justice Department have not seen fit to bring indictments in this political year.

But even if every allegation is true, the conduct described is petty in comparison to the industrial scale fraud that Trump, his money-grubbing kids, and the Trump Organization as a whole have engaged in.  

Trump’s financial dealings (including bank fraud, tax fraud and money laundering) are the subject of a whole host of pending actions by the Southern District of New York (the branch of the Justice Department responsible for prosecuting crimes in New York where the Trump organization is based).  Barr is using every tool at his disposal to quash these actions and if there is a second Trump term, he will undoubtedly succeed.   But if Trump loses, the investigations are well under way and there will be some jaw-dropping indictments.

In addition, since many of Trump’s fraudulent actions are also violations of state law, New York State is preparing a similar slate of criminal and civil actions against the Trump Organization.

For now Trump is protected by the long-standing (from way before Barr) Justice Department opinion that a sitting President cannot be indicted.  He would also largely  be protected if he is re-elected to a second term because the statute of limitations will run out for most of the charges.

Normally, people with the skeletons Trump has in his closet don’t seek high office because it invites a level of scrutiny they would otherwise be spared.  Not a good choice on Trump’s part but, then again, he’s never been known for his smarts.

As the opinion polls roll in, there‘s a reason that his already unhinged behavior has become even more bizarre and delusional (if that’s even possible):  unless he pulls the rabbit out of the hat once again, Trump knows that he, his kids, and the entire Trump Organization are going to be in an unending world of legal hurt with the very real prospect of jail time for some or all of them.


10/11/20 12:36 PM #8249    

 

Michael McLeod

As a follow-up to your post, John:

There is speculation and some specific evidence - statements made by Trump - that he did not expect to win.

His campaign was just a publicity stunt - more than that, an effort to magnify his brand.

He quite likely ran for president never thinking of how closely examined his questionable business strategies would be if he did, indeed, win the office.

If you have followed his story you know that he was in deep financial caca and was rescued from it by that "You're Fired" reality show, whose popularity made him millions in promotional deals of various products. He became a celebrity, and it bailed him out of various failing businesses. He was on the ropes, financially, and that show saved him. It makes sense that he assumed the presidential campaign would enlarge his brand even more. If you have read about his early years of self promotion in New York - when he would pretend to be someone else and call reporters at the New York Times with tips about how they should be writing about this really cool up and comer named Donald Trump - you understand it's in keeping with his phoney-ass ways.

I'll try to track down that citation where a close associate confirmed that Trump was shocked by winning the presidency.

But hey, enough of that, let's talk more about Obamagate and Hillary's emails. Then we can go about prosecuting Biden.

 

 

Ok Here it is:

No one on Donald Trump's presidential campaign team thought Trump would actually become president—and they didn't really want him to either, according to excerpts from Michael Wolff's book published Wednesday in New York magazine.

Now-President Trump, Vice President Mike Pence, Donald Trump Jr., campaign manager Kellyanne Conway and first lady Melania Trump were all reportedly left dumbfounded and afraid on the night of the election in 2016, the book claims. Shortly after 8 on election night, it became clear that Trump had a real shot of becoming president. Wolff wrote that Don Jr. said his father "looked as if he had seen a ghost. Melania was in tears—and not of joy." Steve Bannon, who helped run the Trump campaign and helped Trump's team through the transition, said he saw Trump morph from "a disbelieving Trump and then into a horrified Trump."

The passages are from Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House,” Michael Wolff’s account of President Trump’s early tenure, which sold more than four million copies, spawned a TV deal, prompted the president to threaten legal action and led to the ouster of Stephen K. Bannon from the White House and Breitbart News.

Here's a warning about the source: He is a NYC gossip guy with great sources. But he is no Bob Woodward.  A second book by Wolff, “Siege: Trump Under Fire," which portrayed a president with a strained relationship to the truth, raised questions about the writer's own adherence to the facts. Minor errors cropped up; anecdotes were denied.

Yet no one that I know of has stepped forward with any credibility to contradict the reporting in that first book that the presidency campaign was just a publicity stunt that went wrong - not just for Trump but for our whole damn country, if I may say so.

I also think the report of Trump and company being baffled and chagrined at the win has been verified by other sources but I don't have time to search. I don't hear much talk about it so I do not know if it's widely known, and if it is, I apologize for going on so long about it.

 

 

 

 

 


10/11/20 01:25 PM #8250    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

It never ceases to amaze me how there is no article, no video, no presentation of information that can not be accepted as valid by some unless it is cited by the NYT, the Washington Post, the Atlantic ABC, NBC, CBS.  Pretty much all of journalism now leans left, just as do university professors. If this is an untrue statement, please show me the data. And you are right, John, I didn't cite the source because from past experience I knew that the author of the article would be dismissed as "biased" and therefore the content of the article invalid.

There are skeletons in nearly every famous person's closet as the information I posted alludes to......same goes for all those named in the newly released, unredacted documents about the participants in the Russia/Trump collusion lies.  

To Tim's point about those who vote the party of their parents, there is truth in that due to the fact that our parents are our very first teachers from whom we learned our value system and our worldviews. I have been reading and listening to many who have voted that way in the past, but who are switching sides in this election. Republican Voters Against Trump is one organization, and the #Walkaway Campaign (Democrats voting for Trump) is another.     


10/11/20 03:27 PM #8251    

 

Michael McLeod

Re: the conservative/liberal question, here's some interesting and I think legit stats from Gallup:

 

  • Slight plurality of Americans in 2019 identified as conservative (37%)
  • Moderates nearly as high, at 35%, while 24% were liberal
  • Movement toward liberalism has slowed among Democrats, though still top group

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As Americans continued to lean more Democratic than Republican in their party preferences in 2019, the ideological balance of the country remained center-right, with 37% of Americans, on average, identifying as conservative during the year, 35% as moderate and 24% as liberal.

 

The 2019 findings are based on combined data from 21 Gallup telephone surveys conducted throughout the year, encompassing over 29,000 interviews with U.S. adults.

The percentage identifying as conservative in 2019 was up two points from the 35% measured in 2018, while the percentage liberal was down two points from 26%. While these changes are statistically significant, some two-point changes in the past were short-lived, so it will be important to see whether these trends continue in 2020.

Regardless, conservatives and moderates remain closely matched in U.S. ideological preferences, as they have been since 2015. This follows several years -- from 2009 to 2014 -- when conservatives consistently outnumbered moderates. Before that, from 1999 to 2008, the two groups were about even, whereas from 1992 to 1998, moderates generally had the slight edge.

Meanwhile, liberal identification has gradually expanded over the past two decades, rising from 16% in 1996 to 19% by the late 1990s, 20% during George W. Bush's presidency, an average 23% during Barack Obama's presidency and 25% since Donald Trump took office.

 


10/11/20 05:27 PM #8252    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

My post was referring to the overwhelming percentage of progressive/liberal journalists who report for the named media sources (NYT, in particular) and the disparity in the universities, especially in the humanities and social sciences, which hire significantly less conservative instructors.

 


10/11/20 08:38 PM #8253    

 

John Jackson

MM, the sources I cite (New York Times Washington Post, etc) are indeed mainstream which means they are read not only by people like me but also by many on the other side of the fence who are anxious to pounce on the slightest hint of inaccuracy or inconsistency.  Knowing that they are so highly scrutinized makes the mainstream media (MSM as you call them) accountable in a way that right wing websites, that exist in the remotest corners of the internet and which are read only by true believers, are not.

I think we all know by now that just because you can find something, somewhere on the internet to quote in support of your views, it doesn’t make it true.  With that in mind, I’m a bit surprised, that even after prodding, you don’t feel the need to name the source for your previous post.

One of the most exasperating things about the right is that whenever they lose the argument (a good example of this is climate change where the debate is utterly over) or when other uncomfortable facts come to light, they immediately start working the refs, alleging bias, radical left wing collusion, etc.

If the reporting on the news (not the opinion) pages of The New York times, Washington Post etc, is so outlandishly fictional it should be easy for those on the right to document and challenge their lies in much the same way the MSM calls out Trump’s incessant lying.

And the vast majority of “biased“ reporting is not based on “unnamed sources” but on verbatim quotes of Trump public statements or  tweets.  Trump is his own worst enemy – no need for the MSM  to invent facts or statements - the utterly wild and crazy things he says daily are all out there in the public record.


10/11/20 10:13 PM #8254    

 

Michael McLeod

I understood your post, mm. I just went in another direction out of my own curiosity.

You are correct about journalists and educators tending to be more liberal but your assumption that conservatives just don't get hired is, I think, presumptuous.

Let me know if you have anything to support it.

I could just as well make another assumption - that smart, educated, well-informed and well-read people who can use their brains to earn jobs in academia or journalism are the kind of broad-minded, progressive people who are more likely to come to conclusions that are characterized by other people as liberal.

Since I was a b- student at best and have managed to eke out a career combining both  journalism and education, I wouldn't exactly be a poster boy for that theory.

My sense of conservatives is that they are absolutists. They have firm and unshakeable beliefs. I may be wrong. All I know is I have discovered different ways of looking at things over the decades as a journalist and as a college professor.

Anyway, I can see how conservatives would SAY that they are kept out of the two professions, but I'd love to see evidence of it as a definite pattern.  

At the newspapers where I worked, there tended to be lots of conservatives in the sports department and a few elsewhere - including all the high-ranking editors when I worked in Pensacola, and a syndicated editorial writer named Charlie Reese in Orlando, with whom I became friends. The real big shots, the newspaper publishers, were not infrequently conservatives. But overall, yes, conservatives were clearly outnumbered. Which didn't keep me from drinking with them after work. 


10/12/20 12:51 AM #8255    

 

David Mitchell

Much as I hate to interrrupt this jovial roundatable, I feel what I have to say is of desperate importance to all readers.

 

My dear friends, especially those of you non-believing, heathens, and doubters who may be headed straight into the darkness and the eternal wailing and gnashing of teeth, I have just come upon some information that gives incontrovertible proof that there is a God. 

 

If I may be permitted to go back a ways. 

Some 40 odd (or even) years ago, my wife and I discovered the unique joys of a phenomenon known as "PUBLIC TV".  It was Channel 31 in Denver and it had something I will simply call - "different stuff". (you may substitute a more hip term there is you care to). There was even one night each week when they showed a Japanese language film for a significant Japanese-Americn population in near north side of downtown Denver.

(One of my all-time favorite films was the Japanese language film from WW2 titled "The Harp of Burma". (a B&W masterpiece about a compnay of Japanese soldiers in the Pacific with one member who plays the harp and become a Buddhist monk after they are all in a American Prison camp - exquisite!)

Anyway, Mary and I got really interested in a drama series from olden days in Scotland, but I have no memory of the details at all - we simply liked it. Then came a show that sunk the "hook" deeply into both of our psyche's. It was a series from a book that had become terribly popular, written by a Englishman names James Harriot.  The book and the series was titled, "All Creatures Great and Small". It told the story of three vetinarians between the two world wars in a small town up in the English county of Yorkshire. It was funny, serious, and wonderful!

We quickly grew addicted. And fed off this show for several years. We were so sad to see it end.

It began a life-long addiction to many of the programs. In recent years, "PBS" (and I have two PBS stations down here) reached the peak of their grandeur with a little production you may have heard of - "Downton Abbey". I don't think I have ever enjoyed any series on TV more than "D.A.".

But then followed some good ones - Poldark, Victoria, and another delight - "Doc Martin". They sustained my addiction. Also pretty good were "Grandchester," and "Call the Mid-wife", "Luther", and "Baptiste"

However, in one single year I had to endure the loss of both Downton Abbey and, my Sunday afternoons getting to hear a tall man in a blue helmet stick his hands up between another man's hind end and call out,  "Omaha!, Omaha!  Two tragic losses in the same year!  The losses were devasting!

And so also passed 'Doc Martin", "Victoria" and "Poldark"..... Whoa is me!

I have been brought to me knees, asking God if there would be an end to my suffering? (kind'a Biblical don'cha think?)

But finally, tonight, HE answered my prayers. I have just seen the previews of a "new" PBS British series, with an all-new cast - and it appears to be a good one. 

PBS will soon begin a new production of,,,wait for it,,,"All Creatures, Great and Small" !!!

Surely, there IS  a God !!!!!!!


10/12/20 10:22 AM #8256    

 

Frank Ganley

And now the rhetoric is being amped up and that we of the right gave lost our mind, our values and our soul if we choose Our great President , Donald J Trump. Looking back in history such muck-racking and carping against one candidate we would have to go back to the campaign of Andrew Jackson.But at no time in our history has the supporters of one candidate have been castigated , shunned and disrespected such as been hurled at those that support Trump. Friends have been lost over our choice in what we believe in. I cite my plea to my learned friend(as  far as I feel) Mr LaVelle's total rejection of my pleas for even a promised non- political conversation ! Where does this make sense? This is worse than the radically inspired Muslims hatred for the christian world. I am both hurt and confused by this behavior but i ogress . Let us breakdown Mr LaVelle 's latest piece of brilliance . Two footballs tans meet and a an has no mask! These athletic specimens are checked on more than farmer brown's wife watches her prize winning pies as she readies them for the fair! Next he rooted for the team that did not act so brutish. Can you imagine Woody Hayes sending our beloved buckeyes into the field with his last words of encouragement being, now play nice with the other boys! Yea right! Who in their right mind would state that Our Great PresidentTrump does not love America? American is the only place where one can achieve all of what you want. 10 years ago everyone loved him , wanted to be with him , received money from him but now hated because he's a bully, a fighter, a more than equal opportunity employer as more than 50% of his top management are women! Oh he hates blacks, he dated a very dark beautiful woman for years   He's a messaginist, I wonder if he does deep tissue for$50 an hour. Name a piece of legislature he passes that does not benefit all.!!! Oh his tax break helped the very rich , good, eliminate that and soon the rich man quits. Did gates benefit or buffet or and of the other billionaires, of course they did and what did they do with it, put it in their charities. How about his prison reform ? Did he benefit no, did you, no but those that knew that life sure did. The WALL, we don't have that problem anymore , who benefitted , the poor. How say you! He protected the American farm the American farm worker, we would have benefitted with cheaper goods but high welfare.everyone who ran for president (16) hated each other in the race but buried the hatchet when it was over . KarenKaren you can get off your knees now you have the job called Biden every hatefilled term in the book except maybe the Devil Incarnate during their debates now all lovey dovey so Karmela can get off her knees now! When I pull that lever I am protecting our way of life not a communist, socialized country . Be careful on the left what you wish for . Oh I know all you lubbers will have something to say, idiot, how can you say that. Surprisingly we say that about your side but because we fear the loss of friendship , the ability to have an exchange of views even sports we choose to let it be. Whether we hold a 55th year class reunion remains to be seen! But I'll give you a quick picture of it. The room must be large, very large. Not for the numbers but for the separation. Po po you say, I've been to many gathering where this occurs. Few will attend, fighting will take place at least verbal sparing and it will be a quick nite. All this will come to pass unless something is done about this. God bless the USA, God bless Donald Trump and May God keep us and love us, Bless you     

 


10/12/20 10:57 AM #8257    

 

Michael McLeod

I may have problems with what you say, Frank, but I gotta stand back and slowly shake my head and compliment you for how you say it. It's damn sure nobody can say we didn't have a colorful class. If I come to the reunion I'll be sure to bring a bodyguard. You think I'm going to risk having Mary Margaret kick my ass?


10/12/20 06:06 PM #8258    

Mary Clare Hummer (Bauer)

We are better people than that, Frank. Every reunion committee I've ever been on has worked tirelessly to make sure it is a fun, memorable time. People like Janie and Toni and Lynn and MM and Fred and Kathy W. and Bonnie and Mike Boulware and many more. If we ever get to have another one, I'm sure you will find friends with whom you can share past fun, mischief, and kindnesses. I hope you wouldn't come looking for "fighting" or "verbal sparing"(sic).  We are, you know, getting too old for too much excitement!!!  
 Clare


10/12/20 08:20 PM #8259    

 

David Mitchell

HEAR!   HEAR!


10/12/20 09:51 PM #8260    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Friends,

 Many years ago the military, in response to problems resulting from cases of sexual harassment (language or otherwise), instituted the "Red Flag" call wherein a person feeling uncomfortable with a situation or conversation need only to state "Red Flag! " to warn that this needs to stop right now. In federal or military service not heeding that warning would have consequences.

My question to all of our classmates is: Should we all agree that at our reunion (hopefully we will be able to celebrate one)  political discussions will be off limits and, if someone feels the need to do so, to offer a ​​​​​​pleasant "RedFlag" request? Of couse, without any miltary type consequences 😁!

Is this a good or bad idea?

Jim 


10/12/20 10:03 PM #8261    

 

John Jackson

I heartily endorse Jim’s idea because, like Mike M, I can’t even imagine standing up to MM in person.


10/12/20 11:52 PM #8262    

 

Michael McLeod

Just thinking about it makes me tinkle.


10/12/20 11:55 PM #8263    

 

David Barbour

Hey, MM is a sweetheart.  I don't think she deserves to be cut down here.  Perhaps we could disallow

pens and paper and screens of any sort.  But I love her, she is always polite and even helpful.  Let us 

remember we are christian( most of us) and grew up with parents who gave their best that we might be

good and just people.  I won't be bringing a bodyguard although maybe I'll need to wear my glasses and a 

dress( she wouldn't hit a poor nearsighted woman!!)  Just kidding, MM, about the glasses, not the dress!

Nice chance to wear those new pumps.

Many blessings,

DB


10/13/20 02:01 AM #8264    

 

Frank Ganley

You have all missed my point,  with the air of political animosity hanging over our heads at the present time ,my fear is that it could put a damper on the reunion. As I stated Mr LaVelle has decided to not to communicate with me over my political views.  If anyone really knows me I am not interested in confrontation, I have dedicated my entire life to fun!  Why do you think I chose the PGA OFAMERICA as my career I taught a game, played the game and all I did was have an enormous amount of FUN doing it. School subjects I liked history, English  the reading classes fun, hated all math and Latin and Spanish not fun so I created my own fun ergo ( Latin word) I had a very long relationship with Fr Durbine and thee Mouse. So to think that I would come to reunion with the idea of confrontation knows me not. My life today consists of going to the golf club where I belong and have all day fun,daily snooker games. It's a pocket bill yard game but a little more demanding; and giving almost nightly musical concerts to my wife playing one of my many guitars. All of these activities are fun and most can be played with beer; bourbon or bongs to add to its fun. My discussions of politics comes after I have read and have been bracketed  as stupid, immoral and other unfavorable names due to my belief. So if you see me it's going to be somewhere having fun,making jokes, and most likely have a bourbon nearby. I close with this thought, I believe as fervently and passionately as you on the left, you are convinced you are right as we on the right I just won't drop a friend because you think differently. . So stop with the you're right and Trump is this or that. Discuss not fight, if you want to solve world problems smoke a big blunt and a bourbon on the rocks and enjoy life, and remember don't sweat the small stuff and all problems are the small stuff. 


10/13/20 09:52 AM #8265    

 

John Jackson

My post about not standing up to MM was not meant to be unkind, but instead an attempt to make light of our disagreements and extend an olive branch.  Apologies to all if I was clumsy.

And I was serious about seconding Jim's suggestion.


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