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08/11/26 07:36 PM #17417    

 

Michael McLeod

and once again to Jack: you have damn good material and you have written it up in  damn good style.

it's book worthy. If you haven't shopped it out already I'm urging you to do so.

Love ya brother. You have a natural voice that rises up off the page and guys like me hate you  for it. 


08/12/26 08:41 AM #17418    

 

Frank Ganley

Dave Mitchell and all Roy Orbison fans the reason for Roy's wearing sunglasses all day long and everywhere is somewhere in the late 50s early 60s. Roy was in a severe fire and the sunglasses help hide scars and aid his eyes in someway but the sunglasses are necessary. I hope this clears it up. 


08/12/26 09:44 PM #17419    

Lawrence Foster

Hi Friends,

Sorry I could not make it to the reunion.  I had some family needs come up and that caused me to cancel my plans.  It sure looks like a good time was had by all of you who could attend.  

I talked with Joe McCarthy after he sent me this photo of him, Dick McNamara, and Al Judy.   They were able to meet at the Villa Nova Ristorante on High St. near the Columbus - Worthington border.  Joe is still on travel status somewhere in the midwest, probably Detroit area, so he asked me to post this for him.

I'm doing well out here in California.  The two grandsons started school today - 4th grade and 2nd grade.  I do a lot of driving to soccer, swimming and basketball practices and have good conversatons with the boys.  The Chicago family was out here in early June.  Granddaughter Vivi is with the School of Rock program and they were doing a musical tour in Cali and we got to see her perform on stage.  She will start 9th grade this fall and she is a Taylor Swift fan.  And rock and roll music nowadays is a whole world different than our times!

My best to all of you.  Keep going as best you can one day at a time.

Wait - one more thing:  Dan Schafner Cody  ( I hope you read this):  Do you have an ancestor named Esther Cody who might have been born around 1910 -15?  I have a photo of her and she is a distant cousin of mine.  So you and I may be cousins.  How's that for a scary thought?     

 


08/13/26 07:38 AM #17420    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

THANK YOU LARRY.  I couldn't of done it without your help.

Hope to see you sometime this fall.


08/13/26 02:36 PM #17421    

 

David Mitchell

Wow!

2 lost souls and the artist formerly known as Larry!

Wish I had known about this gathering. Sorry to have fallen out of touch with Al, and I haven't seen Dick in years.

Hello to all 3 of you guys if you read this Forum.

 

Fun memory:

I started kinderarten at Glennmont grade school with the two McNamara twins, Bill and Dick. One or other of the two would start the other one to crying so bad that the teacher had to call Mrs. McNamara to come pick them up early - almost every day. I still recall the image of Evelyn pulling sowly up to the school front door in that black Cadillac from the funeral home (about 1952 with little lumps for the tail lights) to pick the two of them up early and take them home. 

 


08/16/26 03:51 PM #17422    

 

Michael McLeod

Maybe everbody knows this. maybe not. but the other day I wondered just how useful google can be -- and  i decided to ask google how long I will likely be able to live.

As a journalist I had used google extensively to get info of all sorts, so I figured what the heck.

I entered in some biographical information and answered some of the follow up questions the algorithm asked me, such as  was I a smoker. Nope. I went back and forth with the algorithm as it posed a few other questions that were not unlike questions from a flesh and blood doctor. 

In the end My gal pal Miss Google advised me that statistically I can likely make it to my late 80s or even better.

Maybe everybody knows this trick but thought I'd mention it in case not.  The answer I got was pretty much what I expected, but still, kinda reassuring. Again, I knew Google was a valuable program for getting info, but had never thought of using it to ask a rather personal question - a question I'd ordinarily be a bit embarrssed to ask a fellow human being..

I apologize if you find this morbid - and you might just be of a mind to put yourself in the hands of God and not trouble yourself with his timetable. Oops I mean Her timetable.  

Live long and prosper.

 


08/16/26 08:38 PM #17423    

 

David Mitchell

While I was in Columbus for the reunion, I was staying with a younger cousin who shared a lot of a common interest - music.

He informed me that the number one "alternative pop" group in the country right now is called 

21 Pilots!

 

from   -  wait for it  -  Columbus Ohio

 

They are quite different.

I guess they are scheduled to perform the first ever concert in the OSU "shoe" during football season. They sold out 100,000 seats within 12 minutes after the sales on-line site opened.




08/16/26 08:52 PM #17424    

 

David Mitchell

But I am already in love

with Indila !




08/18/26 03:56 PM #17425    

 

Joseph D. McCarthy

Mike I had thought you were / are a great reporter.  After your post 17422 I am having to rethink my opinion.  Shouldn't you have said Her timetable?

Inquiring minds just want clarification.


08/18/26 09:06 PM #17426    

 

Michael McLeod

this one's the original. the original artist.

i like it better. 

just now discovered it.

the best version of the greatest kiss-off song in the history of the universe.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crd-jZqpSHk


08/18/26 09:21 PM #17427    

 

Michael McLeod

Joe:  I appreciate the catch. As a journalist I was always charged with staying alert when it came to sexist pronouns. Clearly I've had some slippage in my retirement.

I made the obligatory change in the post below. And I'm not kidding about the pronoun usage, and how it was drilled into us as journalists to keep a balance that did not belittle females, however subtly. It puts a bit of a speed bump to put things like "in his or her opinion" into your copy, but given the stealthiness of sexism -- how it slips into a culture in small ways, such as pronoun  usage -- it's a small price to pay for a journalist to steer clear of turning in copy that smacks of being patronizing or dismissive, even to the slightest extent, of anyone based on their sex, race, nationality, or whatever. Anyway I'm embarrassed to have made the error particularly since I was trained to avoid it.


08/19/26 07:47 PM #17428    

 

Bill Reid

You may have seen my hometown Carmel Indiana on the news lately. A torrential downpour last week caused local rivers and streams to flood -- one river dozens of feet over its normal flow. The flood was the greatest in our area since 1913. Less than a mile from our house, a bridge over a local road was completely washed away on each end, and the center section is bound to fail soon.

In just 3 days an engineering miracle has happened. This afternoon, two National Guard helicopters lifted 73 1-ton sandbags into the still-flooding river to create a dam to stem the excessive water flow. Without it, flood waters would continue to flow into Indianapolis and cause major damage to homes and infrastructure there.

The plan to create the dam (actually, 2 of them; one as a backup in case the first one fails) all came together through cooperation between city, county, state, and national resources. It was a bit disturbing to see those Blackhawk helicopters flying over our house until we learned what they were doing. Dave Mitchell would be proud!

The cooperation of the residents in our area has been fantastic – everything from loading sandbags to providing food and water to hosting people in their homes whose house was flooded. Our church contributed $20,000 over the weekend to flood relief, and there’s more to come. Many other churches are doing likewise.

All this makes me so grateful for people who care about other people; to engineers who so quickly devised a plan to stem the flooding; and to the cooperation between various government agencies who devised and implemented a plan with very little delay.

Here’s a picture of the destroyed bridge; it’s less than a mile from our house and we used to travel over it often. Now we’ll need to find a different route! The area in the background that looks like a lake is actually a stone quarry. It used to be completely dry; now it holds over 2 BILLION gallons of water! Water that otherwise would have flowed south into Indianapolis and caused a tremendous amount of destruction.

Bottom line – people care for people, and they come to the rescue when disasters occur. Miracles still happen!

 


08/20/26 09:00 AM #17429    

Joseph Gentilini

Hi Bill R - I was meaning to call you to see if you and Mary were okay, but I got busy with stuff and didn't get to it.  I hope your home is okay. Arlington got hit with some streets losing their trees and lots of branches. There was a tornado in south Columbus and some other weather issues that caused so much damage.  Sorry about the bridge and all the people that are affected. And the administration says Climate Warning is a hoax - not so!  joe


08/20/26 10:35 AM #17430    

 

Mark Schweickart

Bill -- What an astonishing event! Talk about engineering miracles -- how does one quickly come up with one-ton sandbags, not to mention 73 of them, and then somehow flying them into position? Mind-boggling!


08/20/26 01:43 PM #17431    

 

David Mitchell

Bill,

I have friends in nearby Noblesville. Did the flooding also hit them?


08/20/26 02:38 PM #17432    

 

Bill Reid

Yes, our entire county, which includes Noblesville, was affected by the floods. Those on lower ground or close to a river were particularly hard hit. Many people didn't have flood insurance, which is expensive, so they are now without everything they had. Pray for them, and for the people who are now caring for them.


08/20/26 02:42 PM #17433    

 

Bill Reid

Mark, the recovery was indeed astonishing and an engineering miracle. "One" doesn't come up with this complicated plan and execution; it took hundreds of people, working through nights and the weekend, and incredible cooperation from local, county, state, and federal resources to pull this off. Today looks so much better; the waters are receeding, but many roads are still closed and that bridge is still a goner.


08/20/26 04:01 PM #17434    

 

Michael McLeod

An old Jewish Rabbi dies and goes to heaven. He stands in line for a while for his chance to meet God in person.

His turn comes and he steps forward.

God says “Welcome. Do you have any questions for me?”

Rabbi: “No, I just want to tell you a joke about my time in that concentration camp.”

God: “How can you joke about such a thing?”

Rabbi: “I guess you had to be there.”


08/20/26 04:13 PM #17435    

 

Michael McLeod

I gotta say Kevin Cull looks badass in that photo.

not as badass as me, but still.


08/21/26 10:02 AM #17436    

 

Michael Boulware

Bill, We have been following the news about Carmel. Those folks are fortunate to have a great person like you to offer support and prayer. Keep us updated.


08/21/26 12:08 PM #17437    

 

John Maxwell

What do you call an automotive critic?
A carberater.

08/21/26 02:01 PM #17438    

 

Michael McLeod

what do you call a fake noodle?

an impasta!


08/21/26 10:04 PM #17439    

 

Mark Schweickart

What do you call inveterate punsters? No pun at all.

 

 


08/22/26 12:58 PM #17440    

 

John Maxwell

Marq,
Is that a comment from the author of the punabridged dictionary?

08/22/26 04:54 PM #17441    

 

Michael McLeod

I PROMISE THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY TIME I'LL DO THIS!

I don't know how many profiles I wrote in my way too long journalism career, most of them for the cincinnati enquirer and then for the orlando sentinel, where this story ran.

My kids asked me to pull together a collection of stories and I thought you might enjoy this one I stumbled across. Again, only one! I promise. But I think you'll enjoy, and I hope you understand why I chose it to share.

Allow me to introduce Chief Billie, a bone fide seminole indian chief. 

Seminole indians occupied florida prior to the european invasion of the continent and there are still thousands of full blooded seminoles  in the state, most of them living in scattered reservations and communities, adhering in varying degrees to tribal customs, including having a chief.

This one was pissed -- and sadly, legally, he never had a chance for his crusadwhich only make him all the more poignant. That's why I ended the story with that quote from the man who compared Chief Billy to Don Quixote - the overly dramatic, romantic dreamer who is taken as a fool --  but, who, perhaps, understands something that the rest of us don't.

this story ran in the newspaper (orlando sentinel) in the early 2000's.

Chief Billie died on a south florida seminole indian reservation eight years ago. And though I didn't stay i touch with him I guarantee you he was pissed off to the very end.

 

 

 

 

Michael McLeod

Orlando Sentinel Staff Writer

 

Most people think of downtown St. Augustine as a historic place: the old fort, the cobblestone-colonial architecture.

It's just one more Florida strip mall to  Bobby C. Billie.

He strides past the storefronts of St. George Street in a burly glide, a full-blooded Seminole with caramel-colored skin and a graying ponytail. Tourists clopping by in horse-drawn trams squint at him in the midday sun and then fumble for their cameras. They think he's a player in some historical pageant the guide forgot to mention.

They're not too far off. Billie has a part in an epic that goes back further than St. Augustine. He's in a battle over bones -- ancient bones.

At 56, Billie is a sixth-generation medicine man on a crusade to protect Native American gravesites in Florida. Many of those graves -- including the resting place of one of his own ancestors -- have been disturbed by developers, archaeologists or poachers. Billie has put nearly two dozen of the old ones back into the earth, overseeing their re-interment along seashores and riversides, on hammocks in the Everglades, under oak and pine and palm.

AT ODDS WITH ARCHAEOLOGY

Now he finds himself picking his way past a Port-o-Let and a squat green trash bin as the cobblestone charm of the tourist district gives way to a small construction site. The boarded-up shop was once one of those novelty photo studios where tourists pose as gunslingers or dance-hall girls. All that remains are pitted red brick walls, a gaunt ceiling strung with a strand of bare light bulbs, a dirt floor -- and, possibly, a grave.

A subcontractor working on the shop renovation has secretly contacted Billie, insisting that his crew discovered human bones while digging a new foundation. He thinks they may be Native American remains. The developer, John Valdes, says the subcontractor's story is a vengeful fiction, concocted because of a business dispute. Carl Halburton, St. Augustine's city archaeologist, has come to the same conclusion.

Halburton has spent the morning digging exploratory holes and finding nothing but roots, an old smoking pipe and a few pig bones. As Billie rounds the corner, Halburton is kicking at the dirt, Valdes is pacing with a frozen smile on his face and three workmen are lounging around getting paid for doing nothing. A fine green mist of evaporating money hovers over the scene.

It's up to Halburton to explain it all to Billie so everybody can go back to work.

Billie stands with arms akimbo as Halburton launches into an Archaeology 101-type lecture. The earth beneath the city has built up in predictable layers. The farther down you dig, the further back in time you go. Just a few inches down and you're back in the time of the conquistadors. Because the workers never dug down beyond that point, even if there are human remains, there's really no way they could be Native American because. . . .

Suddenly Billie cuts one arm through the air as if to brush aside the archaeologist's careful reasoning. "We know our people, indigenous people, were all around here," he says. "You can cover them up, but they are still there. What I'm trying to say is: Where does the earth for indigenous people begin?"

Halburton stammers out a reply, but it's like watching a very bad round of charades. His logic means nothing to Billie because Billie doesn't accept the premise. He thinks it is ridiculous to talk of land as if it can be quantified, packaged or even owned. So do the rest of his people.

TRIBE SPURNS GOVERNMENT

Billie grew up as a member of the Independent Traditional Seminoles, a group of about 200 Native Americans who live at the northern edge of the Everglades on 400 acres bought for them by a private foundation. They do not acknowledge the concept of land ownership. To their way of thinking, land can be occupied, but it can't be bought, any more than sky and stars and air. They refuse to live on any of the state's five Seminole reservations because that would mean making a pact with the U.S. government, whose authority they refuse to recognize.

Members of the group -- once known as "Trail Indians" because they lived along the Tamiami Trail -- now live in a small village, dotted with oblong billets that resemble the thatch-roofed chickees that were once the traditional dwellings of the Seminoles. Ordinarily, the people in the village keep to themselves. Bobby Billie is the exception.

SPIRIT MOVED HIM

About 15 years ago, Billie says, a spirit came to him in a vision and told him to begin warning the mainstream culture to start taking better care of the Earth. So he worked to improve his English and overcome his shyness and began speaking to schools, civic organizations and environmental groups.

Eventually, he became involved in the issue of Native American graves. When remains were dug up or uncovered by erosion, he often was called to oversee their reburial. When he heard that graves might be disturbed, he took it upon himself to prevent it.

Once, near DeLeon Springs, he jumped into the middle of a group of archaeologists who were excavating a Native American grave, demanding: "You WILL stop!" They did.

At a golf course near Bonita Springs, he made other scientists cover up a 10,000-year-old mammoth that surfaced when a pond was drained. The animal, like the Native American remains nearby, belonged to the past, not the present, Billie said.

"The archaeologists say, 'But all we want to do is study your people.' I tell them, 'Then come and talk to us.' But they never do."

Billie's uncompromising positions have frustrated state archaeologist Jim Miller so much that the only comment Miller is willing to make is: "Nothing good can come of anything I might say about that man."

Billie has stormed uninvited into federal conferences about Native American affairs, then lectured startled bureaucrats about how to do their jobs. Anthony Paredes, chief of Ethnology and Indian Affairs for the Southeast Region of the National Park Service, calls Billie "the last unconquered Seminole."

GOVERNMENT IGNORES HIM

But Paredes also knows that there is a Catch-22 to Billie's crusade, and a price to pay for being unconquered: As far as the federal government is concerned, Bobby Billie is not a Native American.

To put it another way: Because he doesn't recognize the federal government, the federal government doesn't recognize him.

The most significant federal guideline for dealing with Native American reburials is the Native American Grave Protection And Repatriation Act, signed into law by Congress in 1990.

The law is meant to correct a long-term grievance among Native Americans, who have complained for decades about the indiscriminate collecting of human remains and artifacts by soldiers, scientists and poachers. Many of those remains wound up in museums, stored in neatly labeled plastic bags.

The Smithsonian Institution in Washington, which has a collection of 19,000 Native American skeletons, has been referred to by one Native American activist as "the biggest Indian cemetery on the planet."

As Billie puts it: "Do we dig up your grandmother's bones? Do we have picnics in your cemeteries? Does it matter that we don't put stones over their heads?"

The 1990 law protects graves and calls for all federally funded museums to catalog the remains and relics they have collected -- and to return them, upon request, to recognized tribes that can prove a connection to the remains or artifacts.

The government recognizes more than 800 such tribes. The Seminole Tribe of Florida is on the list. The Independent Traditional Seminoles are not.

That means that Bobby Billie has no authority under federal law to have anything to do with Native American remains. He is an invisible man.

"There is a great irony here," says Patricia Wickman, historical preservation officer for the Seminole Tribe of Florida. "The U.S. government, which spent 200 years trying to destroy Indians, has now set itself up as the unilateral arbiter of Indian-ness. It is a cosmic joke from which most of us will never recover."

KENNEWICK MAN IN DISPUTE

Three thousand miles from Florida, scientists in Kennewick, Wash., are still waiting for the punch line.

In 1996, college students at a riverbank stumbled onto the remains of a man who died 9,000 years ago. Anthropologists want to study the bones, but first a federal magistrate must consider the arguments of groups trying to establish a "cultural affiliation" to Kennewick Man, and the right to say what happens to him. That includes, so far, five Native American tribes -- and a pagan, California-based religious group, the Asatru Folk Assembly, which worships Norse gods.

Maybe it is better, as Bobby Billie maintains, to leave the old ones where they lie.

"The bones do not belong in a science book. The bones belong in the earth," he says.

Billie stays involved in repatriation partly out of determination and partly through loopholes. He has tended to reburials on behalf of the Seminole Tribe of Oklahoma, descendents of Florida Seminoles forcibly removed from the state 170 years ago. He has done much the same for The Miccosukees of Florida, whose beliefs prevent them from doing reburials.

Billie himself is careful never to touch bones of the dead. To do so, according to the traditions of many tribes, can cause grave spiritual damage.

He can trace his ancestry to Sam Jones, the most famous medicine man in the history of the tribe. Jones, whose given name was Arpeika, was in his 70s during the 1830s, when soldiers tried to drive the Seminoles out of Florida. Arpeika led a stubborn guerrilla resistance, burning white hostages alive, shooting his own people if they spoke of surrender. He was never captured, and is thought to have lived into his 90s and died a free man, hiding with a small band of followers in the Everglades.

People of his day thought of him as the last unconquered Seminole, too.

BELIEFS REMAIN A MYSTERY

Billie is secretive about many of his beliefs. If you ask him what he carries in the ever-present leather pouch at his waist, he will likely fix you with a level, not unpleasant gaze and say: "You don't need to know." Nor will he confirm the commonly held belief that he conducts the Green Corn Festival, a secret, yearly convocation in which disputes are settled and young people are initiated into the tribe.

But he does acknowledge that he is a living repository of the tribe's oral history, as Clay Henderson knows well.

Henderson, an Orlando attorney who helped orchestrate the purchase of the land where the Independent Traditional Seminoles now live, remembers taking Billie for a walk in woods near Spruce Creek. Henderson wanted to show him some Native American mounds.

"He'd never been there before," says Henderson. "But at one point he stopped and said, "Does this trail go to a bluff that overlooks a small river? And are the mounds off to the west from there?' Then he took a stick and drew the layout of the village in the dirt for me. It made the hair stand up on the back of my neck."

REPOSITORY OF HISTORY

Billie says he recognized the area, and knew the layout of the village, from oral histories passed down to him. "It's like pictures in my head," he says.

The pictures make more sense to him than the world that he sees when he travels around the state, relying on a small group of environmentalists and friends who support his efforts.

Billie grew up in the Everglades and did not see a white person until he was 8 years old. Simple things that most people take for granted bemuse him. Concrete, for example. Parking garages and sidewalks remind him of the cast he wore when he broke a finger as a child. Remembering how the finger looked after the cast was removed, he thinks of concrete as a cast placed over the Earth, which has become pale and shriveled beneath it.

Although he cannot read or write, he has his own perspective on education. He calls it "the teaching of the square."

"They give the people square hats when they graduate," he says. "Then they go out and make all their buildings the same shape -- square, like the hats."

He has an abiding affection for animals, carving little wooden figurines of panthers, alligators and birds. He refers to trees as "elders," because, in Native American tradition, they were here before anything else.

"Bobby Billie has a light in his eyes," says Mark Glisson, environmental administrator for the Florida Bureau Of Natural and Cultural Resources. "Of course, there was one time I can remember when he looked at me like he wanted to cut my head off."

Glisson tried, unsuccessfully, to accommodate Billie and his fellow villagers when they asked permission to harvest cypress from a state forest. Glisson asked Billie what they wanted to do with the wood. "He wouldn't tell me. He said, 'What my tribal people do in the forest and take from the forest is not for you to know.'"

"I love him," says Glisson. "But he's Don Quixote."


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