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10/05/20 04:39 PM #8204    

Timothy Lavelle

You know, there is NOTHING better than having an out of work actor tell me what to believe. Or a mis-informed classmate. I remember such great stories about Jesuits being soldiers for Christ. BUT it always jarred so badly with our teaching to turn the other cheek. It was like, "make up your mind god, are we fightin' them or negotiating with them". I don't recall an answer.

SUCH A COINCIDENCE...

The Proud Boys, a white supremecist group loosely supported by Don Corona met in downtown Portland today and held a sing along, calling themselves Proud Beach Boys. They did a great rendition of:

Bomb, bomb, bomb,

Bomb bomb Iran,

Please Mr Trump,

While you still can,

Bomb Ira-ha-han. Please bomb Ira-ha-han

You got me rockin' 

And a reelin'

With that Covid feelin'

So let's bomb, bomb, bomb

Bomb bomb Iraaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnn.

C'mon, start us up a war,

And we won't show you the door,

Bomb Iran, bomb, bomb Iran.

 

Imagine a country with such gall as to say to the US, "We don't think you're "All That, and a bag of nuts". How effin' dare they!  


10/05/20 04:49 PM #8205    

Timothy Lavelle


10/05/20 05:23 PM #8206    

 

Michael McLeod

I wish him well but I just can't see calling the guy a hero.

I like people who DON'T get the virus.


10/05/20 08:37 PM #8207    

 

David Dunn

 

 

      Hey Mark (S),

I saw that you posted about a week ago.Im sorry,  I dont know how I keep so busy, being retired for a month now! Except Ive had phone calls to make etc to keep up with the SS, health care  etc.  It Was Marq, with a q wasnt it??

I just go by Dave Dunn now! Name seems easy enough to say.   I was kept so busy working OT for 30 years, that I never had time to branch out, and, be too creative.  Mostly on FB and IG now with photos, posts, and stuff.


10/05/20 11:02 PM #8208    

 

Michael McLeod

need to get your email marq. mine is otownmm@gmail.com.


10/05/20 11:39 PM #8209    

 

David Mitchell

Not sure how we got on this subject, nor how it invoked such a response, but just a little note on "out of work actors". Jim Caviezel was out of work for several years, mostly because word got around that he refused to do nude scenes in movies - because of his Catholic faith. Horrors! What an awful person?

And adding to his horrible reputation, what kind of a horrible person would adopt three children, two with brain  condititons? What a low-life schmuck! 

Yes, he does come on quite strong - about something that he is passionate about, and something one of my former young assistant pastors (and good friends) corraborated time and time again after returning from 14 years of missionary work in Turkey and northern Iraq. 

And aside from the fact that Caviezel is curently not out of work, I thought we were having more fun insulting politicians - at least ones who were not old friends and classmates.

 

(BTW, that young friend, Father Chris Royer, Anglican, and devout Denver Bronco fan, as are his two Korean/American daughters whom I adore - did manage to spend only one short stay in a Turkish jail - for handing out a Christian brochure to a Turkish policeman who misled Chris into thinking he was intersted in his faith. But Chris had an Australian counterpart arrested in the same incidnet, who was not so lucky. And if we want to debate what a nice culture exists in the Middle-Eastern Muslim world, I wish my dear (Liberal) friend Keith Groff would join the conversation and give you his opinion after living in Egypt for a year - not very positive!  But I do also agree that there are many agreeable non-militant Muslims. My ultra-Catholic father's last medical partner was a wonderful Muslim lady physican from Thailand.) 

p.s. I sure wish Keith was on this Forum. And more than that, I wish you all knew more aobut his carreer history. It is a teaching carreer that would knock your socks off!


10/05/20 11:46 PM #8210    

 

David Mitchell

this just in..................

 

"TRUMP DEFEATS COVID"   commemorative coins on sale in the lobby. 


10/06/20 06:54 AM #8211    

 

Michael McLeod

Why Fox News Is Still in a Coronavirus Bubble

Humans will do figure eights to make facts suit their fictions. Laura Ingraham and Sean Hannity help the faithful do that.

 

By Jennifer Senior

Opinion columnist

  • Oct. 5, 2020
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Cognitive theory can essentially be described as the very human desire to reconcile the irreconcilable. Our brains will go to baroque lengths — do magic tricks, even — to preserve the integrity of our worldview, even when the facts inconveniently club us over the head with a two-by-four.

The most famous case study was of a cult that believed life on Earth would come to an end in a great flood around Christmas of 1954. The waters never came (obviously), but the leader had an explanation: She and her followers had warded off the apocalypse with the unflagging power of their faith.

Today, perhaps the best case study of cognitive dissonance theory can be found in the prime-time lineup on Fox News, where Donald Trump’s most dedicated supporters are struggling mightily to make sense of the president’s Covid-19 diagnosis. And just as Festinger’s work predicts, they are doubling down on their beliefs, interpreting recent events as incontrovertible proof that they were right from the start.

Laura Ingraham’s show on Friday night was a particularly captivating example of the figure-eight logic we resort to when our stories don’t align with reality. “The fact that it took him this long, frankly, to get a positive test,” she said of Trump, should be “reassuring to people. He’s met thousands and thousands of people over the last six months!”

 

For Ingraham, Trump’s contracting the disease was proof of how difficult it was to get, not how easy, particularly if you didn’t bother following the C.D.C. guidelines. Never mind that the president should, theoretically, be the person most insulated from the coronavirus in the nation. At the White House, he was tested daily. Anyone who visited him had to test negative in order to get near him. (The limits of that test, alas, have now been exposed.)

The problem was the president got reckless. He started holding large rallies again — at least one well-known attendee, Herman Cain, actually died. Trump had receptions inside and outside the White House, where wearing masks was not the custom. It was only a matter of time before he and aides fell ill.

But Ingraham still insisted that Trump’s story was proof that the coronavirus wasn’t especially contagious.

Later in her program, Ingraham even managed to find a doctor who challenged the efficacy of masks. Now, that’s impressive.

On his Friday show, Sean Hannity was reckoning with his own set of contradictions. He repeated, at almost metronomic intervals, that the president had been admitted to the hospital “out of an abundance of caution.” But in his outrage segment, during which he and his choir of the incensed (rightly) condemned those who wished the president harm, he didn’t blink when Geraldo Rivera said: “I hate when I hear that B.S. cliché ‘an abundance of caution.’ The headline here is that the president of the United States and the first lady of the United States have been diagnosed with Covid disease — a wicked, dangerous, deadly disease that’s already claimed 208,000 American lives.”

 

For Hannity, the president’s case wasn’t serious until it needed to be. Then it was serious. Deadly serious.

Everyone reckons with cognitive dissonance. Lord knows I have. I tuned out the ugliest charges made against Bill Clinton for years, as did loads of other feminists, most notably Gloria Steinem. “But he votes the right way,” we’d tell ourselves — just as evangelicals surely tell themselves that Trump supports their agenda on Roe, conveniently overlooking the 25-plus charges of sexual misconduct against him.

Not that these two men are equivalent in terms of their character. Who are we kidding.

But the point is: People will do a great deal to justify their belief systems, even if it means tolerating a thousand tiny inconsistencies. And Fox News is especially adept at giving people scripts they can use to minimize their discomfort with bothersome, disconfirming facts.

Even if they were to wake up one morning and realize that their thinking about this pandemic had involved some catastrophic errors in judgment, neither Sean Hannity nor Laura Ingraham seems like the type who’d acknowledge them publicly. It’s much more likely that they would quietly consign them to a memory hole. Conceding mistakes requires intellectual humility, which in both of these hosts is in demonstrably short supply; and anyway, what they peddle is certainty, cocksurety of opinion. It’s their brand.

The real question is whether their viewers will change their minds after watching the president struggle with the coronavirus. It was notable, I thought, that a few of Trump’s supporters were wearing masks outside Walter Reed National Military Medical Center.

But I don’t feel much hope. It requires a pretty thick hide to say you disagree with your former self (which may partly account for people’s fascination with the Lincoln Project). People tend to do so only when they feel that it’s safe — when they can be reasonably assured that the reception will be one of generosity and not a slightly more articulate version of nah-nah-nee-boo-boo.

We are at a moment of peak nah-nah-nee-boo-boo. Even under the best of circumstances, we humans love nothing more than to say, “Told you so.” As Kathryn Schulz writes in “Being Wrong: Adventures in the Margin of Error,” it’s basically a way of saying, “Not only was I right, I was also right about being right.”

But it is also through recognizing our errors, Schulz points out, that we learn, change and grow. A simple message, yes, but an impossibly urgent one right now. For those who’ve dismissed or downplayed the threat of the coronavirus, now is a good time to reconsider that position. And for those who’ve prayed for such a conversion, now is a good time simply to be thankful, and not to judge.

T

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10/06/20 12:30 PM #8212    

 

David Mitchell

How about a little mucisal interlude to calm the nerves?

(from one of my all-time favorite shows that nobody ever saw - SCTV (Seocnd City TV) from Canada at 1:00 am every Saturday morning)

 




10/07/20 09:31 AM #8213    

 

Michael McLeod

Late yesterday afternoon, teaching via webex rather than in one of the classrooms of the lovely, lakeside liberal arts college where I enjoy the rapport and adventure with the very interesting mix of students who turn up each year, I had a horrible class when some tech issue just blanked out the connection. Later on I had to console my significant other, a Montessori teacher forced to teach on line and who has students so poorly parented  that they just disappear off the screen on a daily basis, wandering off to who knows what virtual zombie zone. Then the parents, of course, blame her. And I am sure those of us who disagree on politics would be less likely to simmer and snap at each other, were we face-to-face.I miss face to face.


10/07/20 10:25 AM #8214    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike McL.,

And that is something on which we can definitely agree. Virtual classrooms, virtual medicine, virtual many things is taking the human experience away from our lives. I just hope and pray that this will not become the "new normal"! Unfortunately, we seem to be heading in that direction.

Jim


10/07/20 11:06 AM #8215    

 

Michael McLeod

I suspect when that brave new world overtakes us we will compensate by sharpening the focus of the "real time" we have together with the "real' friends and loved ones we have.

I'm going to be refining my hugging skills in the meantime.

And while were are in the "meantime" category: Meantime, this man is a genius. Ladies and gents, Garrison Keillor.

 

The gorgeous October days go parading by and you know they will end and then there’s one more, warm and golden, the Van Gogh trees, the Renoir sky: it’s beautiful but I’m an old white Anglo-Saxon Protestant male, the demographic responsible for the mess we’re in and all the messes before it. So I prefer to stay indoors. I wear a mask, the largest one I can find. Social distancing comes naturally to me — I’ve been emotionally distant since childhood. My parents weren’t huggers, they patted the dog and I guess we were supposed to extrapolate from that.

I’m 78. I’m heading into the Why Am I Here years, when you walk into a room and try to remember what you came for.

It’s a strange world. I remember when only carnival workers had tattoos and now I see nice young people with spiderwebs on their necks, or faces on their forearms. I grew up with four channels of TV, and now there are hundreds. You could watch twenty-four hours a day and barely scrape the surface. And what sort of life would it be? So I don’t watch anything and thus I don’t know who celebrities are anymore. Pop music is childish, standup is vulgar, movies are about explosives. Any recent teenage immigrant is more in tune with the culture than I am.

I don’t read books. The fiction is all by young people, heavily introspective, and if there’s an old white guy in a novel, he is sleazy but not smart enough to be a threat. The memoirs are by people under 40 who grew up dyslexic, anorexic, trisexual, and Missouri Synod in Texas. Once we produced great presidents such as Washington, Lincoln, and Roosevelt, and now the current guy is crowding Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan at the bottom of the pile. He is no more Protestant than Jujubes are Jewish, but he’s old and white and so I feel people hold me responsible for him. Everywhere I go, he comes up in the conversation: why? Why can’t we talk about something else?

The world belongs to the young and they gather in big crowds, unmasked, arms draped around each other, as the vodka is passed around along with the virus, which is just plain wrong, but then so is a great deal else. Like drive-thru liquor stores. When you buy a gallon of hooch, you ought to show you can walk in a straight line. But young people prefer the drive-thru, so there you are.

The world is changing. I’m basically okay with that. People of color, Black people, Latinos, dominate baseball now, not because of affirmative action but because they’re better ballplayers. Many of them have tattoos. Guys who grew up in South America had a much longer season. There are no great Canadian shortstops because it’s still winter in April. My team, the Minnesota Twins, has one player I can personally identify with: Max Kepler in right field. A slim white guy with a Germanic name. I don’t need nine white guys, just one. A token white male.

I was planning to be a comfy old grandpa who tells little kids stories about the olden days, but little kids today all have wires in their ears so storytelling is pointless. And my stories are about waiting for a school bus on a 50-below morning in the dark with feral coyotes watching from the ditch, a bus on which several bullies were waiting to beat me up, but global warming has ameliorated those Minnesota winters. It used to be, people asked where were you from, you said Minnesota, they said, “Oh. It gets cold there.” Now they say, “That’s in the Midwest, right?” Knowledge of geography is sketchy now; thanks to Google, nobody looks at maps.

I come from a bygone era when we all belonged to a culture, respected the president, knew the same songs. I stood in front of a crowd a year ago and sang those songs, about working on the railroad and Dinah in the kitchen, the E-ri-e a-rising and the gin a-getting low, the grasshopper picking his teeth with a carpet tack, and a few old codgers sang along and everyone else was looking for the lyrics on their smartphones. When you need Google to tell you this is the land of the pilgrims’ pride where your fathers died, freedom ringing from the mountainside, then I have to wonder, Where am I and why am I here?


10/07/20 01:54 PM #8216    

 

David Barbour

Thanks, Mike, I needed that.

DB


10/07/20 02:38 PM #8217    

 

Michael McLeod

Tonite should be a proper debate.

Bet it makes the trump-biden ticket look like the sloppy undercard that it was, regardless of where you stand on the political spectrum.  


10/07/20 03:06 PM #8218    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Obama knew. Hillary knew. Biden knew. Comey knew. Brennan knew. McCabe knew. Strzok knew. Clapper knew. Rosenstein knew. FBI, DOJ, CIA & MSM knew. They all knew it was a lie, witch-hunt, scandal, a plot, a conspiracy.  

(See User Forum Post)


10/07/20 06:14 PM #8219    

 

Michael McLeod

You forgot Flippo. Flippo knew.


10/08/20 06:23 AM #8220    

 

Michael Boulware

Mike, I loved Flippo and even had this granddaughter in my history class. My great wife and I hand delivered our absentee ballots to the Board of Elections. That is a great way to vote. We were able to look over candidates and issues that were not publicized. We took our time. We have never voted a straight ticket and never voted for the same people. It always feels good to vote.

10/08/20 12:39 PM #8221    

 

Michael McLeod

Thanks Mike. Any post that revolves around a sense of humor and a sensible electorate is welcome in my book.

 


10/08/20 01:25 PM #8222    

 

John Jackson

The Lincoln Project, as most of you know, is a group of prominent Republicans (including Kellyanne Conway’s husband) who feel that Trump has wreaked havoc on our nation (and their party).  Not sure when it came out, but like all their ads, it’s masterful:




10/08/20 01:58 PM #8223    

 

Michael McLeod

ha! then there is this from a story in today's paper, which pretty much sums up the state of things. Of course it's from the msm so....you know how stuck they are on the truth.

 

“It’s not a heavy steroid,” Mr. Trump said of the heavy steroid he’s been taking, dexamethasone.

10/08/20 02:49 PM #8224    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike McL.,

From a medical perspective, I have never heard of, nor have I ever used the term "heavy steroid". Maybe you know what that means or you  know what President Trump meant by using that term. Was he comparing dexamethasone to anabolic steroids often misused by athletes and a type of steroid that the public sometimes confuses with glucocorticoid steroids?

Please inform me of what he was thinking.

 

Jim 


10/08/20 03:03 PM #8225    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

Another quick change of pace.  

I read about two (actual) women (female scientists) who were honored on coins issued in 2019 by the U.S. Mint.  One was Mary Golda Ross, a member of the Cherokee Nation.  She died just shy of her 100th birthday in 2008.  She was one of 40 founding engineers of the SKUNK WORKS. For those who are not familiar with the Skunk Works, ask any engineer.

Now back to your normal programming.

Joe


10/08/20 03:12 PM #8226    

 

Michael McLeod

Point taken. Dr. J. 

I looked up side effects and can't find "heavy" among them. So I'd have to say that was a cheap shot on the part of the reporter.

 

Dexamethasone may cause side effects. Tell your doctor if any of these symptoms are severe or do not go away:

  • upset stomach
  • stomach irritation
  • vomiting
  • headache
  • dizziness
  • insomnia
  • restlessness
  • depression
  • anxiety
  • acne
  • increased hair growth
  • easy bruising
  • irregular or absent menstrual periods

10/08/20 04:03 PM #8227    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)




10/08/20 05:53 PM #8228    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike McL., 

​​​​​​All those are potential side effects of any glucocorticoid medication. Most side effects of almost any drugs are related to longevity of use.

Have you ever seen the extensive list of potential side effects of aspirin? Check it out. 

Jim 


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