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03/25/20 03:49 AM #7026    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Tim,

On a different note but but the same song, Ft.Carson is preparing to deploy 300 medical personnel from Evans Army Community Hospital, including many of our doctors and nurses, to the State of Washingon to assist in this battle against COVID-19. They probably won't make it to Mossyrock but you may read or hear of them in your local news sources. These are good people and I am sure they will be a welcome addition to your state's over taxed health care teams. I would assume several of them have served deployments in Afghanistan and other war zones, perhaps with the 10th CSH hospital unit. 

Jim 

UPDATE:

The deploying unit, the 627th Hospital Center (formerly called the 10th CSH), may be sent to New York instead of Washington. Wherever they are most needed. 


03/25/20 11:04 AM #7027    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Colleen (Cotter) Blumer shared this very clever and entertaining video today on Facebook! smiley




03/25/20 06:48 PM #7028    

 

Michael McLeod

Cole Porter himself would be amused.


03/25/20 08:12 PM #7029    

 

Michael McLeod

This is yet another excellent publication that has eliminated its paywall for Covid stories.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/category/what-you-need-know-coronavirus/


03/25/20 09:43 PM #7030    

 

John Jackson

Mike, yes, The Atlantic is a really great publication and not all liberal – what few conservative tendencies I have, I’ve mostly picked up from well-written Atlantic articles. A good example is David Frum’s thoughtful April 2019 cover article “How Much Immigration is Too Much?” (which MM, I think, liked):

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/

MM, sorry but this is a really technical area and I’d be a lot more impressed with your arguments if you were an epidemiologist.  On the other hand, my ears prick up when Anthony Fauci says this is worse than anything we’ve seen in our lifetimes.  If your arguments hold any water, answer me this question: In a normal flu year, do Italian (and Spanish) doctors have to triage who lives and who dies because there aren’t enough ventilators?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-hospitals.html

Interesting and scary fact as we climb up the curve:  according to OECD, the U.S. has only slightly more than half as many hospital beds per capita compared to the European Union (2.9 beds per 1000 people for us compared to the EU average of 5.6).  We also have slightly less than 2/3 the doctors per capita (2.5 doctors per 1000 people for us compared to 3.9 for the EU). This, despite the fact that 64% more of our economy is devoted to health care compared to the EU average.

I’ll bite my tongue on this issue and will be delighted to eat crow if most of the U.S. is back up and “raring to go” by Easter.


03/25/20 11:48 PM #7031    

 

Michael McLeod

Well, we could debate.

Or we could just watch this.

To see what's really happening.

To people who aren't interested in debating.

They have other things to do.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/?login=smartlock&auth=login-smartlock


03/26/20 12:19 PM #7032    

 

Kathleen Wintering (Nagy)

Glad to have Colleen posting! Welcome! Hope all is well!  Kathy Wintering 3-26-20


03/26/20 01:18 PM #7033    

 

David Mitchell

Mike,

 

The video from your earlier post is quite compelling. Hearing that young lady physician who is on the front line of battle in NYC  is gut wrenching! They are truly heroes in my mind. All the medical and health personel are deserving a huge dose of our collective gratitude.

I am also mindful of another group who desrves our gratitude - all those folks in the supply line of goods, groceries, medicines, etc. The truckers, dock loaders, and warehouse people who are keeping all that neccessary "stuff" moving. And not to forget the postal delivery people.

We all have much to be grateful for, sometimes it takes a crisis like this to remind us of the fact.

Speaking of being grateful, it just dawned on me last night that this is NOT happening during our hurricane season. Now there's a frightening thought. In fact, we are having gorgeous weather down here. We will approach 90 in the next few days but the humidity has not showed up yet.

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John

Your (long) article about immigration was fascinating. Not sure how we drifted back to that issue at this time but it was really full of so much information that it was hard to take it all in. 

I must mention a few things;

First; Ironic that they mention ETS in the educationpart of the article. Don't I recall someone we both know that used to work there? (Like your wife - didn't Carol run the company for years?)

Second; A stunning reminder about our "Border Warden-in-Chief" who relies so heavily on illegal and undocumented workers for his golf resorts (and his hotels I might add)

 

Third; This is my own take - - Isn't anybody lisening to the experts (several in our own pentagon) who have offered studies that show it would cost far less than the wall, if instead we helped countries like Honduras and Guatamala (two of the major sources of immigrants), rejuvenate their own economies? 

The questions may be asked - why? - Or how we could do such a thing?

My two responses -

A) Why?  Because, to a certain extent we owe it to them. During the early 20th century we allowed American Companies (mainly the "United Frut Co." - today's Chiquita Brands) to exploit these countries for economic gain, with virtually no behavioral controls.  They used all sorts of illegal presure, intimidation, threats, kidnapping, bribery, and even assasinations to operate at maximum profits. We sat back and allowed them to wreck the government, the police and legal systems, and their societies in general. They have never really recovered. This blood is on our hands.

B) How could we do this? I suggest taht if we could feed and rebuild Europe (twice in one century), Japan, and Korea, we could surely go a long way towards helping these countries out of the nighmare we helped create. And yes, we would proably have to include sanctions on their own corporate giants, who are rich with corruption and discriminatory practices toward their own people.   

 

 


03/26/20 01:37 PM #7034    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Mike, here is some debating material from a source you will approve. I lean heavily toward the best case scenario.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/sunday/coronavirus-outcomes.html


03/26/20 01:47 PM #7035    

 

David Mitchell

Update: As I await tomorrow's visit from the plumber, my fridge has decided, for some reason, to let it rest, and is no longer peeing all over my kitchen floor. She will no doubt probably wait until they have been here and gone before she decides to act up again.

Kinda like when you took your kids to the Doctor and suddenly they felt fine in the waiting room - or you took your car into the shop and they charged you $175 bucks to explain that they couldn't find anything wrong.

But in a desperate attempt to avoid boredom and keep the excitement level high, I just happend (in time) to discover a hatching of what looked like a colony of red ants, pouring out of a crevice in my old and rotten side-door threshold. I got to spend a half hour on my knees yesterday, shooting a whole bottle of "Bug Stop" spray into the crevice, while at the same time, violently squashing them with my fingers as they ran helter skelter in all directions. I also sprayed them as they ran, soaking the inside floor area and the porch just outside the door.

I actually had to leave at one point, run up to the grocery store and restock my "Bug Stop". I finallly soaked an old rag with Bug Stop  (one not yet placed into service for the kitchen floor issue) and stuffed it into the crevace.  I woke up this morning with a virtual graveyard of dead ants inside and outsdie of the threshold.

 

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So, as I settle back into the calm (read; boredom) of inactivity, I am enjoying a website ("AmScope") and shopping a dizzying array of hundreds of different models of children's microscopes, which I will send to homes in the lands of Portlandia and Puget Sound to do what I can to assist in the preservation of the sanity of two of my grown children, each of whom have grandchildren on the verge of bouncing off the walls with boredom. 

I hope you are all well.  


03/26/20 01:52 PM #7036    

 

Janie Albright (Blank)

For news junkies among you, here are some great sources with various perspectives that are currently offering free email newsletters on the Corona Virus :


https://www.nytimes.com/newsletters/coronavirus-briefing

https://www.wsj.com/

https://www.npr.org/newsletter/the-new-normal

https://www.vanityfair.com/


03/26/20 03:30 PM #7037    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

I felt that Dr. Birx comments yesterday at the coronavirus briefing were worth sharing.  She briefly explains that the models projecting almost 3 million U.S. deaths are models with zero controls which leads to inaccurate projections, instilling unnecessary fear.    

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4863965/user-clip-dr-deborah-birx-numbers-potentially-infected-coronavirus


03/26/20 04:21 PM #7038    

 

John Jackson

MM, I’m breaking my lengthy self-imposed silence (of 12 hours) to thank you for a really good article by Nicholas Kristof that presents lots of information and points of view from a variety of experts who know a lot about the subject. The wide range of views does show there are huge uncertainties about how this will all turn out.   Notably lacking, however, was any prediction that this would essentially be over by Easter (or that it's a good idea to encourage people to believe this).

And I’ve also read that the models predicting 3 million deaths in the U.S. are extreme and not really applicable.


03/26/20 05:11 PM #7039    

 

John Jackson

Forgive me, I promise to shut up (for a while).

 

 


03/26/20 05:51 PM #7040    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Thanks for the laugh, John.  Laughter is a great antidote to today's anxiety.  Dr. Fausci gave an interview last Friday in which he was asked, "Have you ever seen this big of a coordinated response by an administration to such a threa?  A health threat?"  His reply:

Well, we've never had a threat like this and the coordinated response has been, there are a number of adjectives to describe it. Impressive, I think is one of them.

I mean, we're talking about all-hands on-deck is that I, as one of many people on a team, I'm not the only person, since the beginning that we even recognized what this was. I have been devoting almost full time on this -- almost full time.

I'm down at the White House virtually every day with the Taskforce. I'm connected by phone throughout the day and into the night and when I say night, I'm talking twelve, one, two in the morning. I'm not the only one. There's a whole group of us that are doing that. It's every single day.

So I can't imagine that that under any circumstances that anybody could be doing more. I mean, obviously, we're fighting a formidable enemy -- this virus. This virus is a serious issue here.

Take a look at what it's done to China, to Europe, to South Korea. It is serious and our response is aimed, and I know you've heard that many, many times, and this is true. I mean, I deal with viruses my entire career.

When you have an outbreak virus, if you leave it to its own devices, it will peak up and then come back down. What we learned from China, that letting it peak up is really bad, because it can do some serious damage. So we are focused now, like a laser on doing whatever we can, and there are two or three things that deserve to be mentioned -- to make this peak actually be a mound, which means you're going to have suffering, you're going to have illness, you're going to have death. But it's not going to be the maximum that the virus can do.

A couple of ways to do that. The first was, as we say, all the time, the very timely decision on the part of the President to shut off travel from China, because we saw that there was this possibility of people coming in and seeding in the country. We did it early.

And as it turned out, there were relatively few cases in the big picture of things that came in from China. Unfortunately, for our colleagues, and many of whom are my friends and people I've trained actually in Medicine, in European countries, they didn't do that. And they got hit really hard and are being hit really hard. The first thing.

Second thing, when the infection burden shifted from China to Europe, we did the same thing with Europe. We shut off travel from Europe, which again was another safeguard to prevent influx from without in.

The other way you do it is by containment and mitigation. And now everybody knows what the word mitigation means because it's the things that we're doing. No crowds, work from home. Don't go to places that you can be susceptible. Ten people in a room, not 50 and a hundred people. Stay away from theatres.

Take the elderly people who are susceptible and have them do self- isolation. Stay out of bars, stay out of restaurants.

If you're in an area where there's a lot of coronavirus activity, close the bars, close the restaurants. That's heavy duty mitigation.

So I think with all of those things going on at the same time, I believe we will -- we're already doing it, but you just can't notice it yet because you have the dynamics of the virus going up. We're trying to put it down. You're not really sure quantitatively what you're doing, but you can be actually certain that we're having an impact on it.


03/26/20 05:55 PM #7041    

 

Michael McLeod

Yep good article MM and thanks because I missed it -- from one of the most compassionate and respected journalists of the day. 

Just a few minutes away from teaching my first-ever on-line class.

I know how to teach but nervous about the virtual part......

On the other hand this is definitely the first class I've ever taught barefoot.

 


03/26/20 09:15 PM #7042    

Mary Clare Hummer (Bauer)

I get little inspiration from pundits of any persuasion, from political promises or from presidential hunches.  

I may have mentioned a couple of times that I'm listening to the professionals, Dr. Fauci among them.  I do, however, have faith that during times of crisis most people reach out to help others rather than inward with self-serving interests. Many thanks to everyone helping in big ways and in small. 

 

https://www.today.com/video/rising-up-across-america-saluting-the-heroes-saving-lives-and-warming-hearts-81237061917    

Clare


03/26/20 11:57 PM #7043    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Good one, Clare.  Here's another video from two Mayo Clinic orthopedic resident surgeons:

https://www.facebook.com/4301598/posts/10100749136800684/?d=nP


03/27/20 12:38 PM #7044    

 

Mary Ann Nolan (Thomas)

 

I would like to ask my classmates no matter what your political persuasion to please put my nephew Patrick Nolan in your prayers. He is a surgeon affiliated with a hospital in NYC. that is sacrificing to save lives. 

 


03/27/20 12:58 PM #7045    

 

Mary Margaret Clark (Schultheis)

Pray with Pope Francis at 1 PM:

https://aleteia.org/2020/03/26/why-the-popes-blessing-on-march-27-will-be-absolutely-unique/


03/27/20 01:45 PM #7046    

 

Beth Broadhurst (Murray)

Along with the many medical professionals serving throughout the world. I would like to ask you to include my son in your prayers. He is lead critical care and intensivist doctor at the  large medical center here in Pittsburgh. He is in charge of all respirator patients to come through their doors. He and his staff dealt with  the devastating deaths of young adults during the 2009 H1N1. They  know full well the difficult and hearfelt decisions that are facing them in the coming days.                                                                                                                                                            May you all stay out of harms way

 

 


03/27/20 02:15 PM #7047    

 

Jeanine Eilers (Decker)

Thinking of you and your son, Beth.


03/27/20 02:48 PM #7048    

 

David Mitchell

Mary Ann and Beth,

Thanks for sharing your family connections with us. My only connection is second-hand, with a young female Doctor in an ER somewhere in downtown Manhattan - a dear friend of one of my daughters. She is telling my daughter what a madhouse it is.

And I imagine John Jackson, Steve Hodges, and other classmates have some family members in the medical professions, somewhere on the front lines.

* (Note: Steve has a bunch in his tribe of nieces - I think all 5 are doctors)

(also my young friend at a hospital in Ellwangen, Germany, where he says they are simply overwhelmed)

My thoughts and prayers go out to them, as well as a level of gratitude that I,,, we,,, the whole country probably have not felt since 911. 

 

NOTE: I just watched a video sent from Tom McKeon of a man describing the findings of his good friend - a doctor who heads up the Pulmonary Department at Harvard Medical. His assertion is that they are seeing strong evidence that the use of Ibuprofin (Advil) is causing a very ADVERSE effect on the virus patients, and advising that people should only take Acetaminophen (Tylenol) at this time.  

* * * I would ask you Jim, if you could corrobarate this finding? 

 

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In other news, it appears a young Congressman, Republican Thomas Massie from Kentucky has failed to quality for this years "Miss Congeneiality" competition. How sad!

I can just see my mother shaking her head and rolling her eyes now, and uttering a phrase she often used to describe anyone operating outside the norms of common sense -  "a case of arrested development". I myself would use a shorter phrase - numskull !


03/27/20 03:31 PM #7049    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Dave,

As of yet there is no convincing medical evidence that ibuprofen has specific negative effects on COVID-19 specifically. However, any seriously ill person is at higher risk of the adverse effects of ibuprofen (and other NSAIDS) for causing GI bleeding, fluid retention and possibe renal damage. Also, being anti-inflammatory, these drugs may decrease the immune response and lead to more viral shedding. Any or all of these effects would be unwanted in a COVID-19 patient. Acetaminophen would be a much better choice for treating a fever in these patients.

Jim 


03/27/20 07:23 PM #7050    

 

David Mitchell

Right after I watchd that video, I also read contradictory reports about this.I guess I am proof positive that the news can get ahead of the actual facts sometimes.  


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