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07/06/19 12:35 AM #5656    

 

Michael McLeod

Gotta love how an odd subject catches our attention.

Who knew it would be tanks?

And where would this country be if they hadn't used them as snowplows at Valley Forge? 


07/06/19 02:06 AM #5657    

 

David Mitchell

Pardon this late night spasm but I am moved to want to offer my "tanks" for life, liberty, and the pursuit of music.  I probably did this same one last year - but it's my brain slipping into decay that causes this problem. To err is human, to fogive is divine - - right ?                      So be kind and humor this old man

As I may have explained last year, this is from one of Pavoratti's 8 or 10 years of annual "War Child" concerts from his home town of Modena Italy. He used to throwt hese to raise money for his music school for the children of Sarajevo following the war in Yugoslavia.

Over the years, he would gather the most diverse bunch of American and European Rock and Pop artists and put them together in a cool mix of crossover performances ranging from Rock to Classsical. They almost always worked - a very few numbers didn't. On one of these early albums (of the two CDs that I bought) I first discovered a very young Andrea Bocelli - about 25+ years ago now. As the song ends you will see most of that year's cast - Cheryl Crow, Liza Minelli, Joan Osborne, John Secada (remember him), Zucherro (a realy coool Italian rock singer - in long hair and dark glasses), and others I do not know. Hidden behind the group (you only get a couple quick views) is a rather well known guitarist from England who hangs out part-time in Powell Ohio with his young Watterson wife. On this same album, he does a duet with Pavorattti on "Holy Mother" that just knocks me out!

 I hope someday we will all live like horses - and be free.




07/06/19 02:26 AM #5658    

 

David Mitchell

Oh heck, as Ernie Banks would say, "let's play 2"

I promise I'll stop before I put one more up here - but his duet with Tracey Chapman on  "Baby Can I hold You Tonight" is terrific too. 




07/06/19 11:13 AM #5659    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Dave.....what great music to wake up to this morning!!!  Thank you for sharing,  I am friends with Jack Besanceney on Facebook and he enjoys sharing music from various artists, mostly from the 60's and 70's.  Music is a wonderful way to elicit our emotions and stir our memories.  And so, as we have been gathering on this site for the past 5,000 plus posts.....here is one that I have shared with my family, hoping that they will always appreciate the profound meaning of its lyrics.  I offer it now to all of you...those who prefer to remain readers and those who post.  Keeping in mind that regardless of our political or religious persuasions, we remain bonded in sincere care and concern for each other and the common good of all.




07/06/19 11:21 AM #5660    

 

David Mitchell

Well Mike,

I guess that about covers it. In one week we delved into more exciting topics than the previoue years on the forum put together, From John Hickey to tanks and throw in a double Pavoratti. I can't concieve of any other topic in existence. I guess we can call Janie and tell her to shut the site down. 

Man, it's been a fun ride. Enjoy your weekend everybody.

Stay safe Mark.

 

Good Night Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are. 

 

Whoops, didn't see that last one from MM. A favorite song from our MMFChrist retreats. 


07/06/19 11:40 AM #5661    

 

Michael McLeod

When its comes to the discussion about tanks, Dave, I wouldn't dare disagree with you. I mean, all I can say is: sure, man.


07/06/19 01:48 PM #5662    

 

David Mitchell

True confession:

I don't recall EVER even seeing a tank. All I ever knew I just learned from Jack's post. 


07/06/19 03:56 PM #5663    

 

John Maxwell

Mike, see you in Annendale or wherever you said. California is rockin'! Hope Mark is still land locked. These are exciting times. Or boring depending on one's perspective.
Dre Jim, sorry if I mistook your lament for romance. I only wanted to give you a taste of my reality. Granted, not as comprehensive as some of WO Mitchell's recollections, but I think you get the idea. While in the service a lot of the troops came down with severe cases of FTA syndrome. I guess my post was slight case of a fashback.
Tim, my brief duty as Honor Guard wasn't because I was a poster boy recruit, it was simply the duty assigned me by my first sgt. I had just requested a transfer back to Vietnam and I guess he figured I could use some light duty, before I left. I pallbared about six or seven funerals. Military funerals are odd to begin with, but one really sticks out in my memory. It was in Ohio near Cincinnati. This Spec 5 stationed in Germany had died from complications related to his diabetes. He had been in the service for over 15 years, considered a lifer, and just died. After all the pomp and circumstance at the funeral home and church, our detail drove out to the cemetary. The location was a ways out of the small town where the funeral home was located. As our van rolled onto the property, the first thing I noticed was the fog hugging the ground, then there was the hills and vales, old tilted tombstones, indicating the age of the graveyard. As we made our final turn to the gavesite a mule began to bray, echoing through the foggy mist, and there stood a man the size of Shaquille O'Neill standing in the grave he dug for the Specialist. I haven't mentioned it but the Spec 5 was African American. It was my first Black funeral. As we neared the grave Shaq climbed out of the hole. The hearse rolled up next followed by next of kin in limos and the rest of the mourners. The detail move into position. The pallbearers took control of the casket, and the firing squad and bugler moved about 30 yards away from the gravesight. As we moved toward the grave, Shaq made the final prep around the hole he'd dug. It consisted of throwing two boards on either side of the hole and some indoor/outdoor carpet on the boards. He had already lowered the bier into the hole. The device to lower the casket into the grave. As we eased the remains over the hole and set it on the bier, I noticed the overall instability of the astroturf covered boards we were standing on. There was a slight slope into the hole and just enough room for someone to slip into the hole. There was no room to maneuver on the board and we had to fold the flag yet. As the mourners neared the gravesight, I began to hear whimpering and crying. My back was to the mourners. The minister said his piece, then the officer in charge then gave the order, ready, aim, fire! and the fun began. It is a tradition to fire a twenty-one gun salute at military funerals. But as soon as the squad squeezed off that first round, chaos ensued, first the screaming, then running and hiding, Fire! The second round of three. Followed by the OIC's attempt along with the minister's attempts to assure the group of mourners that they weren't being fired upon. Once they realized it was part of the ceremony, naturally everyone got calm. I could hear several people vomiting and really loud crying, wailing and weeping. I could see in the eyes of my fellow pall bearers the gravity of the situation, but I couldn't move for fear I would disappear into the hole. Anyway we folded the flag as the bugler blew taps, presented the flag to the Specialist's wife, and marched back to the van.
Never saw anything like that again. It's funny, in my minds eye it always plays out in slow motion. I think the mule braying, the atmospherics and the grave digger made it a beautiful experience. Certainly not one I'll ever forget.

07/06/19 04:12 PM #5664    

 

Michael McLeod

Jack. That is a very sad but also a very beautiful story.

Here's another funeral piece. Sorry to be so somber but it happens.

(I didn't write this. Note byline below.)

 

KINGSTON, R.I. — Where the black hearse had stopped, the honor guard began: nearly 60 journalists standing in silent formation outside a church on a rural New England road. On another morning we might be enemy combatants, but here we stood in solidarity, representing television stations, radio outlets, newspapers. The media.

One of ours had died. Jim Taricani had been a Rhode Island television reporter so formidable that Providence Journal reporters like me would dread six o’clock each night, for fear of another Taricani scoop about the scandal du jour in Pawtucket, Woonsocket or the State House. He was 69 when he died late last month, and had been contending with health problems for as long as most of us had known him.

 

Now came the pause just before the gray-gloved pallbearers present the coffin to the white-robed priest — when death sheds its last vestige of abstraction. And in that solemn stillness, a man standing on the quiet road shouted a full-throated expletive that included the choice:

“Burn in hell!”

None of the journalists ran to confront him. After all, he had merely exercised his freedom of speech. A few of us even imagined how Mr. Taricani might have relished the boorish disruption of somber ritual.

 

But the hateful bellow had unintentionally underscored why we had gathered, each of us wearing a symbol of the power of the word — a golden quill — pinned to our chest.

More than anything, it was to honor a fearless reporter — a mentor to many, including CNN’s Christiane Amanpour — who had paid a price for his journalistic principles. But our presence was also a stand for a free press when that fundamental concept is so cavalierly cast in doubt, as well as a reminder to the smallest state, if not the entire nation, of the essential value of robust local journalism, now also in doubt.

Jim Taricani was the template. For nearly four decades, mostly for WJAR-TV in Providence, he produced investigative reports that changed laws and lives in Rhode Island, his mission interrupted only briefly by a heart transplant in 1996. No public official wanted to hear that Taricani from Channel 10 was on the line. His reputation for fairness explained the invitation he received to the wake of Raymond L.S. Patriarca, the glowering boss of New England organized crime who, as far as I know, was never once described as “media friendly.”

In 2001, while federal agents were digging into the muck of Providence City Hall — an investigation aptly called “Operation Plunder Dome” — a confidential source handed Mr. Taricani a copy of an F.B.I. videotape showing a $1,000 bribe being accepted by the top aide to Vincent A. Cianci Jr., mayor and future convict.

It made for delectable television. As Mr. Taricani later noted, the tape showed the public what corruption looks like. But it was also secret grand jury material.

 

A federal judge demanded the source’s identity. Mr. Taricani fully understood the potential implications for his heart and health by not cooperating. Still, he refused to give up his source.

“It’s an effort to be able to do our job and use the tools available to us,” he told The Journal in 2004. “To bring out the truth.”

Mr. Taricani was sentenced to several months of home confinement, after which he returned to disrupting the evenings of his competitors. He retired in 2014, but remained committed to several causes, including organ donation and a federal shield law for journalists. When he died, the Rhode Island House of Representatives paused in silence to honor a man who had routinely upset the stomachs of so many of its members.

We journalists filed into the cool of Christ the King Church in Kingston and formed two rows up the aisle in subdued welcome to other mourners, including Rhode Island’s governor, Gina Raimondo. Both the homily and eulogy reinforced the need for a free press. The Mass ended, and we walked out the church doors, into the heat of these days.

The very next day, June 28, the nation’s newsrooms would recall the first anniversary of the shooting at The Capital newspaper in Annapolis, Md., that killed four journalists and a sales representative. Then, at a gathering of world leaders in Japan, President Trump would joke about the “problem” of journalism with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, where journalists tend to die unnatural deaths.

“Get rid of them,” Mr. Trump would say. “Fake news is a great term, isn’t it?”

And here in Rhode Island, local journalism is not nearly as vigorous as when Mr. Taricani roamed. The state has a very good public radio station and a tenacious news website or two, but repeated cutbacks have taken their toll. The once-dominant Providence Journal continues to shrink, with barely more than a dozen news reporters to interview candidates for office, attend school board meetings, hold the powerful accountable and cover a state once described to me as a reporter’s theme park.

Outside the church, the journalistic honor guard reassembled for Jim Taricani and for a free and healthy press. The funeral procession left for the cemetery, leaving the rest of us to stand in the hot June sun and ponder what — not whom — might be going to hell.

 

Dan Barry (@DanBarryNYT), a senior writer for The Times, was part of a team of reporters at The Providence Journal-Bulletin that won a Pulitzer Prize in 1994 for exposing corruption in the Rhode Island court system.


07/06/19 05:02 PM #5665    

Mary Clare Hummer (Bauer)

Jim

Hopefully no one of us needs great wealth or vast possessions to know that life is blessed. Or need legions of people around to know love and respect. And most certainly do not need huge military displays of war machines to know that we live in a great and powerful nation. Our Independence Day celebrations are not about war or military might. The day is about the birth of our ideal democratic principles of equality of all and the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  The promise and hope of those principles is what inspired the ragtag, musketed army of farmers and craftsmen to fight for their (and our) independence.  Our parades have always celebrated the contibutions from all our branches of the military with pride, dignity, and gratitude. To channel Harrison Ford in Air Force One, I say, “Tanks. Get off my plane!” Give me a float with the Continental Army’s fife and drum corps every time!!

Jack, great recollections on both the tanks and the funeral. I must admit, though, I was afraid you were going to tell us you fell into the hole! 

Clare

 


07/06/19 08:34 PM #5666    

 

Mark Schweickart

I have to agree with Mary Clare, I thought for sure Jack was going to go sliding into that hole. Nonetheless, I must commend Jack for writing not one, but two, powerful posts this week. Great job.

Now to change the subject entirely. In the spirit of patriotism, which I don't often indulge in, and as a shout out to the world of soccer, that I almost never watch and have yet to understand the rules to (although I just learned that a "nutmeg" is when one scoots the ball through the legs of an opponent, and then regains control of the ball), I hereby urge everyone to watch the Woman's World Cup Final tomorrow. The US Women are taking on The Netherlands! And even though our poster-boy for athletlic excellence (yes, Tim I am talking about you) is unable to claim direct relationship with one of the U.S. team's super stars -- Rose Lavelle, I am sure the old Lavelle spirit that we know and love probably flows though Rose as well, and therefore deserves our support. Plus, she is from Cincinnati, and therefore most definitely should pique the interest of all of us one-time Ohioans, don't you think?




07/06/19 10:35 PM #5667    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Clare,

Thanks for your thoughts on the tank issue and not making it into a political debate. I view it differently but also from a non-political viewpoint. Independence Day celebrates our independence from British rule, which was won by fighting. Constitution Day, which has some roots in Louisville, Ohio, celebrates our Constitution. Tanks and military equipment have been displayed in many parades across the USA for as long as we have been in existence. This year's national parade displayed tanks in a static area so as to not destroy roads, a good choice. Today's weapons are much heavier than those of the past.

I know it is not agreed upon by all but I see no problem with showcasing our military equipment (except top secret and experimental pieces) in public displays such as parades and celebrations that honor our uniformed services.

In a similar vein, if you, or any of our classmates, are ever in the Colorado Springs area, a very heavily military town, I suggest you visit the National Museum of WWII Aviation next door to our airport. It is a multi-hanger (lots of walking) display of all the WWII aircraft and they have been restored, or in the process of being so, to flying condition. Many of them have flown in air shows throughout the country. Personally, I do not go to air shows but have visited this museum twice and it just keeps getting better with more airplanes arriving yearly. It is amazing that these wrecked planes can be converted to almost new condition.

Mark,

Hope our women's soccer team wins, but wish they would not try to make another political statement by refusing a White House visit if invited.

To be honest, I can't get into soccer. I find myself saying "pick up that ball and throw it into that net!!" Too low of scores (usually) and, well, just boring.

Jim

07/07/19 01:00 AM #5668    

 

David Mitchell

Silly me, I didn't realize we were done with John Hickey already.


07/07/19 07:42 AM #5669    

 

David Barbour

AMEN, Clare!


07/07/19 09:04 AM #5670    

 

John Jackson

Count me in Clare’s camp.  If you’ve got what we have, no need to flaunt it.   If you’re the most powerful nation on earth (and everybody knows it), understatement usually gets you further than bombast.


07/07/19 09:18 AM #5671    

 

David Barbour

Jim,

We don't need to go to Colorado, we have the Air Force museum in exotic Dayton!  One of the top

two or three aviation museums on earth.  Might be a class field trip all by itself!

 DB


07/07/19 10:39 AM #5672    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Dave B.,

Yes, Dayton has Wright Pat and it is king! But this one in the Springs is dedicated solely to WWII aircraft and is something to see with Pikes Peak in the background. And, every now and then, they finish restoring one of the planes and take it up for a flight.

 

Back to parades, since I am taking almost as much flak as those WWII planes did!!!

Are not ALL parades over-the-top and flaunting some theme? St. Patrick's Day, the Rose Parade, Sport Team Championships, Do-Dah (never understood that one), Macy's Thanksgiving Day, Pridefest, Rodeo Parades, Springfest, Festival of Lights and hundreds of others across this land. And, yes, they all cost taxpayer money for police and security protection, interrupt traffic and business, cleanup expenses, etc.

So why so much concern over the military? Could it be - just COULD it be - that it is because it was THIS president who wanted to have it? It is no secret that some factions in this country despise the military. I trust that those on this Forum are NOT among them so I will rule out that diagnosis (sorry for the medical analogy). And I don't buy the comparison of the USA with dictatorships.

Maybe we should just ban all parades. But that would truly be a dictatorship.

Just for the record, I do not go to parades, and our city has lots of them. Why? Because I don't particularly like standing out in crowds in hot or cold or rainy or windy or snowy weather to watch floats and bands and waving people for the few seconds that they pass by me. But I do not deny a person's right to find enjoyment in doing so.

Jim

 


07/07/19 12:33 PM #5673    

 

David Barbour

Jim,

I don't think its the military aspect, S,F. Fleet Week displays more thousands of tons of iron than

any two-bit tank parade!  ( this,in a right wing stronghold, right?)

It has to do with the draft dodger-in-chief, not political,but historical.

DB


07/07/19 01:00 PM #5674    

Timothy Lavelle

Real proud of Rosie Lavelle but equally for Ms Dunn and Lloyd and other memorable names from WHS 66. This team represents what we are truly about.

ATTA GIRLS!!!!


07/07/19 01:01 PM #5675    

 

Michael McLeod

Apples to oranges, Jim.

It's one thing to brag about being Irish.

It's another to play the bully on the block to celebrate what was a humanistic triumph - a government for the people and by the people. And of course it rather adds to the dark irony that the guy in the middle of the show dodged the draft and mocked a hero who didn't. So you are right, it is, in part, because this president wanted it that many Americans -- many of them either serving now or having served in the military -- found the arrangement repugnant. But the larger point is that even if that weren't true -- even if Trump wasn't such a hypocrite -- the event was  a core departure from the tradition that had evolved over the decades of celebrating, rather than chest-beating. When you are sure of yourself you don't have to play the bigshot, as dictators and third-world wannabes are wont to do. I think the wonderful columnist Irma Bombeck -- remember her? -- described the American way of celebrating a national birthday quite well in a quote that has been making the Facebook rounds these past few days:

 

You have to love a nation that celebrates its independence every July 4, not with a parade of guns, tanks, and soldiers who file by the White House in a show of strength and muscle, but with family picnics where kids throw Frisbees, the potato salad gets iffy, and the flies die from happiness. You may think you have overeaten, but it is patriotism.


07/07/19 01:15 PM #5676    

 

David Mitchell

Jim,

I'd say you nailed it with the phrase "Could it be - just COULD it be - that it is because it was THIS president who wanted to have it?".

True, we have had many military parades in our history - big ones in D.C. no less - and yes, with tanks (people seem to forget those). But the way he handled this one seems so blatantly political - so obviously his own device to stir up his "base". And the whole thing about "tanks" seemed to sort of rub it in. Fortunatley he had to back off with that idea for logistical reasons and settle for a few static placements around the capital area. But I think the emotional damage was done by then. 

And it's made all the more contrary by his own sorry record of "anti-service". 

Finally, and most importantly, he comes dangerously close to politicising the military, and that alarms me. 

(Note: And some of us who were opposed hardy qualify for the category of those who despise the military.)  

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This discussion makes me think I need to clarify a term I have used before - just now realizing I may have sent the wrong message to a few classmates. I have used the term "draft-dodger" and more than once. To me, draft dodger is a derogatory term, used to describe anyone who went out of his way to avoid the draft. I believe this applies to Donald Trump back in the day. But I should explain that I know classmates who did not want to serve, and who did not agree with our government, and used whatever -  "student status" or "low lottery number" to refrain from serving. That is a different matter (in degress I suppose). And I have had several discusions with classmates on this site (some privately by email) about our choices back then.

I will address this to Mark, as he and I represent two different sides of this issue. Mark is a clear example of someone who just did not agree. But Mark is far from what I call a draft dodger, and I repsect his opinions on this matter. But to me there is a great difference when someone repeatedly used special influence or excuses, or even fled the country to avoid serving.

And I feel even more strongly about those maliciously "anti-war" demonstraters - who engaged in dispruption, property damgage, and threats and insults to returning soldiers from Viet Nam. That really hurt! And I heard a story of one of our own classmates who insulted another classmate at an earlier reuinion - using the "baby killer" term. I think that is disgusting.

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While I am on this subject, there is another strange category that I learned of while living in Vinh Long, that I grew to respect in a special way. I learned of the number of "pacifists" who served - even in some high risk, direct combat situations.

We had a radio operator (RTO) in our "Operations" hooch (the little nerve center of our Company's "operations") - a black kid from Brooklyn NY (with a wonderful Brooklyn accent - and great sense of humor), who was one of our best RTOs. HIs day was somewhat booring, but relativeluy safe. The "Operations" hooch was an heavy wood frame "office" with several desks and chairs, file cabinets, a large flight assigment schedule board, and the radio. It was built much stronger than our sleeping hooches and the outside walls an roof were lined with sandbags. In other words, he was pretty safe. But still..........

I had known him for a quite a while before he explained to me one night (while I was on "Operations duty" - a rotating job in adddition to flying) that he was a pacifist. He had refused to carry or use a gun but felt honor bound to serve in some way. I was amazed to know that these guys even existed. My opinion of him catapulted that night.   

And some of youmay have heard this story - I wrote about it before. Some of the medics who flew on "Medivac" ships (Hueys with the big Red Cross on the sides - like flying ambulences) - sitting in the door gunner seats but (usually) without weapons, were pacifists. That still boggles my mind! If you could see what I saw on a few occasions where they performed rescues under fire, you would be awed (as I was) by their nerve and courage. One of their pilots once explained to a couple of us that several of their medics were pacifists. We were dumbfounded!

Somewhere in all my ramblings I think you get my feelings on the matter. A guy who once bragged "My battle with venereal disease was my own personal Vietnam"  is not a man who commands my respect. 

 


07/07/19 01:39 PM #5677    

 

David Mitchell

And besides, without Mark I would never have learned the true meaning of the term "nutmeg".

 

this just in,,,,,,

Woo Hoo Ladys Worldcup!!


07/07/19 03:51 PM #5678    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike,

I certainly remember Erma Bombeck (an Ohio native) who was to writing what Norman Rockwell was to art.

Americans do turn those long holiday weekends into times spent with families and friends doing the things she described plus others, such as going to baseball games. It is unfortunate that so many young adults today often, when interviewed, know so little about the history or the meanings of those holidays and the reasons that they are celebrated. Maybe they should go to a parade and be exposed to seeing some military hardware.

I guess if the American fighters with their muskets in the Revolutionary War had not succeeded there would be fewer holidays, perhaps no frisbees and no baseball, only cricket matches 🏏.

Jim

07/07/19 04:05 PM #5679    

Mary Clare Hummer (Bauer)


07/08/19 10:02 AM #5680    

 

Michael McLeod

What is your favorite thing about being retired?

I'll start with the obvious one: I love waking up when my body rather than the alarm clock tells me it's ready to go. 

(He said at 10:02 am while still in bed with his second cup of coffee).


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