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03/08/19 12:28 PM #4945    

 

Michael McLeod

Or we could talk about this, from the New Yorker......

 

 

The President of the United States has called the media “the enemy of the people” dozens of times since taking office. Donald Trump did it again on Monday night, tweeting out, while apparently watching the prime-time Fox News lineup, “The Fake News Media is the true Enemy of the People!” This attack on journalism was hardly even mentioned in the next day’s voluminous coverage of the President. An outburst two weeks ago, however, in which he declared the Times the “enemy of the people,” was widely covered, given that he was trashing the newspaper not long after its publisher made an impassioned personal plea, in the Oval Office, for Trump to abandon his use of the term, with its Stalinist connotations.

Still, it’s one of the persistent and most notable paradoxes of this President that, for someone who declares himself at war with the press, Trump is happy to engage with it on his terms. He gives regular interviews to his favorite Fox News hosts; he invited anchors from all the networks to an off-the-record lunch before his State of the Union address. He often turns Oval Office photo ops with visiting dignitaries into impromptu press availabilities. The White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, has adopted her own version of this strategy, all but abandoning the daily press briefings that have been an American tradition, under both parties, for decades. Instead, she issues an occasional written statement and makes informal comments to the media, often in response to questions shouted at her after she finishes a morning Fox News interview on the White House driveway. There are no official transcripts posted of these brief gaggles, and little meaningful follow-up.

This week in Washington, the temperature hovered near freezing as the press pack tried to ask Sanders and any other White House official who appeared outside about the collapse of Trump’s nuclear diplomacy with North Korea, the White House response to congressional investigations of the President, the state of emergency Trump has declared at the southern border, and the trade talks with China that are said to be nearing a conclusion, among other pressing issues. They were not forthcoming.

The Administration, of course, never formally announced that it was killing off the White House press briefing—that would have caused too great an outcry. But that is nonetheless what it has done, as Trump himself admitted in a January tweet, saying that “the reason Sarah Sanders does not go to the ‘podium’ much anymore is that the press covers her so rudely & inaccurately.” The last official briefing by Sanders was on January 28th; it was the first such briefing in forty-one days. All told, there was one press briefing in November, one in December, two in January, and none at all in February, or, so far, in March. This is not just a White House policy. The State Department, which used to give a near-daily press briefing that was considered significant by journalists from around the world, had six “department press briefings” briefings in November, two in December, none in January, two in February, and one so far in March.

This is not how it should work in a democracy, and there is no explanation other than a bad one for why this is happening. The Administration’s elimination of regular on-the-record press briefings is part of a broader war on truth and transparency by a President who will go down as the most publicly mendacious American leader we’ve yet had. (Trump’s epic speech at cpac over the weekend was both the longest and, according to the Washington Post Fact Checker, the most untruthful of his tenure, clocking in at more than two hours and approximately a hundred lies, misstatements, and falsehoods.)

This is not an ode to the White House press briefing—far from it. I am well aware of the critiques of it as an institution, and I agree with many of them. Long before Trump, it had become an increasingly frustrating spectacle, the domain of TV showboats and ritualized made-for-broadcast combat. But we are talking about the difference between asking questions in a flawed setting and not asking them at all. In this situation, I mourn the briefing’s untimely death. This week, amid a veritable flood of Trump news about which the Administration has not bothered to comment or been forced to answer questions, the long, annoying, contentious press briefings of old are genuinely missed.

Under previous Presidents, a weekday briefing might last an hour, with dozens of inquiries and replies, many of them factual. There is essentially none of that now, at a time when there is so very much to ask about. Consider that the President declared the country to be in a state of emergency at the southern border, back on February 15th. White House aides held a call with reporters to announce it, but they were unable to answer many questions, which have remained unaddressed. How, exactly, does Trump intend to use emergency powers to transfer money from the defense budget to pay for his proposed border wall? Which accounts will be tapped, and when? At the expense of which other projects? Where is the memorandum from his lawyers arguing that this is constitutional? By what government process, rather than the President’s personal pique at Congress, was the “emergency” determination made?

Consider the news this week alone: the North Koreans are reportedly rebuilding their missile-launch sites after Trump’s summit with Kim Jong Un collapsed. Trump’s daughter Ivanka and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, reportedly had Trump intervene to get them security clearances that would otherwise have been denied. Congressional investigators are opening wide-ranging inquiries into Trump’s business; New York State has subpoenaed Trump’s insurance company, and his former lawyer Michael Cohen, who testified against the President in a remarkable open session last week, has produced numerous checks bearing Trump’s signature that Cohen says were part of an illegal hush-money scheme to keep a porn star from going public about a past affair during the 2016 election. And, by the way, nearly three months after the Secretary of Defense quit, there’s still no sign of a permanent replacement. The White House is being run by an interim chief of staff who has had “acting” attached to his title since Trump fired his predecessor, in December. Speaking of the last chief of staff, John Kelly shared some stinging criticisms of the President on Wednesday night, in his first public appearance since being dumped. Wouldn’t it be great to hear what Sanders has to say about Kelly’s view that the President’s emergency declaration was not legally supportable?

 

 

I have questions, many of them. I’m sure you do, too. I would love for the White House press corps to be able to ask them on our behalf.

On Thursday, I asked two dozen accredited White House correspondents from America’s leading news organizations—television, radio, print, and wires—what questions they would ask Sanders this week if she had chosen to have a briefing. The responses I received from the journalists (I did not ask my husband, Peter Baker, the Times’ chief White House reporter, to participate) were smart, professional, urgent, and voluminous. “So many questions,” one network correspondent wrote. “So many more!” another wrote.

Several made a point of telling me that they were hardly idealizing the old days of the White House briefings, which were, as one prominent television correspondent put it, all too often “a reservoir of cant and pablum.” And yet, the correspondent wrote, “The absence of the daily briefing is creating a void in public awareness of and interaction with the WH. The benefit of the briefing is that it forces the WH to deal with follow-up questions. Though Trump is quite accessible, follow-ups are rare and daily interactions, though frequent, are understandably driven by the day’s most pressing news. That limits the scope of questions and allows the WH to duck plenty of issues and defend its overall approach.”

The array of subjects and controversies about which we lack even basic information shows just how much the public is losing because the White House has shut down legitimate, regular inquiries. A sampling: “What, exactly, is happening with troop withdrawals in Syria (the story has been all off the map in the past four weeks)?” “What is the WH doing about the Khashoggi case in terms of learning more or pressing the Saudis for accountability?” “When the president deflects DHS statistics on border enforcement, as he did in the Rose Garden, what statistics does he believe? Where do they come from and how can you vouch for their accuracy?”

A particularly thoughtful response came in from the Associated Press’s Washington bureau chief, Julie Pace. “I canvassed my team and we came up with about 20 right off the bat—which goes to show how many unanswered questions there are out there,” she wrote. “The White House will make the point that the President frequently takes questions from journalists, which is true. But briefings are a better format for really diving in on a topic in a different way than a quick gaggle or shouted questions to the President.”

The questions she forwarded were fair, relevant, and barely even cover the long list of stories about Trump and his Administration that should demand our attention:

  • The President railed against budget and trade deficits, but after two years in office both are setting records. Are his economic policies failing in this regard? Does he still see deficits as a priority? If so, what policies—particularly on the budget deficit—is he pursuing to bring it down? Or are deficits no longer a priority for Republicans?

  • Under what legal authority is the President keeping American troops in Syria indefinitely?

  • Why hasn’t the President selected a permanent chief of staff or Defense Secretary, and why doesn’t the uncertainty and turnover in those posts make the nation less safe?

  • Did the President play any role in the granting of Jared Kushner’s security clearance? If so, why did he appear to lie about it in his interview with the New York Times?

  • Why do the U.S. and North Korea disagree on what North Korea was requesting in Vietnam in terms of drawing back sanctions?

There are more, of course, many having to do with Cohen’s testimony last weekimplicating Trump in alleged criminal acts before and after he became President. Other important questions remain about major Administration decisions, such as the recent announcement that the new Attorney General, William Barr, will not recuse himself from dealing with the special counsel’s upcoming report on Trump and Russia. And then there are the policy questions, which tend to get short shrift amid scandal-dominated headlines, but which could and would be asked were Sanders to hold regular briefings. Ballooning trade deficits under the President who vowed to eliminate the national debt? The new White House climate-change panel? Peace talks in Afghanistan?

I asked Sanders in an e-mail for her comment on whether this is now the death of the White House press briefing, and whether she wanted to respond to any of the questions the correspondents had sent to me. She did not respond.

 

  • Susan B. Glasser is a staff writer at The New Yorker, where she writes a weekly column on life in Trump’s Washington.

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03/08/19 01:13 PM #4946    

 

David Mitchell

It's sad!


03/08/19 01:50 PM #4947    

 

David Mitchell

I just have two comments;

1) I'm still waiting on my own personal White House security pass. And I'm pissed about it!

2) I think his new tax cut was really a grand idea. Now, instead of being able to blame the liberal left on spending deficits, we Conservatives get to claim that title ourselves - weiner !  Our deficit only went up 58% in the last fiscal year !!!           (October '17 to Octover '18) 

(honestly, Republicans joined in the proverbial old "tax and spend" party years ago. Wouldn't Everett Dirksen be ticked that we took his old phrase and switched his "Billions" for our "Trillions"?)  

* I still earn at a very low bracket and even that income went down substantially last year. But my taxes just went up by about $900 !!!!  

 

 

Okay, three comments;  Is Sara Sanders for real?

 

Uhh my bad, 4 comments) "Secretary of Defense?  We don't need no stinkin Secretary of Defense ! "  From the new film "Treasure of Sierra Trumpland".  (Note: this film is not yet rated)

 

p.s.

Mike, Dang it man, you finally found a way to make your posts longer than mine - by using huge print. Is this some sort of warning sign? Some sort of secret instructions you got from Janie to gradually accomodate our failing eye sight?  Pretty sneaky. 


03/08/19 02:52 PM #4948    

 

Michael McLeod

Dave:

I was just trying to wake everybody up.


03/08/19 03:50 PM #4949    

Timothy Lavelle

Dave,

Serious question. Do you believe that evil exists outside the mind of homo sapiens? Not as an adjective but as a noun? Maybe this is simpler...would evil exist if mankind did not?


03/08/19 04:14 PM #4950    

 

John Jackson

Mike, thanks for the New Yorker article – it brings to mind the Washington Post’s motto “Democracy Dies in Darkness.”   We’ve never had an administration, Republican or Democratic, that was even as close to opaque as this one.  And when they do provide information, they lie whenever it suits their purpose and they invariably have to walk the lie back when the press exposes them (which of course is why they view the press as “the enemy of the people”).

In a lighter vein, as the 2020 election season heats up (a year and a half before the conventions) here’s some political news you all need to see - and, no, it’s not partisan.  I have some reservations about referring you to The Onion which at times has articles in breathtakingly poor taste, but this is in the “so incredibly stupid it’s funny” category.

https://politics.theonion.com/bored-iowa-town-trying-to-convince-kirsten-gillibrand-i-1833159244

Building on an earlier post, like the New York Times and Washington Post, you can sign up for The Onion’s daily email news summary.


03/08/19 05:01 PM #4951    

 

Michael McLeod

Thanks John that is a good read throughout. And I try to keep up with the news as much as I can but I did NOT know that Jared Kushner had been made a four-star general. 


03/09/19 12:00 AM #4952    

 

Jeanine Eilers (Decker)

Tim—Great question...and worthy of much thought.  Let me know what you find as you meander down that path.


03/09/19 12:01 AM #4953    

 

Jeanine Eilers (Decker)

Tim—and greetings from Sydney.


03/09/19 12:17 AM #4954    

 

David Mitchell

Tim,

Great question!  I don't have a very good answer for you - honestly. But as one who believes in Creation, I'd say yes. I'm one of those crazy fools who believes in the "great deceiver" and the fall of man. But I often get into trouble when I ask, "Who was the other first couple ?  I mean llke, if Adam and Eve only had three sons. Where did the rest of the human race come from? Someboay else must have had at least one daughter. Or am I missing something here?"  Probably not the most endearing question to ask a bunch of evangelical (especially literalist) friends.

Oh, and you should be in the room when I say I believe in evolution - oh boy!  You talk about fun? 

(BTW - I get in all kinds of trouble with my "literalist" friends when I tell them I beleive in the "Big Bang" theory. But then I always add that I think it was the cleverest thing God ever thought up. I just saw on USA Today a few months back that a lot of scientists are now coming to the conclusion that there had to be some prior force or action to get those gasses to come together at just the right temperature and in just the right location, at just that moment in time. And to that I add my own queston - did "time" exist prior to that moment  -  Hmmmm?)

 

LONG ANSWER:

But if I could have been more conscise (damn near impossible for me) in that earlier (long-winded) post, what I was trying to say is that I beleive we are capable of real evil (sin) - (free choice), but so much of organized religion dwells on trivializing stuff that is really not sin, or even evil. And our reaction is often to see right through the silliness of it and react by rejecting anything and everything to do with a religious faith - and with it, even basic morality. (the pendulum effect - as in Mike's article). Sort of like throwing out the baby with the bath water. 

A good example would be my three grown kids. All far away from any religion. And they are not stupid. 

For example, is is really a sin to miss a Holy Day of Obligation, to kneel or genuflect the "wrong way", or to forget the "proper wording" to begin making a confession? I have nieces and nephews that are in a "Christian" denomination that says its a sin to dance close with the opposite sex. So their church forbids having dances (even at their own wedding) - it's a "sin". Remember, for hundreds of years "Rome" had convinced the great unwashed of Western Europe that if they didn't pay up, their deceased relaltives would be stuck in Purgatory forever.  Ridiculous - even in 1950's Our Lady of Peace !

(isn't it actually a real sin to threaten the "faithful" with such outrageous nonsense ?)

We see people running as fast as they can to get away form these churches - and who wouldn't for cryin' out loud?  Ever known a "religion" like that?  

(An Anglican bishop friend of mine calls it "Faith without Grace" -  translated, Religion without Love)

But I do think it is sinful (evil) to lie and cheat, and to be unfaithful, and to tell lies about others, to be mean to others, cruel to children, to take advantge of one another - basically, to harm one another. That to me, is the real stuff. But so much of organized religion dwells more on their rules, their authority, their control over their flock - and on ritual, tradition, and ceremony, instead of the real message of love, faithfulness, honesty, loyalty, charity, and the most powerful form of love - forgiveness.  (Oooh, that's a tough one for me! )

But I still think calling a spade a spade is a healthy thing, so long as we are focusing on real stuff. And I don't think guilt is bad either. I may dislike it, but it serves a purpose - a bit like fear serves a purpose (even though I don't like it either). What I do object to is heaping Shame on top of it. And that chases "seekers" to the exits like a fire drill !

 

Side note: I read somewhere years ago where the research on "religious cult" attrraction was thought to be strongest for two groups - those who grew up with religion forced down their throats, and those who grew up with absolutley no religious training at all.


03/09/19 12:33 AM #4955    

 

David Mitchell

Crap!

After spending all that time thinking and writing,  (I have to do these tasks seperately at my age, or I overheat), I just saw Jeanine's posts and I thought, oh hell, I could have just waited and then punched in "what she said" and been done with it. 

I think it's entirely unsportsmanlike of you Tim, to bait me like that and then let Jeanine slide her response in before me. 

-------------------------

And Jeanine, say hello to the King's Cross Bar for me - if it'still there.

And pour yourselves a "Fostas" (Fosters) for me. Been 49 years since I fell in love in that town - and almost went back for her. Met her first night of R&R at a USO "pig party". Cute little Sydney red head girl named Kate Doyle. Sweet memories!

 

U 2 do git 'round, don'chu?


03/09/19 04:06 AM #4956    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Folks,

Wow, evil, evolution, creation, big bang... this is heavy and fascinating stuff!

Many posts ago I brought up the question of whether other genuses of Homo (H. erectus, H. neanderthalensis) had souls. To answer Tim's question, I think perhaps that a soul is necessary for man to be evil (any theologians out there please weigh in on this as it is out of my knowledge area of comfort).

As for evolution and God, I believe the two go hand in hand.

My question now, however, is H. sapiens the end of our evolutionary journey? Are we still evolving? I would like your thoughts on this before I give you mine, which comes from a more medical perspective than religous or philosophical one.

Jim

03/09/19 08:50 AM #4957    

 

David Mitchell

How about we hear Mike and Tim's thoughts since they posed the questions.

 

And Mike,

 

Do you think this 

 

 

print will be large

 

enough to

 

"wake everybody

 

up"?


03/09/19 09:00 AM #4958    

 

David Mitchell

I think the discusiion should begin with a disclaimer that however roudy it gets, we all get to blame Mike for it - cause he started it.


03/09/19 09:01 AM #4959    

 

Michael McLeod

Just a fascinating thing to wonder about Jim. The evolution we need to concern ourselves with as a species is ethical: can we overcome our primate instincts and live in peace with others who are not like us? To do that we'll have to get much better at survival and resource management. I think socialism is the key. Actually I only said that to jerk your chain. The question is will science intervene with evolution -- and some of that as you know is already possible. How far will we take it? How well will we steward the earth to give us the time to come up with biological hacks to extend our lives and redesign our physical selves? I'd say mother nature has given us a great start but she has done her part and from here on out evolution is up to us. Assuming that a meteor strike doesn't clear the table and make way for another species to give it a go 


03/09/19 09:39 AM #4960    

 

David Mitchell

Evolution?

Did anybody read "Guns, Germs, and Steele" by Jared Diamond? (about 1999)

Fascinting chronicle of mankind's development over time. Contrasting the differences in our develoment based mainly on location (connected to, or isolated from one another), climate (crop growth), local plants and wildlife (nutrition), and technological knowhow (tools and weapons). It gets a bit tedious at times but the overall summation is fascinating. 

Who had better access to whatever? Who had local plantlife for better nutrition? What weather was more beneficial to survival and crop raising?  Who came up with technology - bronze, iron, then steele - for farming tools, weaponry, medicine, etc.? Who was more isolated than others?

If I recall correctly, he references different cultures from the Tigris and Euphrates, the Central Americans, China, Africa, Pacific Islanders, Indonesia,  Europeans and several others. Pretty darned interesting! I have to say that the biggest takeaways for me were the parts about diet & nutrition, transportation, and weapon technology.

Having said all that, I seem to recall the book only goes back to our more traceable history - maybe about 14,000 years, and I think the concept of human evolution as we are speaking of, goes well before that.

Someone might fill in where my limited knowledge falls short on this. (How about it John?)

 


03/09/19 10:00 AM #4961    

 

John Jackson

Dave,  as someone who looks to The Onion for guidance on living righteously, this discussion is way above my pay grade....


03/09/19 10:24 AM #4962    

Timothy Lavelle

You guys are like herding cats. I asked Dave if evil existed on it's own without mankind. Nothing about Bangs, big or small. No evolution. Just do you, in the quietness of your private thought, believe that evil exists as a seperate force or being. Adjective or noun.

Dave said he believed in the Great Deceiver, I think...I wish we could still see the other messages as we write these replies...but like those other messages, some things do exist whether I can see them or not. Polio, cancer, dutch elm disease are there, without a single care as to what I think. But not Evil...not an outside of man force. I don't believe in a devil or anything remotely like that. I do believe that men and women can do such wonderful things that it becomes easier to believe in angels. Counter to that, such horrendous things that it seems proper to believe in devils or "evil incarnate" like the movies say. I don't know how Hitler or Bundy could do what they did but I do believe what we call evil is the result of desperation sometimes, or otherwise, a mental disease or some lack of mental capability to act within acceptable norms.

So, put me down for evil as an adjective.  Now please return to your evolutionary Banging. 

Eilers...you're killin' me. Party on girl! 

 

 

 

 


03/09/19 11:09 AM #4963    

 

Michael McLeod

Ok Tim: I think suffering would exist without us.

Evil would not.

Cats, for example, since you brought them up, would feel pain and hunger, as would all living creatures. But their suffering would be neither bad nor good because they would have no knowledge of bad nor good and there would be no entity around to label it as such.

We invented the concept of evil and good. That is, to me, is what the person who came up with that Adam and Eve myth was trying to get at. Had Adam and Eve not been in the picture the talking snake would have been just a talking snake only with nobody to talk to or tempt. And the apple would have just been an apple. Not a bad apple or a good apple, whether ripe or rotten it would just be doing what apples do when nobody's around to judge them. And the tree would have just been a tree. 

 

 


03/09/19 12:01 PM #4964    

 

John Maxwell

Tim, Jim, Dave, et.al.
Took you guys long enough. Evolution! Great topic. Think hard about AI. Once the questions are resolved, our species will synthesize. We'll be better protected in more hostile environs. We also be faster stronger more precise and easier to heal. As we discover more about our universe and its laws, it will make the most sense to minimize our organic nature. May the force be elictric.

Janine, Don't go to Kings Cross, it's dangerous for tourists. Drugs violence, disease, the underbelly of Sydney. It's a tourist trap. Enjoy. Go to Bondi Beach and have a hamburger 'with the lot'. I had mine with cheese, pineapple, ham, bacon, fried egg tomato, lettuce onion, pickle catsup, mustard and a bun barely big enough to contain the mess. Enjoy.

Hey everyone, spring is niegh!

03/09/19 01:53 PM #4965    

Timothy Lavelle

Dave,

I am using you as just one example of someone who is a believer. In this one act play, you are the character Sister Mary Elephant.

Act one, scene one: Home room, sophomore year, Saint I Can't Believe it's not Butter High School. Little timmy runs into a full classroom. Little timmy is just a real prick. 

Little timmy: "Sister Mary Elephant, Sister Mary Elephant, Michael McLeod doesn't believe in the devil. Isn't he going straight to hell Sister? Huh, isn't he?"

Sister Mary Elephant (sounding a lot like Dave): "..."

You fill in the blank. 

 


03/09/19 02:59 PM #4966    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Folks,

O.K., here are my ideas on whether we are evolving as a species, not intellectually or in any other way. I think it should be said that all forms of life that exist today on earth are currently at the top of their evolutionary trees. That is not to say that they will not continue to evolve more.

First, let's look at evolution of our earthly non-human flora and fauna.

I believe that plants and other animals are in a continuous process of evolution, have been and always will be as long as our planet exists. Since evolution is a very slow process over millions of years we will not be able to recognize what is happening. The one exception to that rule may be microscopic life. Evolution takes place on a genetic/DNA level. Since human generations are about 20 years apart and macro-animal and plant generations are many days, weeks, months and years apart, again, we will have a difficult time in seeing evolution occur. (If you are a Star Trek fan, Tribbles may be another exceptionlaugh.) However, the generation time for bacteria is around 20 minutes so in one day there are 72 generations from one single bacterium produced. That means after the first division which yields two bacteria by the end of that 72 hour period there are 2 to the 71st power plus one (the original) bacteria. That is probably billions if not quintillions of organisms. Therefore the chances of some gene shifts somewhere along the line - which can then be passed on to future generations - is quite high. It is no wonder that many bacteria become resistant to some antibiotics over what is really a short period of time. They develop, and pass on, a gene that makes them so. How long do you think it would take man to spontaneously develop and pass on a gene to significantly change something like becoming immune to a certain type of cancer?

That brings us into the realm of medicine. The theory of Darwinian evolution is based on "survival of the fittest". An animal or plant that can develop genes over a prolonged period of time that will allow that organism to resist a disease, adapt to a changing climate, food source or some other factor will be able to compete and survive better than those that do not have that genetic ability. Man has interfered with that by adapting in non-genetic ways: treating disease, producing his own food, clothing and shelter etc.Therefore, "weaker" members of the human species can survive and, in many cases, reproduce. Since some genes that occur predispose the organism to develop bad things (cancer and many other conditions) those genes can also be passed on. So medicine has - and will continue to - interfere with the evolutionary process. I see this as a good thing. Now medicine has to deal with the spread of some of these bad genes that have proliferated over a relatively short period of evolutionary time.

Thus we are now into a world where medicine is trying to alter genes, edit genes using phages to carry new and reparative genes to the DNA structure through messenger RNA (mRNA) methods. Of course, with those scientific advances will come many ethical issues and we may be on the verge of not only healing people but creating new problems and diseases. This reminds me of the Zager and Evans song back in the '60's, "In the Year 2525" and the line "you'll pick your sons, pick your daughters too, from the bottom of a long glass tube".

Granted, man has been genetically modifying plants and animals for many years in order to develop food sources (thus interfering with some of those species' evolution), but we are now turning our sights on ourselves. This can be both exciting and dangerous and, as stated above, create a lot of ethical concerns. This is that "brave new world" of which we have been hearing for decades. It is now here. Evolution as we once knew it for our species will be altered forever.

But then, the world may only have twelve years remaining, anyway...!!!surprise

Jim

 

 


03/09/19 05:36 PM #4967    

 

David Mitchell

Wow, I go to work for a few hours and you guys have a field day without me! We must have caught everybody at home today.

 

First of all John, I do love the Onion, but I could not get the General Kushner article to open. I did enjoy the one about Colorado Governor Hickenlooper proposing to Nuke Australia - just to see if anybody was listening. (my son used to work for him when he owned the Wynkoop Brewerey - before he became Mayor and then Governor. He used to take the employees to Avalance hockey games and Rockies baseball games) And the one about  "What's in the Green New Deal?" That must be a fun place to work - just sitting around all day dreaming up the most ridiculous ideas that come to mind.

 

Tim, (and Mike and Jack) - now this is gettin' fun!

My apologies for straying off Tim's topic "Evil". (I got all excited when I heard my name called)

I am forced to ask myself the question, how is there "good" without "evil"?  It seems to me that they are intrinsically linked by nature itself. They are related - opposed - contradictory to one another - sort of like Yin and Yang. Can there be one without the other? How can anything be good if there is nothing to (corrrection) reference good against? It's not like one just came into being at a time in history because we invented it. Like mathematics - the concept of 2 plus 2 equaling 4 was always in nature. And likewise, the fact that it is not  5.  We didn't invent that - we gradually came to realize that it has always been so in nature, no matter what language you frame the argument in. What is "old" without reference to "new"? What is "happy" without "sad"?  How can there be "absence" without "presence"? What is "light" without "darkness"? 

If we claim that there is good in life, what is good anyway?   (adjective or noun - does it matter?)

* As to the Sister Mary Elephant line, my own answer would be that I surely could not be the judge of someone else. I have no idea what Sister Maty Elephant would say. 

 


03/09/19 05:51 PM #4968    

 

David Mitchell

P.s. Jim,

I'm sorry. My eyes started glazing over. Could you repeat that? 


03/09/19 08:27 PM #4969    

 

James Hamilton, M. D.

Dave,

The Cliff Notes edition for you:

Evolution is evolving with or without human involvement.

Jim

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