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09/25/17 04:46 PM #1914    

 

David Mitchell

Jim, I was going to hold off on that one. I keep thinking I want to try and keep this off the Forum but we're in this now so here goes. Sorry to those who prefer not - I get it. Just take a break. 

BTW, I think if you just google up "Loach helicopter" you get one choice with nothing but photographs. I did that once and saw two of my own photos near the top of that page - one of me and Bob Buffington from that reunion newpaper article I posted a while back, and one of Bob (again) and another of our guys. I was kinda stunned. No idea how they got there.

* But yes, if you go to You Tube and type in "Top Ten Helicopters - "OH6-A Cayuse" (the title of a History Channel series), you will pull up what I think is one of the only recorded film bits of our history. It is a kind of weak episode with some rather hollywood-ish interviews, describing our ship and our mission. Understand of all the thousands of hours of helicopter footage filmed during the war, there is almost none of us or our Loaches. It was quite difficult to have one of us using a movie camera in the cockpit while flying this low level, intense mission. We were not secret or covert, just not many such units, and even less well known. It really is an amazing little story within the bigger story if you ask me. I have acually only met three or four other Vietnam Vets who had ever heard of us. If you weren't in or near one of our units, chances are you would never have known of us.

Sadly, one of our guys reconnected with his "Observer" a few years ago and they had planned to get together. But the Observer (one John Klark) died suddenly and that never happened. Klark used to be the only guy we knew who did take a movie camera in the cockpit every day. It so happens I located Klark's sister and she said they still had boxes of his films somewhere, but after three years they cannot find them. Those would be treaures!

A few things to notice in that video - much of it appears to me to be file footage shot somewhere in Callifornia, but you will see a few seconds of us (not my specific unit, but a similar one) hovering about 8 feet off the ground with purple colored smoke on the ground - over what appear to be gravestones. I am certain those clips are the real thing. Colored smoke was what we used to mark a target before getting out of the way of our Cobra gunhsips circling over our heads at 1,500 feet - who were waiting to pounce on the target with rockets and mini-gun fire when we called (or screamed as the case might be). They must have already let the "guns" hit once in this video, otherwise they would not be hovering so close to a smoke.

Note: the official Army name was the "Cayuse" - we never called it that!  It was a "Loach" or an "OH-6". And the video refers to "the killer egg"  - never ever heard it called that - ever.

If you are careful to look again at precisely 1:53,  2:03,  and  2:23, you will see more of the same (one is a repeat I think). 

Also note: after about 2:35 it becomes more about later configuartions of the Loach as used for Mogadishu. We had no rockets, no external outrigger seating, no double mini-guns mounts (just a single on one side, made for intersting foot pedal work when firing). Interstingly, many who saw "Blackhawk Down" think that is the first use of the Loach in combat, but are surpised to learn we were their "forefathers". I think it's fair to say our mission was far higher risk than theirs.

We spent hours at a time, day after day searching and hovering, attempting to locate them through their (incredibly clever) camoflauge, then attempting to "bait" them into firing at us. Once they finally did, that gave us two things - it confirmed their position, AND gave us permission to fire on them. (remember - "undeclared" war - we cannot fire first - except in a "free fire zone") It also got us shot down - a lot. I will venture a guess that in the three companies in my squadron alone (one of several squadrons who flew this type of mission throughout the country) over my 18 months there, we may have had as many as 100 Loaches shot down. I am not making that up. Repeating myself here - In that Hilton Head Monthly magazine article I posted months ago, just five of us in the photo were shot down 14 times (me just once but what a memorable aftermath - long story). And one late comer who missed the photo would have added 5 more himself. And that was only part of just my company alone. I estimate we (my company only) had about 30 shot down. And one of out sister companies, "Apache Troop" had a much worse track record than we did. 

When the opening scene last night had the guy - an obvious Loach "Observer" talking (very animatedly) about "my job is to get shot at", he was NOT speaking figuratively, but in fact, literally.

 

Did the rest of our pilots in the mission ("Slicks", "Guns" and "C&C") think we were nuts?  -- Is the Pope Catholic?  And they teased us about it all the time.

This is one of several photos I have of them after being lifted back into our Maintinence yard. My shoot down was smoother than this - I did not roll my ship.

Some of the guys coined phrases like : "Thall Shalt Not Bonk"  or  "Bonking in Rice Paddy May Be Hazerdous to Your Health".


09/25/17 10:48 PM #1915    

 

David Mitchell

(Revised) -

A few points of clarification: (sorry - I may be creating more questions here than answers)

1) "Loach" is simply the pronuncaition of the acronym "L.O.H." which stood for Light Observation Helicopter.

2) We were being "shot down" from only 8 or 10, or in my case at the time - above small trees - maybe 30 feet. Being shot down (or losing your rotor blade) from high altitudes would of course be fatal. Our ship was exceptionally safe to crash in at those low altitudes. It had a great little crash superstructure and also a shape that tended to roll when it hit. Also our rotors blades had both a different metal composition,  and a diiferent method of attachment to the main rotor head. Unlike a Huey blade, which broke into many tiny sections, and would fly around like a bunch of sharp pieces of flying metal - our blades broke off at the rotor head cleaner and stayed in one large piece, which usually caused them to come to a stop on the ground faster once we hit. 

(Revised) 

3)  I am not writing to play to your political or patriotic feelings, but rather, I am writing this to offer what I consider an very interesting story that remains largely untold. It is not so much about me, but about my group of buddies, to whom I am very strongly bonded. And I think they deserve the recognition. My desire to tell this is partly the result of my reunion 3 years ago in which a small group of us shared a "coming out" weekend after 45 years of not feeling free to share our story. Some of the situations we (and many other helicopter pilots) got ourselves into - and out of - border on the ridiculous! You should hear the details of some of my platoon buddies "shoot-downs". Hollywood script writers couldn't make some of this stuff up. I hope you will accept that, and also that you find it worth reading.

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(Revised)

4) Sorry -  Mistakes were made. Very undisciplined C.O. in a sister company - eventually got corrected - releived of his duty and disciplined. Very little in my Company - and on an extremely limited scale. But poor judgement did happen. TMI on the rest of that. 


09/26/17 02:46 PM #1916    

 

David Mitchell

Second warning:  to residents of small town Great PNW:

Remember, the Postman (usually) rings twice. Unless there are killer moles in vicinity - in which case maybe three or four times.


09/27/17 06:18 PM #1917    

 

David Mitchell

Final Warning -  to residents of the Great PNW:

They say good things come in small packages. But what kind of wierd crap might show up in a "MEDIUM FLAT RATE" Priority box? 

God only knows. The end is near! 


09/28/17 06:25 PM #1918    

 

David Mitchell

Joe G.

Your book arrived today. Looking forward to reading it.

(Now if I can just mangage to stay awake. Every time I sit down to read something my eyelids get weak. LOL)

 

Jim H.

I realy think you should share your recent photo success with the class on the Forum. We could use something bright again.


09/28/17 07:33 PM #1919    

Timothy Lavelle

I remember an especially poignant poster that featured a beautiful animal and a very endearing poem. I am not lyrical but I memorized the poem because it truly meant so very much to me, even as a young man. These words of wisdom helped me through many trials and still mean so very much to me...way, way deep down into my soul. I can see now that it would mean a lot to Dave Mitchell too.

Please picture a close-up of one of nature's most intelligent primates...it is an adult Orang-Utan, sitting by the stump of a jungle tree, head in hand, staring straight into the camera lens and thinking sad, sad thoughts:

WHEN I WORKS,

I WORKS H-A-R-D!

 

WHEN I PLAYS,

I PLAYS H-A-R-D!

 

AND,

 

WHEN I THINKS,

I FALLS ASLEEP.......


09/28/17 10:07 PM #1920    

 

David Mitchell

OMG Tim!

My dad had a placard on the wall of his office for years with that very saying on it. You just brougt back a long forgotten wonderful-sweet-funny memory.      

(are you psychic or what?) 

 


09/29/17 05:59 PM #1921    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Sharing an article about our alma mater:

http://www.dispatch.com/entertainmentlife/20170929/two-rival-high-schools-raise-money-for-football-player-with-cancer 

Go Eagles!!


09/29/17 07:22 PM #1922    

 

Janie Albright (Blank)

MM This was a great article! It didn't come up and said page not found but I typed Watterson in their search bar.  It's a story about "two rival high schools". 


09/29/17 08:17 PM #1923    

 

David Mitchell

Mary Margaret, It came right up when I clicked on it. 

Why don't we join in the effort? MMarg, is there an address we can send $$ to?

 


09/29/17 09:37 PM #1924    

Timothy Lavelle

Man, am I the only guy who finds himself more emotional as we push forward in years? Stuff that would have made me smilingly proud of humanity in earlier years now almost brings me to tears. Having just the one child seems to make me especially susceptible to stories of young adults in dire straights. So Mary Margaret, I am delighted with reading your story and got misty over the Hartley man-child who thought it would be great for their school to join in and help out. That's a kid who will benefit mankind someday. Thank you for that.

So, Dave Mitchell...a man who I have often wondered about since this message forum began...has sent me a package. Some of you may have wondered what was inside? Yes? Soooo, Dave, as I read your recent posts, and knowing that I am the one who completely disagrees with you on the retelliing of Viet Nam stories...I began to wonder. Does Dave have access to Anthrax powder? Did he ever know a man named Kozinski? What could possibly be in this DavidBox?

Well, it was a real treat. I got a spinner. I wanted a spinner...one of those three armed things with roller bearings. It spins! I have no idea how you knew I am a sudoku nut...maybe from the Army code-breaking?? but I now have a nice booklet of puzzles...cool. The Grays Anatomy coloring book was hilarious and I am going to donate it in your name to the hospital group who helps me recuperate. Antoine de Saint Exupery is a hero of mine and you sent me two of his books, The Little Prince and Night Fight, both of which I will read and enjoy greatly. If anyone does not know the story of Saint Exupery, it is worth the read. The "blouse ripper" romance novel you sent along to my wife has made you her favorite person that she never met. Maybe I will give it a read and see if I can gain any points! But the very best gift included were the two limes and two tiny bottles of Gin...one is even Tangueray, my fave! So thanks for the goodies. I still think you are slightly nuts to be so hung up on "The Failure In SE Asia" that we all lived through. Operative words there being "lived through" ! But then again Dave, I am no doubt more than slightly nuts when I tear up over dogs treated inhumanely, or wonder aloud why I am not allowed to shoot at people who ease their cars into my lane at high speeds! So, tell us those stories, get 'em out of your system, with my thanks for the presents.

Where's my good crystal cocktail  glass?? It's Gin n Tonic time in the PNW!

Debbie Alexander. Great friend. "Keep it up". If I go back to my hobby of writing pornography, I will keep your kind words in mind....

All of you...if you get hurt, be extremely careful of Oxycodone. Very effective. Very evil. Out.

 

 


09/30/17 12:38 AM #1925    

 

David Mitchell

Dammit all anyway!  I knew I forgot something - it was the anthrax powder. 

(and silly me, I thought that three sided thing was something to clean your teeth with)


09/30/17 11:56 AM #1926    

 

David Mitchell

Tim,

I imagine we have all been waiting with baited breath for a progress report from Mossyrock. Are you mobile yet? Are you getting up and around? Have you finished War and Peace yet? Have you driven the Mrs. half out of her mind yet? (Or even all the way - I think she should seriously consider the "duct tape" hint with the little note on the book cover)

I was wondering if you had taken to the idea of a quilting class, or maybe needlepoint?  I heard that they are going to start a new class down at the senior center next month. I believe this one is "How to make jewelry out of raisins" -  the class fee includes a supply of raisins, needle and thread, but not band-aids. (extra rasins will be an additonal fee)

Or have you resorted to just sitting on your porch with a rifle and a powerful scope to deal with the moles.

Give us a progesss report. 

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Meanwhile Clare, how is your surgery coming along? Tennis yet?

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Finally, Could we get some update from Tom McKeon, Mike Mcleod, Frank, or whomever down Florida way? Are you back to normal?  Thank God you didn't settle in Puerto Rico.

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(p.s. Tim, I wouln't be so quick to part with the crayon set - I paid good money for those at Target.)


09/30/17 03:36 PM #1927    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Some guy from OLP wanted me to put an autumn photo on the forum so here are three of my favorites (I took 139 photos that day). The first one was actually published as the "Photo of the Day" in our city newspaper. All of these were taken 22 Sept 2017 around Guanella Pass in Colorado. The day was perfect for fall photography and the aspen trees were pretty much at peak color. By now, all these aspen trees are probably bare.

 


09/30/17 04:33 PM #1928    

 

Michael McLeod

Hey dave -

and anyone else who was waiting with bated breath...by now you probably know Florida as a whole dodged a bullet, which does not mean that there was not immense destruction - the whole peninsula, from Miami to St Augustine, got some degree of destruction, and that is unusual. This is a big state. The hurricane ambled around from south to north and west to east in a pretty unusual way.

We are in clean-up mode in Orlando. Fallen trees still down all over the place. I have an big oak that lost quite a few limbs and the pick-up crews have yet to come by. But I won't complain. Not given what Puerto Rico is going through.

 


09/30/17 04:56 PM #1929    

 

Janie Albright (Blank)

Gorgeous shots, Jim! I think I'll put the bridge on our homepage. :)


09/30/17 07:01 PM #1930    

 

David Mitchell

Donna,

Tomorrow is the big day in Catalan. Will you be going to the polls or abstaining? Do you expect violence? Looks quite volitile from news reports. 

And isn't Beth visiting about now? 


09/30/17 10:48 PM #1931    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Janie,

Thanks, feel free to use it on the home page. It was my favorite also.

Donna,

Is not Barcelona in Catalonia that wishes to separate? Soon you may not be part of Spain anymore. Latest I hear is that Spain is shutting down the ballot boxes and IT technology for voting.

Some in California would like secede from the USA ("Calexit"). I believe California was run by the Spanish a few centuries ago - "Zorro" and the Don's timeframe :).

Are you classmates living in California watching the elections in Spain?



Jim

10/01/17 11:03 AM #1932    

 

Michael McLeod

Love your photos, Jim.

 


10/01/17 12:02 PM #1933    

 

Donna Kelley (Velazquez)

Jim, beautiful photos.

Yes, Barcelona is one of the four provinces of Catalunya.  I wrote about the situation in Post 1881 but today I can give an update as the voting hours are drawing to an end in a couple of hours. The Central Govt sent more than 10,000 police and guardia civil agents to Catalunya over the past week.  It doesn't really matter what I feel or if I voted or not but I can tell you that pacific people of all ages who feel deeply that they have the right to voice their opinion have been met with brutal police force today. They are being punched, kicked and shot at with rubber bullets. Nothing good will come from this for anyone. There are more than 350 injured and the day is not over.  

https://www.facebook.com/CatalunyaDiari/videos/836520113188784/

​Yet another sad day in Barcelona.

 

​Dave, Jeanine is in Bcn until tomorrow.  Beth will arrive next Sunday


10/01/17 12:58 PM #1934    

 

David Mitchell

Donna

Thanks for the update. I'm sure we are all concerned for your safety - and Jeanine's, and Beth's.

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Jim,

I recall when we lived in Denver (70's and 80's) there was lots of talk about seccession among the counties of the "western slope". It even had a political organization called "Club 20" and stood for the resentment of the 20 counties on the western slope (western slope of the Rockies - home of the "Continental Divide"  which divides all water flowin the US to either the Pacific ocean, or the Gulf of Mexico) against the power of the "eastern slope" which included the voting blocks of Denver and Colorado Srrpings. Main issue being the control of all the (mountain runoff) water - both sopes - by the all-powerful Denver Water Board, which takes water runoff in massive amounts from the western slope to the Denver reservoirs by way of an elaborate and espensive (tax supported) system of tunnels and reservoirs.

I wonder if that talk still goes on in your neck of the woods?  

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Janie, I think putting Jim's gorgoeous bridge photo on our website is quite symbolic. Like the "bridge" that links us all together. 

(Jim, for the most magnificent fall aspen colors ever - by far - get to Telluride at the right time of year. Unlike anything you've ever seen!)


10/01/17 01:40 PM #1935    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Mike, Donna and Dave,

Thanks for your nice comments on my photographs. I totally enjoy making them and sharing them.

Donna,

I re-read your comments on Post 1881 and have been following the activities in the news. As we all do, I pray for your safety as well as Jeanine's and Beth's. It certainly is already becoming violent.

David,

The Western slope secession movement seems to have quieted down recently. Besides the water issues there were also some political ones regarding all the power residing along the Front Range cities, mainly the Denver/Boulder region. Colorado Springs is not well liked by those two although that may be changing. Pueblo has had a lot of problems since the decline of the steel mills many years ago.

In addition to Calexit I recall that a few years ago Northern California was talking about splitting from the rest of the state to become the 51st state of our Union. That was again, based on politics and maybe taxes.

There certainly appears to be rumblings about "mini-civil wars" regarding secessions going on around the world. We are living in interesting times.

10/01/17 02:35 PM #1936    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

David,

I also like your interpretation of the bridge picture as bringing us together after all these years. I would add that the stream under it could represent those years flowing along.

10/01/17 02:47 PM #1937    

 

Mary Ann Nolan (Thomas)

Jamie, I am devastated to hear about Linda Baer Schell. Do you know her address to send a card?  Has anyone talked to her or Gary?


10/01/17 09:09 PM #1938    

Timothy Lavelle

Mary Ann Nolan,  I can't find anything here other than your remark re Linda Baer. Can you tell us what you know if it is not confidential info. I carried a torch for Linda for years in HS so I feel like I am entitled to ask!!!

Go Seahawks!

Tim


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